Kashmir Mess : Who is responsible ???

[Burhan Wani]

[QUOTE="Zibago, post: 803


The guy you are talking to is a poonchi

Nice .
I am from Mehnder[/QUOTE]
I never heard about this place.

 

[MilSpec]

So Who is responsible for this mess ???

This guy> @WebMaster

 

[Zibago]

Wrong. Pakistan never attacked Kashmir. It was a rebellion started by their thirst of their religioness. I mean Kashmir was peacefull till that time.
And suddenly the Maharaja went violent? Can anyone buy this story. Just like Raja Dahir was a tyrant, they needed to defame the King to benefit their lies.
The story: Its soldiers rebelled for joining Pakistan. Dogras retaliated and stopped trusting Muslims. Pakistani tribalsmen joined the fight. Pakistani forces under a British General refused to join the war.
So King signs the treaty with India. And Indian Army was successfull in throwing out the Barbarians who were near Sri Nagar. According to one historian I read, they could have taken Srinagar had they not stopped the night before to loot and plunder.

And the biggest blunder: Nehru went to UN to bolster his own credentials as peaceful as Gandhi.

Kashmir was never peaceful there were sporadic rebellions in what is now Azad Kashmir after dogra occupied them its just that the final rebellion was too much for the dogras to handle and in many instances their own muslim soldiers joined the opposition

Nice .
I am from Mehnder

I never heard about this place.[/QUOTE]
I think. Its near rawalakot

 

[Burhan Wani]

Kashmir was never peaceful there were sporadic rebellions in what is now Azad Kashmir after dogra occupied them its just that the final rebellion was too much for the dogras to handle and in many instances their own muslim soldiers joined the opposition


I never heard about this place.

I think. Its near rawalakot[/QUOTE]
I see.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Kashmir was never peaceful there were sporadic rebellions in what is now Azad Kashmir after dogra occupied them its just that the final rebellion was too much for the dogras to handle and in many instances their own muslim soldiers joined the opposition


I never heard about this place.

I think. Its near rawalakot[/QUOTE]

Occupied? Wasnt Kashmir given to the Maharaja by the British after the defeat of the Sikhs?

 

[Zibago]

I think. Its near rawalakot

Occupied? Wasnt Kashmir given to the Maharaja by the British after the defeat of the Sikhs?[/QUOTE]
The state of Kashmir was an unnatural state with different regions with different demographics and history the valley was just one part of Kashmir

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Occupied? Wasnt Kashmir given to the Maharaja by the British after the defeat of the Sikhs?

The state of Kashmir was an unnatural state with different regions with different demographics and history the valley was just one part of Kashmir[/QUOTE]

So u mean to say people in AJK are not exactly Kashmir origin?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

At partition , India had more than 550 princely states . They were given option of Joining India , Pakistan or stay independent . As the thread is limited to Kashmir . Lets focus on it .

Kashmir decided to stay independent . Indian and Pakistan acknowledged that .
Kashmir signed an agreement with Pakistan , according to which Pakistan will keep its forces away from the border and a path was open by Pakistan for easy Postal services .

After few months , Pakistan betrayed Independent Kashmir and attacked Kashmiri territories .
As Kashmir was loosing its Independence , its King signed agreement with India , Joined India and gave his citizens special rights before joining India .

Since then , Kashmir has become a dispute between India and Pakistan .
Those who call themselves Azad Kashmiris are actually the people who are occupied illegally .

So Who is responsible for this mess ???

@SarthakGanguly , Enlighten me more on this ???

@vayuputhra @dadeechi @ranjeet @HariPrasad @nair

Battered this many times before... I will let this rest...

The area's population, full of recently demobolised soldiers from the Second World War, rebelled against the Maharaja's forces and gained control of almost the entire district. Following this victory, the pro-Pakistan chieftains of the western Jammu districts of Muzaffarabad, Poonch and Mirpur proclaimed a provisional Azad Jammu and Kahmir government in Rawalpindi on 3 October, 1947.

There is no 'your' and 'our' version. This is a fact.

Outside intervention was(still is) illegal. Perhaps next time there are rebellions in your provinces, India should declare Provisional Govts for those places.

The bottomline is this - Pakistan had enough power to wrest control of some districts and India was too cowardly to claim them ALL back. Rest is all tu tu main main - and giving excuses... on both sides.

make it an international border and be done with it.

The most practical solution.

 

[CorporateAffairs]

Kashmire mess, who is responsible for this mess ???

Moron called Nehru.

 

[Zibago]

Battered this many times before... I will let this rest...


There is no 'your' and 'our' version. This is a fact.

Outside intervention was(still is) illegal. Perhaps next time there are rebellions in your provinces, India should declare Provisional Govts for those places.

The bottomline is this - Pakistan had enough power to wrest control of some districts and India was too cowardly to claim them ALL back. Rest is all tu tu main main - and giving excuses... on both sides.


The most practical solution.

Some Indians here claim that people in Kashmir never rebelled against Dogras at all and he was some sort of secular angel(the massacre in Jammu tells a different tale though entire villages near loc were populated with refugees fleeing that massacre)

Mukti was exactly that so was intervention in Junagarh

 

[NIA]

This guy> @WebMaster

What he has to do with this topic?

 

[ebrahym]

At partition , India had more than 550 princely states . They were given option of Joining India , Pakistan or stay independent . As the thread is limited to Kashmir . Lets focus on it .

Kashmir decided to stay independent . Indian and Pakistan acknowledged that .
Kashmir signed an agreement with Pakistan , according to which Pakistan will keep its forces away from the border and a path was open by Pakistan for easy Postal services .

After few months , Pakistan betrayed Independent Kashmir and attacked Kashmiri territories .
As Kashmir was loosing its Independence , its King signed agreement with India , Joined India and gave his citizens special rights before joining India .

Since then , Kashmir has become a dispute between India and Pakistan .
Those who call themselves Azad Kashmiris are actually the people who are occupied illegally .

So Who is responsible for this mess ???

@SarthakGanguly , Enlighten me more on this ???

@vayuputhra @dadeechi @ranjeet @HariPrasad @nair

sir with utmost respect and appeal to your tolerant nature may i say that pakistan retaliated after india invaded kashmir you can consult wikipaedia and all other sites and forums and will find that this topic is debateable and jumping to conclusion all of sudden will only make more confusions dont get hyped up and sarcastic because i hate aggressive comments and plz do argue in respectfull manner and as you must have known raja was not representor of them as rebellion against him started long ago if rajas were representor of their states than junagadh , manavadar, mangrol and hyderabad must be annexed into Pakistan .... and we all know that cannot happen ....also read the documents later leaked from cyril Radcliffe

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Some Indians here claim that people in Kashmir never rebelled against Dogras at all and he was some sort of secular angel(the massacre in Jammu tells a different tale though entire villages near loc were populated with refugees fleeing that massacre)

Mukti was exactly that so was intervention in Junagarh

The Dogra kings were as worthless and corrupt as the Muslim kings before.

Worse, they did not convert the Muslims into Hindus or Sikhs when they had the chance. The Muslim kings of Kashmir at least forced Islam down on people's throats. After the war, the Muslim ex Dogra Army folks saw a chance of Hindu-free Kashmir after the existence of Pakistan (and also because they had nothing better to do)

The only difference in this Islamist insurrection was that in most of Kashmir they failed. The areas in the North for example did not see a single non Muslim return alive.* The entire Indian garrison and the on Muslim folks of (even) Skardu perished.

The massacres of Muslims in Jammu was nothing unusual either. Unlike docile Kashmiri Hindus (and Muslims), exiled Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs (or what remained of them) had enough thirst for vengeance. They decided to do what they thought was necessary for their survival and continued peace. In retrospect, they secured their future. While the Valley remains tense, Jammu itself is almost entirely peaceful today.

I will blurt out the blunt and gory details. Some will suit you. Some won't.

Mukti Bahini was India perfecting Pakistan's idea of using lashkars in our territory. We should expand that program again. Perhaps we are doing it now.

* I am not crying victim here. The Muslim rebels did what they thought they had to do. They did when they overpowered the forces against them. It was a war. That continues to this day. In the end only one side will remain. Unlike the Kashmiri Hindus, the rest of the Indian non Muslims have enough fight left in them.

The state of Kashmir was an unnatural state with different regions with different demographics and history the valley was just one part of Kashmir

LOL.

So if (or rather when) some part of some place becomes Muslim majority, it will belong to the Ummah and any Islamic independence movement will become legitimate.

 

[Pulsar]

So Who is responsible for this mess ???

Chacha NEHRU obviously!! I thought you knew? This man has done more harm to Indian interests than Sonia Gandhi, her son Rahul Gandhi and the present day Congress all combined!

He screwed up our relations with China by his silly 'forward policy' and wanted the Indian Army to be disbanded as he thought that a police force would be equally competent to defend the country!!

Then he screwed up relatons with Pakistan turning a blind eye to the advice given to him by Patel and others not to take the issue to the UN. The results are there for all to see.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

he thought that a police force would be equally competent to defend the country!!

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