Kashmir Mess : Who is responsible ???

[Kashmiri Pandit]

He wasnt even from Kashmir he was from himanchal pradesh

Which ruler has been a native to any Empire ???

 

[Burhan Wani]

J and K was a princely state . Bought by fore fathers of King ( not sure who that guy was ) from British .
Poonch and GB are considered parts of J and K .
He was the King of J and K .

Dear i know J&K was a princely state. But the arguement is Poonch and GB were invaded by Dogra ruler with support of Maharaja Ranjit singh and they integrated these states in J&K. So conclusion is princely state J&K wants to remain independent and others states which was illegly invaded by Maharaja of Kashmir wanted independence from kingdom.

 

[Zibago]

Phoji bhais from angreji army sent their families to punjab and phir dama dam mast qalandar hoya

 

[Burhan Wani]

He wasnt even from Kashmir he was from himanchal pradesh

Kicked and oppresed Bania you mean. I see.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Well thats your version our version is different
In the spring of 1947, an uprising against the Maharaja had broken out in Poonch, an area bordering the Rawalpindi division of the West Punjab. Maharaja's administration is said to have started levying punitive taxes on the peasantry which provoked a local revolt and the administration resorted to brutal suppression. The area's population, full of recently demobolised soldiers from the Second World War, rebelled against the Maharaja's forces and gained control of almost the entire district. Following this victory, the pro-Pakistan chieftains of the western Jammu districts of Muzaffarabad, Poonch and Mirpur proclaimed a provisional Azad Jammu and Kahmir government in Rawalpindi on 3 October, 1947.

Ok , I will take it on face value and accept it as truth .
But It doesn't mean Whole state of J and K belongs to Pakistan . Ok with Azad Kashmir and GB as their occupation happened just before J and K became a part of India .

Dear i know J&K was a princely state. But the arguement is Poonch and GB were invaded by Dogra ruler with support of Maharaja Ranjit singh and they integrated these states in J&K. So conclusion is princely state J&K wants to remain independent and others states which was illegly invaded by Maharaja of Kashmir wanted independence from kingdom.

Did this invasion took place after 14-15 Aug 1947 or before that ???

 

[Swastika]

Pakistan attacked an Independent Kashmir . During that Time , India was not even in the picture .

now according to a Somali, you are invader of your own state

Pakistan attacked an Independent Kashmir . During that Time , India was not even in the picture .

now according to a Somali, you are invader of your own state

 

[Burhan Wani]

Did this invasion took place after 14-15 Aug 1947 or before that ???

Princely state Poonch was invaded in year 1819 by Maharaj Ranjit from Mughals.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Princely state Poonch was invaded in year 1819 by Maharaj Ranjit from Mughals.

What are we accepting from Rulers from the Age of Empire .
Invading another Kingdom is their right

 

[Zibago]

now according to a Somali, you are invader of your own state


now according to a Somali, you are invader of your own state

Hey if Indians can call pahari speakers settlers from Punjab so whats the harm in Somali saying the same

What are we accepting from Rulers from the Age of Empire .
Invading another Kingdom is their right

He was an oppressive leader his subjects rebelled against him thats how it started

 

[Burhan Wani]

What are we accepting from Rulers from the Age of Empire .
Invading another Kingdom is their right

So there is nothing like Azad Kashmir stuff.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

So there is nothing like *** stuff.

This is what I have heard ,

When Partition happened , West-East Pakistan and India were created .
This partitioned Pakistan neither had Balochistan nor J and K .
One of the Kings of Baloch was against joining Pakistan and the King of J and K decided to stay independent .

Any Truth ???

Hey if Indians can call pahari speakers settlers from Punjab so whats the harm in Somali saying the same


He was an oppressive leader his subjects rebelled against him thats how it started

Isn't it disheartening !!! Kashmiris , be it Hindus , Muslims or Buddhists . We have always been oppressed , sometimes by others and sometimes by our own people

 

[Burhan Wani]

This is what I have heard ,

When Partition happened , West-East Pakistan and India were created .
This partitioned Pakistan neither had Balochistan nor J and K .
One of the Kings of Baloch was against joining Pakistan and the King of J and K decided to stay independent .

Any Truth ???

Ruler of J&K decided to stay independent but residents of poonch who were fighting for independence since 1819 created a mess.
80,000 muslims of poonch were joined British army and were veteran of World war 1 and 2. Most of them were highly decorated and were awarded Victoria crosses, OBE and IOBM medals for their extraordinary valour and bravery.
These brave men were against Maharaj of Kashmir and they started rebellion against him in year 1947, cause independence of Azad KAshmir and GB.

Dogra Army Strong Hold,Hindu Temple, Hussain Khan Forces (3 AKRF Regiment), Battle of Rawalakot 1947

 

[dadeechi]

At partition , India had more than 550 princely states . They were given option of Joining India , Pakistan or stay independent . As the thread is limited to Kashmir . Lets focus on it .

Kashmir decided to stay independent . Indian and Pakistan acknowledged that .
Kashmir signed an agreement with Pakistan , according to which Pakistan will keep its forces away from the border and a path was open by Pakistan for easy Postal services .

After few months , Pakistan betrayed Independent Kashmir and attacked Kashmiri territories .
As Kashmir was loosing its Independence , its King signed agreement with India , Joined India and gave his citizens special rights before joining India .

Since then , Kashmir has become a dispute between India and Pakistan .
Those who call themselves Azad Kashmiris are actually the people who are occupied illegally .

So Who is responsible for this mess ???

@SarthakGanguly , Enlighten me more on this ???

@vayuputhra @dadeechi @ranjeet @HariPrasad @nair

Well thats your version our version is different
In the spring of 1947, an uprising against the Maharaja had broken out in Poonch, an area bordering the Rawalpindi division of the West Punjab. Maharaja's administration is said to have started levying punitive taxes on the peasantry which provoked a local revolt and the administration resorted to brutal suppression. The area's population, full of recently demobolised soldiers from the Second World War, rebelled against the Maharaja's forces and gained control of almost the entire district. Following this victory, the pro-Pakistan chieftains of the western Jammu districts of Muzaffarabad, Poonch and Mirpur proclaimed a provisional Azad Jammu and Kahmir government in Rawalpindi on 3 October, 1947.

Ok Whole Jammu and KAshmir. What about the status of other states specifically Poonch and Gilgit Baltistan which were illegally occuped by Maharaja of Kashmir.?

There no point in fighting on history. It's time to look forward.

As I said in another thread

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/help-us-understand-the-the-pakistani-brain.415590/#ixzz3vjS1WK8p

Modi and Sharif had a good meeting. The solution has already been agreed upon by all the parties including Pakistan military and Hurriyat. Under the proposed plan

1) GB/NA to merge with Pakistan
2) Ladakh & Jammu to merge with India
3) AJK & Kashmir valley would be merged as autonomous region under joint control of India and Pakistan with regards to Foreign policy. Kashmir Autonomous region (KAR) would be a demilitarized zone. Currency would not be an issue as SAARC is going to adopt a common currency.

This was already agreed upon as part of the back channel talks. The problem is now to lower the tempers in both countries and implement it.

Jammu & Kashmir will bring back separate flag, president, prime minister as per High Court orders: MLA Engineer Rashid | Latest News & Gossip on Popular Trends at India.com

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/help-us-understand-the-the-pakistani-brain.415590/#ixzz3vjS9UY1O

 

[Zibago]

This is what I have heard ,

When Partition happened , West-East Pakistan and India were created .
This partitioned Pakistan neither had Balochistan nor J and K .
One of the Kings of Baloch was against joining Pakistan and the King of J and K decided to stay independent .

Any Truth ???



Isn't it disheartening !!! Kashmiris , be it Hindus , Muslims or Buddhists . We have always been oppressed , sometimes by others and sometimes by our own people

Many had to migrate outside their native lands too during the great famine
Kashmir famine | A123LAD

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Ruler of J&K decided to stay independent but residents of poonch who were fighting for independence since 1819 created a mess.
80,000 muslims of poonch were joined British army and were veteran of World war 1 and 2. Most of them were highly decorated and were awarded Victoria crosses, OBE and IOBM medals for their extraordinary valour and bravery.
These brave men were against Maharaj of Kashmir and they started rebellion against him in year 1947, cause independence of Azad KAshmir and GB.

Dogra Army Strong Hold,Hindu Temple, Hussain Khan Forces (3 AKRF Regiment), Battle of Rawalakot 1947

So was every other citizen , who didn't like the rule of the ruler .
People of India were fighting for their Independence from British .

U Know what , Divide and rule policy of British did work .