kashmir is unfinished agenda of Partition #COAS

[Dragon4]

and who took the majority vote? The PDP which calls for self-rule, self-autonomy and which has on many occasions dis-obeyed the BJP "coalition" by releasing many of these very same flag waving "separatists" as you call them



you have absolutely no idea what you're yapping about.

and then again caged them. Stay out of India politics, you wouldnt know lol.

If i dont have any idea, please gimme some names of Azad Kashmiris representing their land in assembly or Parliament.

There is a Kashmir Legislative Assembly, and a Ministry of Kashmir Affairs which work together in tandem. Azad J&K has its own Parliament and Supreme Court. There is no anti-Pakistan movement in AJK and there sure as hell arent any indian flags in sight - even for those who are low on toilet paper supplies

So nothing related to Pakistan Parliament, alienated from the country

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

and then again caged them. Stay out of India politics, you wouldnt know lol.

you had a lot to "lol" about on both sides of the LoC on August 14 2015

and then again caged them. Stay out of India politics, you wouldnt know lol.

whole of occupied Kashmir is a cage, in the literal and symbolic sense. That's why they hate you and will never accept you.

So nothing related to Pakistan Parliament, alienated from the country

Perfectly in line with our principled stance on Kashmir - that it is a disputed territory.

As for being "alienated" from Pakistan, well here's a few things to keep your unemployed brain entertained for a short bit

The pattern of the state, in Azad Jammu and Kashmir is almost the same, prevailing in Pakistan with the exception that there exists in Azad Jammu and Kashmir council with Prime Minister of Pakistan as its Chairman, 6 elected members, 3 ex-officio members, and 5 members nominated from the members of Pakistan National Assembly. Azad Kashmir has a Constitution, an elected unicameral assembly, a prime minister, and a president who is elected by the assembly. Both the president and legislators serve five-year terms. Of the 49 assembly seats, 41 are filled through direct elections, and eight are reserved seats (five for women and one each for representatives of overseas Kashmiris, technocrats, and religious leaders).”

The Azad Jammu and Kashmir Council has been assigned a specified field of activities and it has some of the functions assigned to the Central Government in Pakistan. The Defence, Security, Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade, Currency and coins are the responsibilities of the Government of Pakistan.

 

[Mo12]

you had a lot to "lol" about on both sides of the LoC on August 14 2015



whole of occupied Kashmir is a cage, in the literal and symbolic sense. That's why they hate you and will never accept you.



Perfectly in line with our principled stance on Kashmir - that it is a disputed territory.

As for being "alienated" from Pakistan, well here's a few things to keep your unemployed brain entertained for a short bit

The pattern of the state, in Azad Jammu and Kashmir is almost the same, prevailing in Pakistan with the exception that there exists in Azad Jammu and Kashmir council with Prime Minister of Pakistan as its Chairman, 6 elected members, 3 ex-officio members, and 5 members nominated from the members of Pakistan National Assembly. Azad Kashmir has a Constitution, an elected unicameral assembly, a prime minister, and a president who is elected by the assembly. Both the president and legislators serve five-year terms. Of the 49 assembly seats, 41 are filled through direct elections, and eight are reserved seats (five for women and one each for representatives of overseas Kashmiris, technocrats, and religious leaders).”

The Azad Jammu and Kashmir Council has been assigned a specified field of activities and it has some of the functions assigned to the Central Government in Pakistan. The Defence, Security, Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade, Currency and coins are the responsibilities of the Government of Pakistan.

Can you tell me why PAkistan gave parts of Kashmir to China?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Can you tell me why PAkistan gave parts of Kashmir to China?

I'll be very upfront about it: it's probably one of the single biggest actions that undermines our argument. I say it bluntly. We settled the border purely on basis of macartnay-McDonald Line. The agreement is that if the Kashmir issue is settled it can be re-negotiated. At the same time and on a broader level and from a morality standpoint - our stance is the most principled and that is why there is no anti-Pakistan rebellion on either side of the LoC, moreover unlike the indians - we are not such scared frightened petrified COWARDS that we would need to institute something along the lines of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act - which the indian occupation forces (hijras) have at their very handy disposal.

Kashmir is unfinished business since 1947, we share common bonds religion ethnicity linguistics and culture with Kashmiris - especially those of the valley. The conditions under which the illegitimate maharaja was arm-twisted by the cowardly indians are not to be ignored.

india thinks it can be the regional hegemon - Pakistan will always be here to ensure that it is not.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

But the kashmiris of valley ,they dont want freedom of jammu. They only want freedom of kashmir valley. K valley as an independent country.

No. They want the whole state freed of all non Muslim influence.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

No. They want the whole state freed of all non Muslim influence.

That's actually not true. There are I believe some extremist elements with that communal mindset but the reality is that the one thing APHC, JKLF and the secular Kashmiri nationalist groups have in common is that they are on record stating that those Pundits (hindus) who were persecuted or threatened and forced to leave must be re-integrated into the society

india complicates the issue through lies and exaggeration about their "plight"

Kashmiri Pandits: Why we never fled Kashmir - Al Jazeera English

 

[Shamain]

No. They want the whole state freed of all non Muslim influence.

U mean they want entire ladakh and jammu and kashmir freed?

and then again caged them. Stay out of India politics, you wouldnt know lol.

If i dont have any idea, please gimme some names of Azad Kashmiris representing their land in assembly or Parliament.


So nothing related to Pakistan Parliament, alienated from the country

Ajk has its own independent parliament. Its like a confederation cuz of disputed territory status. Own president own pm. Only defence is taken care by pakistan.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

U mean they want entire ladakh and jammu and kashmir freed?



Ajk has its own independent parliament. Its like a confederation cuz of disputed territory status. Own president own pm. Only defence is taken care by pakistan.

dont worry i already put this joker in his place, which is why he ran away and has nothing to say....sometimes silence is better than yapping and looking stupid

 

[surya kiran]

morality standpoint

Non existent.

Else, you would not have changed status quo. You gave up your territory to another country. You have integrated GB as part of Pakistan as an official state. Earlier arguements used to be that its a part of Pakistan and that plebiscite will make it a part of Pakistan. Today position is since nobody wants to be a part of Pakistan, it should be freed. Pakistani standpoints and policies are ever fluctuating. One of the reasons nobody takes you seriously, except to use as a toll gate.

The only interest Pakistan has in Kashmir is its now about ego. Morality has nothing to do with it. Else, you would not be killing people in other parts of your country.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Non existent.

Else, you would not have changed status quo. You gave up your territory to another country. You have integrated GB as part of Pakistan as an official state. Earlier arguements used to be that its a part of Pakistan and that plebiscite will make it a part of Pakistan. Today position is since nobody wants to be a part of Pakistan, it should be freed. Pakistani standpoints and policies are ever fluctuating. One of the reasons nobody takes you seriously, except to use as a toll gate.

The only interest Pakistan has in Kashmir is its now about ego. Morality has nothing to do with it. Else, you would not be killing people in other parts of your country.

Lines of inaccurate, sensationalist garble and static.

And when it comes to killing people - you indians are very good at it. Just ask the people of occupied Kashmir - nearly 1 lakh butchered by the occupation forces (hijras) since 1989 alone. Forget actual india where Gujratis, Assamese, Bodos and all these other groups are often at eachother's throats. We're dealing with a regional insurgency, you people are at war with yourselves. And you claim that Kashmir is an "integral part of india" but the world doesnt buy it - more pertinently neither do the Kashmiris.

(this is where you'll bring up the elections - the ones in which Kashmiris were FORCED to vote just to ensure that RSS-death squads/BJP are kept far the hell out from taking majority vote)

for every one of your hollow, meaningless arguments - I have 10

 

[third eye]

The Bus has been missed.

Trains never reverse to the stations they pass by.

Passengers look for the next bus or train to reach their destination. There is no point lamenting on why & how the bus was not boarded .

Just move on.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

U mean they want entire ladakh and jammu and kashmir freed?

Hmmmmmmmmm.

That's actually not true. There are I believe some extremist elements with that communal mindset but the reality is that the one thing APHC, JKLF and the secular Kashmiri nationalist groups have in common is that they are on record stating that those Pundits (hindus) who were persecuted or threatened and forced to leave must be re-integrated into the society

india complicates the issue through lies and exaggeration about their "plight"

Kashmiri Pandits: Why we never fled Kashmir - Al Jazeera English

They are converts or partial converts. There were three options - Convert and stay or Leave or die. We should do the same when we have the ball$ to do so. Many converted or gave their daughters into marriage to Muslim neighbors. To save their property and lives. Choices are difficult. We will leave around 400 Muslim families in an overwhelmingly Hindu land and then claim us to be non communal. It is in your interest to further the Muslim cause. It is in our interest to do the opposite.

There is no right and wrong IMO.

 

[surya kiran]

Lines of inaccurate, sensationalist garble and static.

Why are you not replying to my point, instead of talking about India? You said its a morality. I said Bull $hit. Its your own interests. Since, you have no response. Hence, we can conclude that all your high talks of morality are out of the window.

 

[GreenApple]

PM? which thread bro, im sorry im not informed about this or

You tried grabbing Lahore to have pegs of whisky at the elite Gymkhana club but then Chawinda (nearly 90 miles away) became your graveyard

Albeit in 65 both sides failed to achieve their objectives - we did defend Pakistan. And at the same time, we decimated a huge extent of your air force's capability. Hell - you had just inducted Mig-21s into your air force in 1965 and rather quickly grounded the whole fleet. Your land forces/armor got obliterated, your pilots were taught what it feels like to free-fall

...r..wow..another feather in your cap.....U prevented IA to have a peg at Gymkhana....
..Chawind happened before Lahore attack...
It was Chawind debacle that prompted Lahore attack...
...and the whole pressure of PA at Akhnor fizzled out..and that was the end of operation Grand Slam
India achieved what it wanted..and much more.
..it was ONLY the BRB canal that saved Lahore..
otherwise I too would be making travel plans to Lahore for this Diwali...but there is always a second chance...

 

[Beethoven]

I heard this on television the other day that the BRB Canal was dug from Sialkot to Lahore at a time when heavy machinery was almost non existent...dug by people with their hands...that in itself is quite a feat..