Areesh
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Boy the size of your message simply shows you are getting hyped up and accusing me of being butt hurt ... i am loving it....On a serious note let's not loose the context as well..try and reply back with pin-pointed questions/replies....
One stupid criteria you guys have to judge that whether one if hyped or not back in India. But looking at your justifications on Kashmir issue this looks a bit more sane. Anyways Yeah lets not loose the context and don't run here and there like 1971 since topic is about the biggest open air prison of the world.
where did i claim that??
Nearly all of your compatriots claim that. Stupid right???
I only said after 47-48 gains your kashmir policy has boomeranged on you
Well that's what you think. we feel our kashmir policy got us 85000+ sq km of Kashmir state.
and yes 71 is a glaring example
Yeah you won in 71. With overwhelming odds in your favor and with help of terror groups like Mukti Bahini. But that has nothing to do with our Kashmir policy. It is a separate issue.
.List me the gains viz-a-viz territory vs any losses that you may have suffer...give it a shot and perhaps you will get what boomeranged means...
Already given a short list dear. It is not my fault if you don't want research further into it and keep believing in the lie "didn't take an inch from India".
On one hand you say hyper nationalistic and on same token you say they are forced to report because situation is this bad...
Yes true. And it is not an oxymoron if you think like that. The fact is that Indian media ignores all journalistic ethics when it comes to Kashmir and Pakistan. But despite that in all that pile of sh!t we manage to find something worthy and less shitty and closer to reality.
.you are not even making any sense now
That's what you think.
A hyper nationalistic media will not give two hoots about anything but national interests
Explained above I think.
here is nothing to hide because no-one can change the status quo here
Status quo are one thing that change always. You are wrong logically and historically. Only that is permanent is change.
A bitter fact and hard to swallow..but alas truth!!
Truth for you. When you avoid all the hard realities on ground then the rhetoric like "we are a supa puwa and nothing would change" is the last resort and is the ultimate truth for you.
Though now i am wondering what is being fed to you guys
I quoted Indian media. And you thinking what we are fed? The question is how hard it is for you to accept the truth that is even sometimes reported in your own media.
Tourism Boom in Kashmir - WSJ
Now can your claim and above goes hand in hand??
Meh. Futile?? It is a poor attempt. A very bad one. A few hundred thousand people from India visited a region because "militancy" (not freedom movement) declined a bit. That doesn't prove problem is solved. That doesn't mean all if OKAY. It shows that you are trying to brush things under the carpet. The news that you have given is from 2011. During the same timeline in summers of 2010 more than 100 Kashmiri youth were killed in clashes with Indian security forces in mass protests. You think it is all normal? You think death of 100 plus kids within 2 months is all normal. OR that people of Kashmir have forgotten death of those kids and are now singing Jana Gana Mana five times a day?
If you think anything like above then you are deluded my friend.
For more about killing spree of Indian state against Kashmir youth in year 2010:
The riot police consisting of Jammu and Kashmir Police and Indian Para-military forces fired teargas shells rubber bullets and also live ammunition on the protesters, resulting in 112 deaths, including many teenagers and an 11-year-old boy
2010 Kashmir unrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So you do it because you want to stop terrorist and we do it because we are tyrants...right??
Yes. Because you and we are in different situations. In our case it is for the security of Shia Pakistanis. It is for safety of Shia processions since in past Whatsapp, Viber etc have been used by terrorists of TTP and LeJ to attack these processions. Once processions ends, the internet is restored within no time. There is also no curfew or moving restrictions even in such situation. A normal person can travel around sine there are no curfews like it is in the case of IOK. In IOK you have no threat from any terrorist. It is to avoid protests from local civilians. It is for stopping them from protesting against Indian state. To stop the kids of Kashmir from pelting stones on your security forces. Situation is different dear. you cannot compare the both.
Anyways i don't expect you to apply your brain here and crack a simple thing - Internet bans or curfews are imposed to stop situation getting out of control...this is not an indicator that the place is not free...We do it on 14th August...15th August or for that matter any day of the year...the idea and logic for fringe elements to expolit the situation will not change...
Yes it will change and it is different cases that you are talking about here. You are comparing two different scenarios here. We do it to avoid any kind of terrorists attacking our civilians, you do it to stop protests by fringe elements aka Kashmir people. And we do it only on two days. 9th and 10 of Moharram. Both dates related to Shia processions. While in IOK, whenever you feel that there are chances of massive protests by locals against your tyranny you impose such draconian bans. There is no specific day in the year for such bans in your case.
Atleast read before shamelessly replying back..."independently verify claims" is the key there...
I have read it. We never stopped anyone from visiting NWA and FATA. But since there was very little government control on these regions so that it was advised not to go their for neutral journalists. You know we were fighting hardcore terrorists running their own state unlike you who are fighting a low level militancy but still ban several foreign journalists despite the situation in IOK was clearly not as bad as it was in FATA a few years ago or before or during Op Zarb e Azb.
regarding your comment on whose human rights record is better then please quote some "Neutral Source" suggesting that
I stand by my claim. Our situation was far bad but despite that our record is far better and clean.
Talk about self obsession ....
Wrong again. This is the believe and confidence in what you are defending and arguing.
Look we both are repeating our points now...so let me put a pause here...unless and until you have some replies for the questions i raised or some specifc questions for me..consider this as my last reply....
Your choice whether you reply again or not. I have tried to answer your arguments and counter arguments despite they being extremely bogus and lame according to me. Like all the Indian arguments on Kashmir. By the way since you are signing off, this was what was happening on the streets of Srinagar while you were typing your post to counter claims and comments of a Pakistani on the same region.
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Feel how stupid you are looking right now to me?