Kashmir all-party meet: Modi discusses atrocities in Azad Kashmir, Balochistan

[Samlee]

India should politically, morally and diplomatically support Baloch struggle for freedom: Hyrbyair Marri
aloch pro-freedom leader Hyrbyair Marri has said in a statement from London on Thursday that Pakistan’s continuous support for religious extremism and terrorism is not only a threat to world peace but to the sub-continent also. Its fanatical aggressions against the people of Kashmir has made life in this part of the world ever more insecure and unstable. Pakistan is using its proxy jihadi extremists to spread terror in India and Kashmir.

He said Balochistan and Kashmir have thousands of years of history. Balochistan is the cradle of Mehr Garh. It was a sovereign and independent state until British imperial army invaded it in 1839. The Baloch nation fought hard and for too long to acquire their freedom and eventually succeeded in 1947. The artificial state of Pakistan, which was forged by their British imperial rulers in the same year, invaded the Baloch nation and forcibly annexed it in 1948.

He said, “A product of colonial system – Pakistan – is only half a century old which has occupied Balochistan and ever since it has been committing despicable crimes against the Baloch people. A half century fraudulent colonial state that has never spared a moment of gruesome bloodshed, violence, corruption and religious bigotry is now claiming the ownership of a land having thousands of years of history Balochistan and Kashmir. Such baseless claims cannot be comprehensible to any sane mind.”

Mr Marri made these comments in response to Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s remarks about Kashmir on Wednesday that “Pakistan would continue its political and diplomatic support for the people of Kashmir in their struggle for freedom and right to self-determination.”

The Baloch leader said that Pakistan’s intelligence agencies and weapons smugglers who have the full backing of the state have been providing weapons to religious extremists to carry out acts of terrorism in different areas of Balochistan, India and Kashmir. “The international community and India are well aware of Pakistan’s dirty game” He added.

Hyrbyair Marri said China and India are two powerful states that can play an important and responsible role in the region. The oppressed nations’ struggle for freedom and justice will not remain unnoticed for too long. But China’s undemocratic political system prevents it from behaving responsibly. The communist rulers of China want to establish their supremacy in the region under the policy of ‘string of pearls.’

He said China is already looting and plundering Balochistan and Kashmir natural resources. Because of its access to cheap resources China support the Panjabi colonial rulers of Pakistan. “Pakistani political; military, commercial and establishment have always severed the powerful forces to stay in power and to exploit the nations under their occupation.”

“India is a democratic country” he said. Mr Marri stated that since Pakistan openly supports Kashmir on political, diplomatic and moral basis then India should also not hesitate to support Baloch democratic struggle for independence. Whereas it had long historical borders with Balochistan.

If India, United States and other democratic states want peace in the region and wish to limit Pakistan’s religious terrorism, then it should support the Baloch as India helped Bengalis during their liberation war in 1970s.

Hyrbyair Marri added, “Baloch are a natural ally of all those who believe in democracy, human rights and rule of law. A secular and independent Balochistan can only guarantee peace in the region. The democratic states must learn from the experience of Kurdistan. Baloch do not want to live in the state of perpetual war, poverty and subjugation. They want peace, stability, prosperity, freedom and dignity.”

Modi Approves

It's Funny How A Sardar Talks About Democracy and Human Rights

and BTW A Little Knowledge Can Be Very Dangerous.Harbyar Marri May Talk of "Independence" But His Elder Brother Nawab Mir Changez Marri Is Senior Minister of Balochistan Government.When He Became Nawab He Ordered All Marri
Tribesman To Come Down From The Mountains and Surrender.That Is Why Harbyar Is Desperate He Has Lost A Large Portion of His 'BLA'


Oh And One Other Thing There Are 107 Baloch Tribes Only 2.5 Of Them Are Up In Arms
Most Baloch Actually Hate BLA BRA And Suport Musalah Diffa

China Pappa India is pulling my nickers, very time why Pakistan have to have a Daddy??? Earlier it was USA now China.

Just Like India Has A Daddy To Save It's nickers Like First It Was Russia Now It Is America

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Aw. He is a muslim. Poor in taste. Why are you so cruel nowadays?? Dont become a KSA jackass who treats muslims from subcontinent badly

Ah, sir....You again? ....well...I got offended by his post. He trolled and i trolled back. However, my doubt was serious, i was not joking because i believed and had assumed that Indians can pretend to be as Muslims on this forum to show how Indian Muslims hate us.

I again repeat....there is no personal hard feelings I have for him. He is defending India and I m trying for my Pakistan. Some personal insults however do happen but I m not bad at heart.

My personal opinion regarding Indian Muslims is that they are very hard working people. You know what, I m descendant of Immigrant (Muhajir, as we r called). We are people who migrated from India to Pakistan in 1947. We are the only community in Pakistan which feels so much for Indian Muslims because we ourselves were residing in Agra, Hyderabad, Lucknow etc.

My grand father came from India (Agra or lucknow) to Pakistan in 1947. We were not local natives of Pakistan at that time yet we sacrificed everything for this country because we believed in Pakistan. I respect my forefathers decision and on the other hand, my other people, just like @adil_minhas and his forefathers who decided to stay in India. I respect their decision too....

 

[waz]

Moderator bhi shuru hogya
This will be fun

Not half as fun as reading the posts about P O K

 

[Hellfire]

Ah, sir....You again? ....well...I got offended by his post. He trolled and i trolled back. However, my doubt was serious, i was not joking because i believed and had assumed that Indians can pretend to be as Muslims on this forum to show how Indian Muslims hate us.

I again repeat....there is no personal hard feelings I have for him. He is defending India and I m trying for my Pakistan. Some personal insults however do happen but I m not bad at heart.

My personal opinion regarding Indian Muslims is that they are very hard working people. You know what, I m descendant of Immigrant (Muhajir, as we r called). We are people who migrated from India to Pakistan in 1947. We are the only community in Pakistan which feels so much for Indian Muslims because we ourselves were residing in Agra, Hyderabad, Lucknow etc.

My grand father came from India (Agra or lucknow) to Pakistan in 1947. We were not local natives of Pakistan at that time yet we sacrificed everything for this country because we believed in Pakistan. I respect my forefathers decision and on the other hand, my other people, just like @adil_minhas and his forefathers who decided to stay in India. I respect their decision too....

Aw senti wala maar diya aap ne.

Was pulling you

By the ways, contrary to the misconception of media on either side (politicians actually) there is actually a rejection of Pakistan as a state by majority of Muslims in India. But now our politicians are working hard to change it.

They don't have to hate to prove loyalty. There are idiots on both sides of the border. 90% are idiots and of remaining, 90% are made idiots. He is a genuinely nice guy even to Pakistani members. But damn patriotic ... and one can't attack his religious beliefs for that. That's why I pulled you, not from you. There are a couple of idiots around, from them I could expect it.

Anyways, was just my opinion.

My grandfather came from Lahore. I will quote a Pakistani Army Officer, my father's room mate in US on a course, who told the Saudi who had a problem with the officer interacting and being best buddies and room mates with a 'kafir' that 'we are two nations but same blood, our differences are political but roots common'

We all lost. 1947 was a tragedy for all till date. Howsoever, we may deny it.

Anyways, cheers

See you around

Not half as fun as reading the posts about P O K

Et tu @waz ???

 

[waz]

Et tu @waz ???

Captain Spock lives in P O K, patha thenu?

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Aw senti wala maar diya aap ne.

Was pulling you

By the ways, contrary to the misconception of media on either side (politicians actually) there is actually a rejection of Pakistan as a state by majority of Muslims in India. But now our politicians are working hard to change it.

They don't have to hate to prove loyalty. There are idiots on both sides of the border. 90% are idiots and of remaining, 90% are made idiots. He is a genuinely nice guy even to Pakistani members. But damn patriotic ... and one can't attack his religious beliefs for that. That's why I pulled you, not from you. There are a couple of idiots around, from them I could expect it.

Anyways, was just my opinion.

My grandfather came from Lahore. I will quote a Pakistani Army Officer, my father's room mate in US on a course, who told the Saudi who had a problem with the officer interacting and being best buddies and room mates with a 'kafir' that 'we are two nations but same blood, our differences are political but roots common'

We all lost. 1947 was a tragedy for all till date. Howsoever, we may deny it.

Anyways, cheers

See you around

Pakistanis and Indians have a lot much in their hearts...Bus koi sunne wala hona chayie....

By the way, I don't know why I feel little shy from you. May be because it is second time you tried to "pull me" as u say. hehe...I, now, when writing my posts on forum, get cautious/afraid from you and @Joe Shearer instead of moderators....hahahahaha....

Whenever I m in trolling mood, you pull me off. Destroying all funny mode...

 

[Hellfire]

Captain Spock lives in P O K, patha thenu?

Enlightened.

Pakistanis and Indians have a lot much in their hearts...Bus koi sunne wala hona chayie....

By the way, I don't know why I feel little shy from you. May be because it is second time you tried to "pull me" as u say. hehe...I, now, when writing my posts on forum, get cautious/afraid from you and @Joe Shearer instead of moderators....hahahahaha....

Whenever I m in trolling mood, you pull me off. Destroying all funny mode...

Eeekkkss. Sorry.
Carry on (s)trolling. Am in that mode too. Sorry ciao

Goodnight

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Enlightened.



Eeekkkss. Sorry.
Carry on (s)trolling. Am in that mode too. Sorry ciao

Goodnight

Good ni8, sir....

 

[Post Colonnial]

I like this guy's style. Look at the sequence of events.

1) screams bloody murder at the cow vigilante crowd and sets them in the back foot. One speech and the issue is done!
2) calls all party meet and sets the rules of the game
3) Has his deputy's deputy give the bird to Pakistan's request for talks
4) Takes off on to his next international tour and....
5) gifts a frigging Hazrat Ali repro to the Ayatollah

I don't think he even wastes two seconds thinking about Pakistan.

BTW he did find time to console the heart breaking losses at the Olympics - after all those atheletes qualified in spite of very poor infrastructure in India for many sports

 

[Joe Shearer]

Haha. Dont know about the books. Never read them. But damn, you should have taken up law.

@Joe Shearer impressed by him, sir.

Took the words out of my mouth.

He is one of the best. Sui generis. But a crook on this subject, I am glad to acknowledge

Modi wants to discuss Indian atrocities in Blochistan and Kashmir. That's very good development. For decades now we have been trying to tell the world of Indian terror activities in both Blochistan and Kashmir and now they want to bring that up themselves in international forum.

They should start by explaining the recent Quetta bombing and the killings of civilians in Kashmir.

I do hope this does not hurt your feelings, but they may not. For mysterious reasons that will take too long to explain.

Haha. Dont know about the books. Never read them. But damn, you should have taken up law.

@Joe Shearer impressed by him, sir.

Master's degree in Political Science, you notice. Should I sic my bugbear onto him, for a grounding in the subject before aforementioned bugbear needles me again with half-formed crap about fascism and the Nazis?

By the way what is this aggressive dialogue going to do just lift a few morals in the retarded Indian media

We are now lifting morals? What next, a breast job?

Cry havoc , and let loose the dogs of war...


Just lemme know since I need to sell spare parts.. and to both sides

Nobody else got it.

@hellfire

I say this for your moral upliftment, strengthening of your reasoning faculties and the (presumably further) sweetening of your breath*: follow this master. And Niaz Sahib.

* In addition, improvements in professional and personal life and a better golf handicap cannot yet be ruled out.

Most informative post. His family has done more for you and your country than you as a citizen. Informs us about your loyalty.

HIS loyalty? This crypto-Razakar? It is impossible to despise more than I already do. A murderous criminal.

Another product of Pakistanls faulty education system .He seems like a computer program.
when ever he fails to logically defend a point he return to his default program.Hindus,kafirs,poverty,toilet etc.

Where?
I didnt see it anywhere

Ah, but now we know where HIS gaze was fixed.

A friend of mine from Mardan says that even birds fly with a single wing when they fly across certain parts of his country; the other is positioned very firmly in a defensive posture across the fundamentals.

Why is this geela ni guy considered so important by media . what has he done to welfare of people of Kashmir or Pakistan or India ?

Educated his children.

They don't throw stones. In their professions, they don't do such undignified things. In any case, in the cities they live in, these things are frowned upon. Wouldn't want them getting into trouble with the police, now, would we?

He was known as Ali Shah earlier; ask a genuine Kashmiri what that short-hand means: they have an elaborate caste system that is kept concealed from outsiders. The other embellishments were acquired along the way, and the old-timers still laugh at his pretensions.

There are more Syeds in south Asia than Arabs in Arabia.

no you cant see it without a mirror can you?

Why should he bother, when you are there to do the 'star-gazing' for him?

Favourable situations are already in there .
Only thing they need is just a gentle push .
Former GoIs didnt do that because they thought that will improve our relations with Pakistan and they were mistaken.Even this GoI also didnt give much interest in there until now.Thanks to the oversmartness of Pak Govt and establishment , now it seems they just begun.

Deeply regret to say that I agree with you.

And this is a purely Pakistani achievement. One that they will someday be proud of, I hope.

 

[Great Janjua]

Took the words out of my mouth.

We are now lifting morals? What next, a breast job?


hope.

Suits you're personality

 

[Joe Shearer]

You people have gone mad in obsession against Pakistan and Kashmir.
just image that Occupied kashmir people are waving Pakistani flag and you are talking about the independence of Pakistani kashimir
its so insan. i wish you could come and see the pakistani Kashmir.
Azad kashmir has its own PM. they have complete access to Pakistan and preference qouta in jobs and other facilities.
all the Azad kashmir budged is assigned from Pakista,
Kashmiris are seen with respect in all over the Pakistan.
THese are the things completely missing in India.
India kills them, rape them, use pallet guns, abduct their youth. impose curfew etc etc.

get some facts right before spreading such nonsense which even western media is not ready to buy.

Do that yourself, you fool.

Kashmiris get quotas in education; only Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribes get quotas in jobs in India. The J&K budget is subsidised heavily; India spends many times more per capita on that state than on any other. Kashmiris work all over India in responsible positions, both KPs and KMs.

Don't take what is happening to rioters as what is happening to Kashmiris.

Suits you're personality

Oh, goody goody. He likes me!

I can speak for AK as I live here. What brutalities is this Modi sab talking about? May be other AKs can enligten me on any oppression on us? I masajid are free to operate as Allah wills, our women wear clothes as they chose (including Nikab), Azan is said at all times.

I come out of the house and thank Allah for the 'land of the pure' and breathing the air of freedom and free of zulm. We love the forj and convey our salaams to them when we see them. I've been to sensitive areas/compounds without any problems and I saw jaahmaz and quran al-kareem on shelves. Naturally this bought a smile in my heart and love for them deepened.

Yes, I agree our land needs to be cleansed, and purifies of the haram khor, and traitors so that we can be land of the pure once again.



Don't Hindustani police use such tactics to get confessions? Don't LIE!

We can do without this child's primer in patriotism. All the passages in red are true of J&K State as well.

I can't comment on such cases as I don't know the details. However, this does not make sense, what use is someone who is forced to fight when he does not want too? He will be a liability to others.

If you can't comment on things where you don't know the details, you will not have much to contribute, I am afraid.

I hate when you people lie and make out that your Police are saints. It does not take long to expose your lies!

http://indianexpress.com/article/ci...ho-beat-man-to-death-in-lockup-get-jail-term/

Can you show us a similar case from Pakistan?

 

[adil_minhas]

I resent that and I shudder



Aw. He is a muslim. Poor in taste. Why are you so cruel nowadays?? Dont become a KSA jackass who treats muslims from subcontinent badly

Sir you misunderstand. A barb from a Pakistani musalman is the biggest form of honour for an Indian musalman. It reaffirms his faith in Allah. That he remains a good musalman. And never mutated into the type of musalman who butchers innocent musalmans in the name of politics, greed, sect and tribe. Do not feel bad for us sir. We feel bad for them. Cause we see in them the depths that can so easily be plumbed.

@PaklovesTurkiye @Areesh

 

[Great Janjua]

I am "SURE" The great Prime minister of india will bring some chai stalls when he comes to azad Kashmir

 

[Joe Shearer]

why do i need to justify the truth

@SrNair

He's too busy inspecting, er.., things.

Your answer should've been, the truth is here on this forum, pictures posted and shown how people and children are being tortured and oppressed. And why do you need to keep telling the proof when these people keep denying it

This must be unique in history: a mouthpiece who is an arsehole.

Dear friend,

Pak posters are no match for this organised mob of dark hatred. The sick occupation of Kashmir by an alien race is never ever going to succeed.

The trouble is that Pak people do not see that on their borders is an idealogy of expantionist state with invented mythology.

We have seen it before in Europe and NE Asia how invented mythologies of superiority and entitlement have created crimes against humanity.

This subcontinental state aka india has been committing crimes again humanity in Kashmir for so long...yet the Pak gov has never managed to highlight this.. Sadly Pak people / gov has no narrative.

In this age of social media...this crime against humanity can not be hidden for long. Pak people should stop expecting that western world will act in neutral manner... Kahmiri people are kind and family of Pak peoples... they need to find their moral courage and build a narrative on this Truth that the ******** are committing crimes against humanity.

Pak people need to take this alien race of occupier to Internaltional Criminal Court. Fight it through the law.

Says the sententious old bore whose own country has just finished its 247th rant against the decision given against them on the SCS.

Do Chinese have a sense of humour? Or a sense of the ridiculous?

Dear Viper,

I don't give two hoots to this demon-possessed-crazy ideological society of arrogant people of this fake country called india by the british colonial power. I call it by its rightful name...subcontinental state.

You perhaps are equating me with the subcontinenal hinduians...Please, do not. It is offensive.

The hinduians are occupying South Tibet, north eastern states and host of other principalities they illegally occupied. Their crimes again humanity in Kashmir are the darkest. And longest.

Kindly, read my post if you please...then see where did I condone the hinduian crimes against humanity?

Take care.

Regards.

Oh, you remember south Tibet? Perhaps you also remember Tibet, where you have re-settled Han settlers and destroyed the ethnicity of the country? Or Xinjiang, where you do to Muslims things that you would not like your dear friend here to remember or to ask you about? Or would you rather talk about the benevolent neighbour that you are, to the Philippines, whose victory in a law court about the SCS brought all of you out of the hive buzzing like bees, to Japan, which thinks of militarising again, thanks to your war-mongering, or to south Korea, which faces an armed and dangerous lunatic whom you have propped up single-handedly, or to Vietnam, which country delights in nothing more than reminding you of what happened when you attacked that tiny nation, or ....where do you want to stop?

And you have the cheek and the gall to advise others how to conduct themselves in international relations?

I wondered somewhere else if Chinese had a sense of humour. After putting down what I did, above, just now, I find that my answer has changed. Of course they have a sense of humour! Otherwise you could not be posting what you are.

Seriously U are only worried for the positive rating than whats inside the pic? I am like This is a picture worth a thousand words. Remove the lens of biasedness and U ll find a thousand page true story compiled in just one pic. But ofcourse how can U feel the pain of those guys out there. Salutes.

I think you should feel some embarrassment and refrain from blowing your own trumpet. But you are obviously so obsessed with self-publicity that you feel no embarrassment, none at all.

When did this voting take place?

It didn't.

He's lying in his teeth. But let's see what he says or does (apart from reprinting the UN Resolution).

Let me tell U Mr that I love humanity and I ve got many Hindus under me right now whom I deal with utmost respect as they are good workers. So much so that just a few days back one of the hindu sanitary guy got his foot badly injured but his Egyptian manager wud not let him go. That prompted my action and not only I myself cleaned his wound till Doc arrived but also got him bed rest. Also got him free med as he is just a poor guy. I have got lots of such incidents around me and U have compelled me to state just this one.

You're such a nice guy, after all.

Tell you what. That DESERVES a treat.

Please feel free to insult us another three times. This time the treat's on us.

In hindsight, that was unkind of me. I withdraw the remarks. Sorry.

You are ignoring the simple fact that it was not the terms of the Instrument of Accession that Pakistan objected to but the accession itself and the authority of the Maharaja to sign such an agreement. Pakistan rejected this accession as it was predicated on fraud and violence. Under international law," if a dispute arises as to sovereignty over a portion of territory where one party has actually displayed sovereignty, it is not enough for the other party to show territorial sovereignty once existed; it must also be shown that the territorial sovereignty has continued to exist and did exist at the time critical to deciding the dispute." ... At the time the Maharaja allegedly signed the accession, his sovereignty over the state had practically been eroded. And the Gilgit Region was a terra nullius as the Maharaja (or his predecessors) was never able to make his sovereignty effective in any way in that region.



As for accession of Khanate of Kalat to Pakistan, there were no similar issues. And this accession was not challenged by anyone. Neither by India, nor by the Khan himself. The Khan (like Nizam of Hyderabad) could have taken the issue to the Security Council by himself if he believed that Pakistan was trying to coerce him. He didn't.


By cablegram dated 21 August 1948,585 Hyderabad informed the Security Council, under Article 35 (Z), that a grave dispute had arisen between Hyderabad and India, which, unless settled in accordance with international law and justice, was likely to endanger the maintenance of international peace and security.


So, under International Law, even the accession of Hyderabad to India is disputed but the accession of Kalat to Pakistan is an accomplished task.


You can up the ante on Baluchistan as much as you want, but under International Law, Baluchistan is Pakistan's internal matter whereas Kashimir is NOT India's internal matter and nothing is going to change that

I don't know how to approach this.