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Karzai: I'll send troops to Pakistan

Technically Karzai cannot be faulted for his outburst.

If indeed one's country is attacked by element from outsides and the country from where the rabble mount attacks from cannot control the attacking rabble (who also attacks the country where they take sanctuary), then it is not out of place to opine that one can go and attack the areas from where the rabble emanates since the country from where the attacks are mounted are unable to control the rabble.
 
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Frankly, the title of the thread is very misleading.

Karzai has stated that the Afghan Forces and or NATO would attack the Taliban in Pakistan. This is also subject to a pre-requisite that the Pakistani forces are unable to attack the Taliban in that area at that very moment.

What the title leads one to assume that Karzai intends to attack Pakistan.
 
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Frankly, the title of the thread is very misleading.

Karzai has stated that the Afghan Forces and or NATO would attack the Taliban in Pakistan. This is also subject to a pre-requisite that the Pakistani forces are unable to attack the Taliban in that area at that very moment.

What the title leads one to assume that Karzai intends to attack Pakistan.

What ever the intentions must be, nobody in pakistan gives a damn about specially to what karzai has to say. One thing is for sure all military activities in our area will be conducted by the PA or the drone attack. If NATO and Afghan forces will attack pakistani area it will be considered as an act of war and PA will respond. This has been cleared to all parties involved.
 
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Technically Karzai cannot be faulted for his outburst.

If indeed one's country is attacked by element from outsides and the country from where the rabble mount attacks from cannot control the attacking rabble (who also attacks the country where they take sanctuary), then it is not out of place to opine that one can go and attack the areas from where the rabble emanates since the country from where the attacks are mounted are unable to control the rabble.

Ohh yes absolutely. How could Karzai be at fault. The fault obiviously lies with us as we are a terrorist sponspering nation. The thing is what is he going to do about it.
 
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What ever the intentions must be, nobody in pakistan gives a damn about specially to what karzai has to say. One thing is for sure all military activities in our area will be conducted by the PA or the drone attack. If NATO and Afghan forces will attack pakistani area it will be considered as an act of war and PA will respond. This has been cleared to all parties involved.

Pakistan does not "control" the areas that we are discussing.

NATO/Afghan forces will attack Taliban hide-outs in Pakistan while pursuing them and/or if PA is unable to mount an offensive against them.

I doubt anything can be done in this regard.
 
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What ever the intentions must be, nobody in pakistan gives a damn about specially to what karzai has to say. One thing is for sure all military activities in our area will be conducted by the PA or the drone attack. If NATO and Afghan forces will attack pakistani area it will be considered as an act of war and PA will respond. This has been cleared to all parties involved.


If one were to take this remark seriously.. Pakistan should have been at war over a year ago.

NATO( read US ) has been striking inside Pakistan almost at will. The only " war like" responses the world has seen are " strongly worded protests" !
 
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What ever the intentions must be, nobody in pakistan gives a damn about specially to what karzai has to say. One thing is for sure all military activities in our area will be conducted by the PA or the drone attack. If NATO and Afghan forces will attack pakistani area it will be considered as an act of war and PA will respond. This has been cleared to all parties involved.

You sure about this?

Are drone attacks permissible as per the Pakistan policy?
 
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Hot pursuit remarks not directed against Pakistan, says Karzai

KABUL, June 16: Reiterating his stand on hot pursuit targeting ‘terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan,’ Afghan President Afghan Karzai said on Monday that his statement was not directed against Pakistan.

Talking to a group of Pakistani journalists who called on him at the heavily fortified Gulkhana Palace, President Karzai said the two governments should join hands to wipe out the elements working against peace and stability and against the innocent people on either side of the border. He said militant leaders Baitullah Mehsud and Maulana Fazlullah were enemies of the Pukhtuns.

“I am very serious because it is a very serious matter. When Baitullah Mehsud and Mulla Fazl make statements about going into Afghanistan to kill innocent people, what do you expect us to do. What would the government of Pakistan do in such a situation,” he asked.

He nevertheless made it clear that he was not showing any disrespect to the civilian government of Pakistan, and said that he had held good conversations with PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and PML-N leader Mian Nawaz Sharif.

The president said he did not feel that the civilian government was responsible for the situation. Mr Karzai said his remarks were aimed at spelling out his government’s right to defend itself. He said Baitullah Mehsud and Maulana Fazlullah were burning schools in Swat, Mardan and elsewhere.

“They must pay for their crimes and even if they don’t come to Afghanistan and if they burn schools I will treat them as enemies. It is a very, very serious matter.

“If the government of Pakistan can bring to justice the two and the likes of them on its own, we have no objection, but we want results,” said President Karzai who seemed to be pushing Pakistan towards accepting joint action against extremists in the tribal areas.

He pointed out that Baitullah Mehsud had been accused by the government of Pakistan of killing former prime minister Benazir Bhutto and of many suicide bombings, asking how the government could negotiate with such a person.

“If you are negotiating with Taliban, we don’t mind because we are also doing it.”

When asked about peace deals being worked out by the Awami National Party with the militants, he said that ANP was a responsible party and it had suffered for the Pukhtun cause. “If they are doing it they are doing it with good intentions. We will back them.” It was surprising that Mr Karzai was willing to support ANP’s initiative in dealing with Taliban and other elements but he had implied reservations on others dealing with them.

Mr Karzai seemed to be attempting to speak for all Pukhtuns on either side of the Durand Line. While making it clear that his earlier statement was not directed against Pakistan, President Karzai said: “But if my land or people are attacked I have the right to defend.” He said terrorism was a common enemy and both the governments should join hands to deal with the problem. He said promoting radicalism was a serious mistake and it should be stopped before it was too late.

He stressed the need for wiping out sanctuaries of militants.

About his government’s negotiations with Hizbe Islami leader Gulbadin Hekmatyar, the Afghan president said: “If he is ready for negotiations, we will talk to him because he is an Afghan.


Let me guess the air got out from the tyre so early.:angry:
But anyways how exactly is he going to push us. Does he have what it takes to push pakistan to do something:disagree: Its even more ridiculous then his previous comment about afghan forces crossing into pakistan. What he forgot was that Unlike afghanistan who was invaded by different countries at different times, pakistan is a sovereign state and what ever actions necessary, will be taken by the PA.
 
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If one were to take this remark seriously.. Pakistan should have been at war over a year ago.

NATO( read US ) has been striking inside Pakistan almost at will. The only " war like" responses the world has seen are " strongly worded protests" !

Attacking in pakistan with what, drones and that too with the consent of the government though they deny it at all times. Besides i'm talking about the land attack of NATO or for that matter the afghans. Any military action conducted inside pakistan will be done by pakistan. This has been made very clear by every government.
 
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Attacking in pakistan with what, drones and that too with the consent of the government though they deny it at all times. Besides i'm talking about the land attack of NATO or for that matter the afghans. Any military action conducted inside pakistan will be done by pakistan. This has been made very clear by every government.

My apologies for having misunderstood.

What continues to confuse me are the lines highlighted above. An attack by drones on Pakistani soil appears ok...but land attacks aren't ?

" With consent though denying it" seems too open ended.

"Any military action inside pakistan willbe done by Pakistan" The last "actions" culminated in peace treaties sought by the Pakitani army with the bad boys.

Lets face it, US & NATO have got the General where they want him. Despite all the angry noises he or his Govt may make nothing is going to change on the Western Borders. They will continue to do whatever they want with impunity.

As far as the General & Afganistan is concerned a line from an old hindi song sums it up

" Tumhi ne dard diya hai..tumhi dawa dena".
 
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US general feels Afghans picking on Pakistan

By Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON, June 16: There is not a Pakistani miscreant behind every tree in Afghanistan, says a US general, Daniel McNeill, who commanded Nato forces in that country until last week.

At a recent news briefing in Washington, the former Nato commander conceded that even if the border with Pakistan was “absolutely” closed; it will not end insurgency in Afghanistan.

“Look, our Afghan brothers often utter that all their problems have to do with Pakistan. And you and I know – if you’ve travelled in that region, you know that’s not accurate,” he said. “There’s not a Pakistani miscreant behind every tree in Afghanistan. It’s simply not so.”

Such admissions by senior US officials – particularly those who have served in Afghanistan – are rare. Usually, they prefer to blame Pakistan.

“It is an easy option,” says a senior Pakistani diplomat who deals with US officials on the Afghan issue. “The other option is to acknowledge that things are not good in Afghanistan. But with thousands of US and Nato troops stationed there, saying so would amount to admitting your own failures and nobody likes to do that.”

Such admissions may be rare but there is a growing realisation in Washington that the Afghan government is not functioning the way it should.

The New York Times reported this weekend that both US and European officials are growing increasingly frustrated with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

The report said that US officials are particularly frustrated with his refusal to arrest drug lords who are running the country’s opium trade, which is widely believed to have fuelled the Taliban resurgence.

Gen McNeill also referred to this problem in his briefing, saying that the illegal drug trade was the lifeline of insurgency in Afghanistan. “I became of the belief that illegal cultivation of poppy there was the insurgency or the insurgency was the illegal cultivation of poppy,” he said. “And it’s something the Afghans have to take on. I don’t think the international community can do this for them.”

US general feels Afghans picking on Pakistan -DAWN - Top Stories; June 17, 2008
 
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Here we go the reason for puppet Karzai's statement guess what

yeh yeh the USSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAA

Today while addressing a press conference along with UK PM, Bush has said US fully endorses Karzai's statment.


Dear Jana,

Link please.

Regards
 
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