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:lol: Truth of kargil

PA was not ready to take the dead bodies of their soldiers

IA killing them like rats

Sharif was commuting and begging to US

Finally, PA achieved her goal by doing a successful coup.
 
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It still matters. Pakistan gained strategic peaks. Thats still a win-win.

What did India gain, nothing.

Pakistan gained something moved the LOC even down more into the Indian territory.

Thats still a victory.
now for your kind information,india lost the the strategic peak of 5353 from india,whereas india got 4875,4261 from pakistan..and pt.5353 is surrounded by indian peaks on all sides...and who said pakistan pushed down the loc further down the indian territory,your madrassa conrtolled media??? :rofl:
 
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Wrong again. By the end of it at the operational level it was turning out to be a disaster. Your posts could not be supplied, rations had run out. There were Pakistani Army soldiers fighting with just chewing sugar tablets for energy as full rations as well as ammunition had run out. An ode to their bravery and perseverance. But that does not mean the enemy still doesnt kill you.

PA was being systematically being removed peak after peak. Nawaz just saved your army more casualties.

NS was actually begged by Mushy to go the USA and salvage something out of a bad situation.. And he did.. But then no good deed goes unpunished as proven by the coup organized by that criminal Musharraf (Pakistan's court's wordings.. Not mine ;) )
 
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now for your kind information,india lost the the strategic peak of 5353 from india,whereas india got 4875,4261 from pakistan..and pt.5353 is surrounded by indian peaks on all sides...and who said pakistan pushed down the loc further down the indian territory,your madrassa conrtolled media??? :rofl:

lol, India never captured Pakistani land.
Your Mandir education with urine drinking is destroying your brain.
Ouch!

stop hanging around with prostitutes with saris in Mumbai the Syphilis must be getting to you! lol!
Ouch!

India never captured any Pakistani land. There is not data to prove such a thing. Non of the neutral media pieces state that.

The BBC never stated that Pakistan lost land.

LOL, its Indians that always boast that they regain ALL LAND, but never boast they got Pakistani land.
No Indian General stated they captured Pakistani land.

But Pakistanis always claim we gained something! LOL

Peak 5353 and some others. Peak 5353 is infamous one. I don't know if Peak 5353 was on the LOC at the time. I would to check at this. Even so, its still a loss for India, because the LOC is still further down in the Indian side. They Indians were not able to make it to Pre-1999 levels, therefore it was defeat for India, because India lost something.


Like I said, and I will keep repeating it, a tactical victory for Pakistan, but a Diplomatic victory for India.
Pakistan still has the clear advantage since we overlook the Drass-Kargil highway.

So there you go.
 
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The NLI, a paramilitary force in 1999, was made a regular regiment of the Pakistan army after its performance in the Kargil War. Speaks volumes of what these 4k-5k fighters did to 35,000 Indian Soldiers with 10+ squadrons of IAF Jets (that's right, over 150 Jets of the Indian Air Force)!!!

Despite all that, and the instrumental fact that these NLI fighters volunteered to go to Kargil knowing full well that there would not be any backup or support,

Despite all the above mentioned , your Govt refused to take their bodies.

Indian Government had to beg the Americans to force their pet Nawaz Sharif to back down!

Zaid-zombie delusions

Even today we hold some important stretegic positions at Kargil including the all important peak 5353! You may have a good read in "Unfinished Issues from Kargil War"

Peak 5353 was never held by India and it is surrounded on 3 sides by Indian held peak, hope it helps you sleep at night

Can you clarify the controversy about Point 5353, which has reportedly been taken over by Pakistan?

That is not true. The 1972 letter clearly shows, both on the map and in writing, that the LoC passes through 5353. Some of the Point's features are occupied by them and some by us. But the fact is that if you want to attack Point 5353, you would have to come via the Pakistani side. It is not with us. We had never occupied it. Point 5353 had been vacated by them for a while when the talks were going on. Then they reoccupied it, that's all. I don't know how this controversy started. But I saw the hand-sketched map in which somebody had put 5353 right next to Tiger Hill. That is wrong!

The Rediff Interview/ General Ved Prakash Malik



the following article which has some substance.....but only after it has sugar coated the little military gains Indian Army and Indian Air Force could achieve with fairy tales of achievements.

sugar coated the little military gains and fairy tales of achievements have something tangible to back themselves, the fact Kargil is in India's hands.

Not really......it was Nawaz Sharif that changed the game for India, diplomatically. It changed a major Indian Military embarrassment in to eventual diplomatic victory.

Nawaz Sharif who saved Pakistan from a further humiliation. In the event hypothetically India is unable to take back the peaks. India will simply open another front and escalate to full scale war to nibble territory along the border , for which neither PAF or PN was prepared.

Any patriotic leader in his position and today the Kashmir issue would have been solved under the plan of Kargil.

Delusions of epic proportions, :woot:

if you really think India will just settle Kashmir for magical loss of Kargil and Siachen, but then doesn't surprise me.
A military solution to Kashmir was not possible , is not possible, and given the current economic trend of India and Pakistan not possible in the future either.
 
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Facts about the 1999 India-Pakistan conflict in Kargil

FACT 1. Pakistan used 5,000 of its troops to infiltrate into various peaks in the Kargil sector. Some local "Mujahideen" were used, but only as porters. The NLI troops occupied a total of 132 posts.
”An Analysis of the Kargil Conflict 1999" by Brig. (Ret) Shaukat Qadir of Pakistan Army

It says; "They were occupying 132 posts of various sizes. Whereas the total number of troops occupying these posts never exceeded 1000 (from all ranks),four times this number provided the logistical backup to undertake the operation. While the occupants were essentially soldiers of the Northern Light Infantry (NLI),there were some local Mujahideen assisting as labour to carry logistical requirements."
"Pakistan: The Eye of the Storm", Owen Bennett Jones pp 91-92

Jones says; When they speak off the record, however Pakistani politicians and army officers tell a very different story, freely conceding that denials about Kargil were nothing more than barefaced lies. The Northern Light Infantry, they admit, did cross the line of control. The truth is that, just as in 1947 and 1965, Pakistan tried to fudge its offensive by saying it was carried out by volunteers and not regular troops. In reality, the Islamic militants probably accounted for no more than 10 per cent of the total force and were given only portering duties. Not all of them were from the NLI: some were commandos from the Special Services Group.

FACT 2. The PAF and PN were not consulted in the operation. The Pakistan Chief of Air Staff refused to support the Army after he was informed of this operation.

From Shaukat Qadir's analysis; "Soon thereafter ,the first formal briefing of the entire operation was made for the benefit of the prime minister in April,in the presence of the other services. Since the CNS was on a visit abroad, the navy’s reaction was voiced cautiously, but the CAS was openly critical and skeptical of the conclusion that India would not opt for an all-out war. He also voiced the view that in the event of war, the air force would not be able to provide the support that the army might seek."

FACT 3. After the initial setback, Indian Army gained many tactical victories fighting uphill despite the fact that the Pakistani NLI had dug in bunkers and were well stocked and armed.

From Shaukat Qadir's analysis; "Under cover of fire, elements of 2 Rajputana Rifles captured what the Indians called ‘Tololing top ’,(Point 45907),the most dominating height directly overlooking Dras,on 12 June. An adjacent post was captured on 13 June, and Tiger Hills (Point 5140), another dominating height, fell on 20 June. The army had continued to assert that no posts had fallen to the Indians,which reaffirms the contention that no effort was made to explain such a loss, or why it could not recur. However, in this case, it appears that Sharif found the Indian claims more credible than the Pakistan army’s denials."

"Limited Conflict Under the Nuclear Umbrella: Indian and Pakistani Lessons from the Kargil Crisis " by Ashley J. Tellis, C. Christine Fair, Jamison Jo Medby of RAND Corp"

In the above publication, the authors, while discussing the various Pakistani views of the Kargil operation, write; "A second common variant is that Kargil was a tactical success but a strategic failure. This view was also articulated by a number of in-formants and has been reiterated in various articles. Shireen Mazari, for example, has written that “the military aspect of the Kargil action was simply brilliant.” Later in the same piece she laments that India was able to “turn a military defeat into a diplomatic victory . . . [and] that Pakistan was unable to translate a tremendous military success into a politico-diplomatic victory.” Interlocutors who held this view asserted—often against the weight of evidence—that the Pakistani Army’s operational performance at Kargil was flawless, and they in-variably concluded that the Army’s attainment of strategic surprise at Kargil was in effect synonymous with the achievement of victory in the campaign writ large. Since those who hold this view entirely neglect the fact that the Indian Army, once mobilized, redeployed, and committed to eviction operations, actually secured repeated tactical victories—often against great odds—throughout the concluding half of the Kargil campaign, they continue to claim that Kargil must be chalked up as an operational victory for the Pakistani Army even if it otherwise appears to be an unnecessary political defeat for Pakistan at large."

FACT 4. Pakistan Army endorsed the decision to pull back the troops after the operation failed.

”Pak army’s research and analysis is weak " - An article by Pakistan Defense analyst Dr. Ayesha Siddiqa Agha in "The Friday Times" March 29 - April 04, 2002.

While examining the analysis by Brig. Qadir, Dr. Agha says; "There is no mention of the Indian forces hitting back after they had taken the initial beating. There is also no reference to the situation when the Pakistan Army had run out of manpower properly acclimatized to fight at such heights. Reports suggest that during the last week of the operation Pakistan had to pull out men deployed at Siachin, leaving positions there vulnerable to an Indian attack. Hence, it was in the Army’s interest to convince the prime minister to negotiate peace with the adversary. The study, however, puts the blame squarely on Nawaz Sharif who, it is claimed, had chickened out and gone to talk to the Americans and the Indians."

"Pakistan: The Eye of the Storm", Owen Bennett Jones

Jones says; "Most insiders say…that (Gen.Musharraf) was in full agreement with Shrif’s decision to go to Washington.”

FACT 5. Pakistan Army lost 2,700 men in Kargil, thereby suffering a more devastating blow than in the 1965 and 71 wars as all this happened in one small theatre of ops.

Vajpayee 'was ready to solve Kashmir'

"In his first ever interview since being deported from the country about 14 months ago, Nawaz lifted the curtain on the events that led to his downfall in October, 1999 in an interview to Urdu daily Jang where he made no secret that Kargil was a bigger disaster than 1965 and the 1971 wars because Pakistan lost over 2,700 soldiers. The entire Northern Light Infantry was wiped out. "When I reminded Musharraf of his claim that the operation will be risk-free, he replied that the Indians had resorted to carpet bombing, which looked rather naive to me," he said. "Didn't you know that this will happen?" Nawaz said he had asked his army chief. "Let me add here that Pakistanis fighting in Kashmir were without shelter, and some of the soldiers in the bunkers and outposts had been exposed to the extent that they lost their skulls by the dozens. The Indians were closing in on us when the Washington agreement was arrived at for an honourable pull back," he told the paper."


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lol, India never captured Pakistani land.
Your Mandir education with urine drinking is destroying your brain.
Ouch!

stop hanging around with prostitutes with saris in Mumbai the Syphilis must be getting to you! lol!
Ouch!

India never captured any Pakistani land. There is not data to prove such a thing. Non of the neutral media pieces state that.

The BBC never stated that Pakistan lost land.

LOL, its Indians that always boast that they regain ALL LAND, but never boast they got Pakistani land.
No Indian General stated they captured Pakistani land.

But Pakistanis always claim we gained something! LOL

Peak 5353 and some others. Peak 5353 is infamous one. I don't know if Peak 5353 was on the LOC at the time. I would to check at this. Even so, its still a loss for India, because the LOC is still further down in the Indian side. They Indians were not able to make it to Pre-1999 levels, therefore it was defeat for India, because India lost something.


Like I said, and I will keep repeating it, a tactical victory for Pakistan, but a Diplomatic victory for India.
Pakistan still has the clear advantage since we overlook the Drass-Kargil highway.

So there you go.
lol in india,mandir does not provide any education,nor does we drink any cow urine..:rofl: in order to get the pt 5353,any assalt was made on the pakistani side.. (to make a samjauta) google it proprely and search it Redirect Notice before calling indians uneducated,check your madrssa education,and stop marrying your sisters...it is really f***ing your brains out :lol:
 
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Despite all the above mentioned , your Govt refused to take their bodies.



Zaid-zombie delusions



Peak 5353 was never held by India and it is surrounded on 3 sides by Indian held peak, hope it helps you sleep at night



The Rediff Interview/ General Ved Prakash Malik





sugar coated the little military gains and fairy tales of achievements have something tangible to back themselves, the fact Kargil is in India's hands.



Nawaz Sharif who saved Pakistan from a further humiliation. In the event hypothetically India is unable to take back the peaks. India will simply open another front and escalate to full scale war to nibble territory along the border , for which neither PAF or PN was prepared.



Delusions of epic proportions, :woot:

if you really think India will just settle Kashmir for magical loss of Kargil and Siachen, but then doesn't surprise me.
A military solution to Kashmir was not possible , is not possible, and given the current economic trend of India and Pakistan not possible in the future either.

I don;t know whether Point 5353 was on the Line of Control or was on the Indian of LOC.

Point is, if it was on LOC, its a still a defeat for India, because they could push Pakistan back from Point 5353, essentially Pakistan captured Point 5353 and pushed the border further down into Indian Occupied Pakistan.

Pakistan still had a net gain while India had a net loss.

:lol:

Come and try to make LOC on Point 5353, oh wait you can't, you savages believe the "might is right", The LOC is not point 5353 anymore its further down into Indian occupied Kashmir.

Well what to do, savagery has to be dealt with savagery since the Indians don't want to settle the Kashmir dispute according to just and moral principles.

An eye for eye, because thats justice.
 
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I don;t know whether Point 5353 was on the Line of Control or was on the Indian of LOC.

Point is, if it was on LOC, its a still a defeat for India, because they could push Pakistan back from Point 5353, essentially Pakistan captured Point 5353 and pushed the border further down into Indian Occupied Pakistan.

You do know what LOC is right?


bbc-india-pak-border-near-jammu.jpg


In the above image the region between the the 2 fences is a DMZ or no mans land , thats what LOC is like a territory neither nation holds on to.

Pakistan still had a net gain while India had a net loss.

:lol:

How can it be a net loss, when India never held point 5353,

its like saying since Pakistan did not loose Quetta to India , hence Pakistan has net gain :lol: :lol: :lol:

Come and try to make LOC on Point 5353, oh wait you can't, you savages believe the "might is right", The LOC is not point 5353 anymore its further down into Indian occupied Kashmir.

Well what to do, savagery has to be dealt with savagery since the Indians don't want to settle the Kashmir dispute according to just and moral principles.
An eye for eye, because thats justice.

Give us a reason to do so, dare another Kargil
 
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We will come! Within 20 Yrs.
come on mate you couldn't even saved your rohingyas from getting butchered by the myanmar army by declaring a war on Myanmar and you think anyone here will take those chest thumbing of yours about defeating us in the next 20 years:rofl:!personally i think you guys won't be a serious threat to India in the next 100 years if not more:taz:

Malauns you will all be wiped out. China, Pakistan,Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are more united than ever. Thai land will also join our side. India will be doomed. Bloody Malaun. You will never be able to defeat the Naxals and Maoists. It will grow on and on. Let's see how you win!


2001 Indian

Our's are soldiers,your's are P ussy Monkey.
yeah yeah i know all about the nature of the bangladesh army!heck even our Bengal police will be an overkill to defeat your army:rofl:.so first go and develop your country and its economy and then we might talk about this:azn:!
 
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