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Kaman is Struggling to Resell 11 SH-2G Super Seasprites, Is PAF Interested?

Hungry for helicopters, governments worldwide have flooded aircraft makers with orders worth a king's ransom.Demand from the United States military alone has put Connecticut's Sikorsky Aircraft in contention to become the world's biggest helicopter maker, generating related work for its suppliers — among them, Kaman Corp. of Bloomfield, which makes cockpits for the famed Black Hawk and Seahawk lines.

Even as Kaman churns out parts for Sikorsky and anticipates other big projects, however, the company is struggling to resell a batch of its own helicopters, 11 sophisticated, just-barely secondhand SH-2G Super Seasprites. Today, ten of the submarine-hunting aircraft rest side by side in a warehouse on Kaman's 200-acre Bloomfield campus, their 44-foot main rotors stowed in airtight canisters and other parts packed and neatly stacked beside them. (The 11th, a demonstration aircraft, is kept elsewhere on the campus.)

"They're available now," Neal Keating, Kaman's chief executive, said last week.It's a rare case in which a global aerospace supplier is marketing the same military equipment a second time — after the government of Australia backed out of a long-sealed deal — and can offer it almost immediately.Sal Bordonaro, president of Kaman's helicopters division, put the price at "one-third the cost of a comparable aircraft." Industry analysts estimate a resale price in a range of $8 million to $15 million.

The Australians paid about $600 million for the aircraft, including spare parts, a flight simulator, service support and other materials. But after a long dispute, Australia reached a settlement in early 2008 to return all 11 aircraft — without recouping much of its investment.The aircraft themselves were originally valued at $40 million each, including software development costs, according to Kaman."Fifteen million would be a heck of a bargain, " said Mark Bobbi, an aerospace analyst in Florida.

Intended to operate from ships, the twin-engine Super Seasprites can be equipped with missiles, torpedoes, depth charges and machine guns, and can carry up to six passengers. Designed for maritime surveillance, submarine warfare, search-and-rescue missions and other naval operations, they fly at a top speed of 173 mph. Advanced touch-screen controls enable two people to operate the aircraft, down from three for a traditional Seasprite.

One full-motion flight simulator is also available.In all, Kaman says it lost — and has already written off — about $100 million on the program.The company remains solidly profitable, and its financial health does not depend on a resale. (For its fiscal third quarter ended Oct. 2, the company reported operating earnings of $14.7 million.) But reselling the Super Seasprites could help the company save some face after the failed Australia deal, one that Teal Group, a Virgina-based aerospace consultant, called "disastrous."

"Any time you have a program that is terminated, there's still some stigma associated with it," said Keating, the Kaman CEO.So Kaman, which remanufactures but has not lately made and sold new helicopters, continues to scour the earth for a nation eager to buy its souped-up Seasprites. The aircraft are descendants of a helicopter first manufactured in the 1960s that Teal Group has called "a legendary rotorcraft."

Reselling them hasn't proved easy, and it could take several more years. Navies haven't been burning through helicopters as fast as land-based forces. And 11 helicopters is a small lot for buyers looking for decades of use."Somebody who already has an existing fleet — that's exactly what you want," Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia said of Kaman's best option.

There are three current users — Egypt, New Zealand and Poland, which together operate 18. Kaman executives said they're focused on them and three other unnamed potential buyers, but also marketing to a broader group that includes NATO and undisclosed nations in South Asia, South America and Eastern Europe. Kaman is now overhauling Egypt's fleet of nine.Australia complained that Kaman failed to deliver the aircraft's advanced software systems on schedule. Kaman acknowledges this, attributing the delay to a subcontractor, and says the work has since been completed.

The company denies that the aircraft were ever unsafe, as some in Australia alleged, and Kaman said the U.S. military operated an earlier version for decades without any serious problems. The company also pointed out that Australia never acquired the type of naval ships that were to serve as the Seasprites' platform.As part of the 2008 settlement, Kaman forgave more than $30 million that Australia still owed, and promised to pay the nation about $25 million regardless of whether Kaman is able to resell the aircraft.

Kaman took a Seasprite to the Black Sea Defense and Aerospace Exhibition and Conference in Bucharest, Romania, in the fall of 2008 to advertise its availability, and has since entertained potential buyers in Bloomfield for test flights.There's no binding deal yet, but Bordonaro said he's years away from selling them for scrap."We have always believed that re-marketing the SH-2G(I)s as a cost-effective, highly capable solution to foreign militaries would be a multiyear effort," he said.

ASIAN DEFENCE: Kaman is Struggling to Resell 11 SH-2G Super Seasprites
 
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well it will be good deal for PAF hurry up PAF wakeup and buy these helicopters and stop buying anymore MI 17 we are sick of them need new helicopters
 
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The SH-2G Super Seasprite, manufactured by Kaman Aerospace, was the US Navy's front-line intermediate weight helicopter. 16 SH-2G helicopters were operational in two US Navy squadrons, HSL-94 and HSL-84. First flight of the SH-2G was in 1985 and it entered service with the US Navy in 1993. The SH-2G Super Seasprite was retired from service with the US Navy Air Reserve in May 2001.

The Super Seasprite SH-2G can be equipped for anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASuW), over-the-horizon-targeting airborne mine countermeasures (AMCM), surveillance, search and rescue (SAR) and covert operations.

The Australian Navy ordered 11 aircraft for Anzac Class frigates in 1997. Deliveries began in 2001 and ten have been delivered. The Australian SH-2G(A) is fitted with the Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) integrated tactical avionics system (ITAS), digital automatic flight control system and Penguin missile.

The SH-2G(A) received provisional acceptance into service in October 2003. The helicopters were grounded in May 2006, after problems with the flight control system and ITAS software.

A review of the programme was initiated in May 2006 and, in May 2007, the RAN decided to continue with the project rather than pursue alternatives.

However in March 2008, the RAN finally announced the cancellation of the programme. The helicopters are being returned to Kaman for possible sale to another customer. Any profits obtained will be shared between Kaman and the Australian government.

The New Zealand Navy also ordered five aircraft in 1997, for two Anzac frigates and the Leander Class frigate, HMNZS Canterbury. Deliveries completed in March 2003 and all five have entered service. The New Zealand SH-2G is armed with Maverick missiles.

Egypt ordered ten SH-2G(E), equipped with dipping sonar and digital hover coupler, in 1995. Deliveries were completed in 1998.

The Polish Navy has four SH-2G, which were transferred from the US Navy in 2002/3, to serve on ex-USN Oliver Hazard Perry frigates.

In 1996, the US Navy took delivery of the Kaman Magic Lantern laser mine detection system which was fitted on the Super Seasprite for airborne mine countermeasures (AMCM) missions.

Cockpit

The SH-2G has a crew of three: two pilots and a sensor operator (SENSO). However, it can also be flown by a single pilot and SENSO, due to the flexible Integrated Tactical Avionics System (ITAS) designed by Kaman and Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) Guidance & Controls. ITAS is driven by dual mission data processors and uses two dual 1553B databuses to integrate sensors, weapons, communications and navigation equipment.

"The SH-2G has a crew of three: two pilots and a SENSO."The glass cockpit has four colour multifunction displays and new centre console, which has two smart display units to simplify data entry by the pilot and the SENSO.

Weapons

The SH-2G can be armed with Raytheon AGM-65 Maverick infrared imaging or TV-guided, Penguin infrared imaging, radar-guided Improved Sea Skua, and laser-designated Hellfire missiles.

The SH-2G is cleared for mk44, mk46 and mk50 torpedoes, and is compatible with a wide range of European ASW weapons.

Royal New Zealand Navy SH-2Gs have been fitted with the Fabrique Nationale (FN) MAG-58M 7.62mm machinegun as an urgent operational requirement. First operational deployment with the gun was in May 2008.

Countermeasures

The SH-2G(A) for Australia has Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) AN/ALR-93 Electronic Protection Measures, ATK AN/AAR-47 missile warning system, BAE Systems North America (formerly Sanders) AN/ALQ-144 infrared jammers and twin BAE Systems Integrated Defense Solutions (formerly Tracor) AN/ALE-39 flare and chaff dispensers. The SH-2G's for New Zealand are fitted with Northrop Grumman LR-100 ESM.

Sensors

The Northrop Grumman LN-66HP multi-mode radar provides the helicopter with ASW, ASuW and anti-ship surveillance and targeting (ASST) capability. Alternative multi-mode radar fits available include Northrop Grumman LN-66 HP Enhanced, BAE Systems Seaspray, and Telephonics APS-143 advanced search radar. The APS-143, chosen by New Zealand, has optional Inverse Synthetic Aperture (ISAR) mode.

The Raytheon AN/AAQ-16 FLIR (forward-looking infrared) is available with a laser designator. The SH-2Gs for New Zealand are fitted with a FLIR Systems AN/AAQ-22 thermal imager.

The SH-2 Seasprite helicopter relays acoustic data from sonobuoys back to the host ship for processing via AKT-22 datalink. On the SH-2G, an autonomous submarine hunting capability has been introduced using Computing Devices UYS-503 onboard acoustic processor to analyse returns from its own buoys.

"The SH-2G is cleared for Mk 44, Mk 46 and Mk 50 torpedoes."Northrop Grumman ASN-150 tactical navigation (TACNAV) system displays a refined tactical plot and downlinks the picture to its own ship or other ASW platforms.

For the Egyptian requirement, the SH-2G(E) is equipped with L-3 Communications AN/AQS-18A active dipping sonar and digital hover coupler.

Magic lantern

The SH-2G Super Seasprite was the first helicopter qualified with the Kaman Magic Lantern airborne laser mine detection system. The Magic Lantern pod uses a blue-green laser and charge-coupled device (CCD) cameras to sweep the ocean from the surface to below the keel depth of warships. Magic Lantern provides mine classification symbology and video imagery on the existing ASN-1 50 displays.

Engines

SH-2G is fitted with General Electric T700-GE-401 engines. The T700-401 is rated 1,412shp. Second-generation composite main rotor blades (CMRB2) have been fitted on the Super Seasprite, which incorporate filament wound S-glass spars, glass skins, aramid honeycomb cores and aramid trailing edges.
 
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But the question is will America be willing to allow the purchase of these Helicopters.And i Think That these helicopters will be Useful for Army Aviation rather than PAF.Correct me If i am wrong
 
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It's best application will be with navy and our navy lacks such platform.
It can compliment our orions, yet can fly from the frigates.
 
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yes for sure PAF cant use it becoz it is for them useless not army too but it will be deadly in out naval air arm arsenal for sure this is not kind of a weapon which usa not sell if they are selling F 16 than this will not going to make any difference if they are upgrading our P3C this will not going to be big deal i dont know why we use to scare from USA that much that they willl not sell us this or that yes if it is F 22 yes they will not sell us becoz it is hard to get if seaspirit they dont sell us we can get same sort of thing from other countries such as france they need money for this we give them this is coming cheap and if we buy them we can use them with 6 frigates which usa will transfer to us in august it is not a bog deal
 
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Sri Lankan always bring different topics ending with "Is PAF interested?". Come on man we need money to buy these gadgets and PAF can buy 1 or 2 or 4 gadgets but not everything :(
 
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^^ Pakistan spend more than the amount mentioned on the foreign tours of politicians.
this machine will never make it through Pakistan censor board. ;) .
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But the question is will America be willing to allow the purchase of these Helicopters.And i Think That these helicopters will be Useful for Army Aviation rather than PAF.Correct me If i am wrong

hmm, i agree with you! will the sell it to us?
 
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^^ Pakistan spend more than the amount mentioned on the foreign tours of politicians.
this machine will never make it through Pakistan censor board. ;) .
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hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahaaha pakistani cennsor board hahahahahah sir heads of for u for nice pic but frankly pakistan can get this if we cut down one political tour for sure
 
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I am also in Bloomfield, CT! It's not a big city, didn't know that such a company is in the vicinity.:smokin:
 
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