Just walk away:Time to dump Pakistan

[Sprint]

Has everybody taken leave of their senses. Please stop talking nonsense like brainless people. Has anybody got even tiny bit of brain left to understand the consequence of nuclear fallout. Do not start bashing me that you know, because had you known you would have never thought of it (lest write/discuss). Let me give you a very simple example, go to see a person at your nearest hospital where people are given radiotherapy. I do not know how many people have any of you treated/faced/helped or worked with (this is my daily job) Just have a look at them and think what would an uncontrolled nuclear fall out result into when controlled radiotherapy has such consequence.

Also to my friends on both sides of Indo-Pak border, could anybody highlight one single ACHIEVEMENT that either side made in three wars proir to being nuclear and one after that, except for killing people.

If God has blessed you all, by giving to power of reasoning then at least use a little of your brain otherwise when you return to your bhagwan or allah tell them whatever brain you gave me I saved all and brought back to you.

Shameless morons

 

[Machoman]

If Pakistan military is not capable handling few Taliban then for past 60 years how come Indians cowed military did not have guts to enter in our land? One attack on Mumbai and you all start crying like babies. Pakistan Army and Military is the most finest army and Air force in the world, don’t ever have doubt about Pakistan’s Power again.

 

[maverick2009]

For get iNDIA VERSIS PAKISTAN.

One simple question.

IF USA walked away tonite and stopped the 1.5 billion dollar aid and cancelled all ARMS agreements.

WOULD PAKISTAN be better off ??????????

Could they sort the SWAT border TALIBAN problem.
Could they prevent total Econmic collapse

Will china give Pakistan billions $$$ in grant aid like USA has done.

will china have enough political/ industrial muscle to prevent next indo pak stand off going into a war like usa clearly has.

Can Pakistan afford to lose USA to india completely ????

 

[Machoman]

Same question did USA have any other option other then Pakistan, who need more? USA need Pakistan more or Pakistan need USA more you tell me? Did USA wants Nuke to go in Taliban hands? defiantly not then this is the # 1 concern for USA right now. "You scratch my back and I scratch yours SIMPLE!"

 

[roadrunner]

Can Pakistan afford to lose USA to india completely ????

Yes, why not?

USA is not a rising nation. The sun is setting on its economy, China is the land of the rising economic sun. The US will be hovering somewhere behind Brazil in time if current trends hold, it simply won't have the economic output it does currently.

It would be poetic justice if, when America is no longer number 1 economically and militarily, Pakistan treated it as an ally of convenience in the same way the US currently does to Pakistan.

 

[maverick2009]

Pakistan Taliban & Nukes

Wat a bloody Mess

 

[roadrunner]

Pakistan Taliban & Nukes

Wat a bloody Mess

That was a bright comment

You clearly have a knowledge gap if you think the Taliban can get their hands on Pakistani nukes, which have been verified as 100% safe by weapons inspectors.

 

[Machoman]

This is not my concern America's Concern ok, as a Pakistani I know this is not a walk in a park to get hands on Nukes. I am just responding him what America's thinking is? and why they are supporting Pakistan.

 

[linkinpark]

If Pakistan military is not capable handling few Taliban then for past 60 years how come Indians cowed military did not have guts to enter in our land? One attack on Mumbai and you all start crying like babies. Pakistan Army and Military is the most finest army and Air force in the world, don’t ever have doubt about Pakistan’s Power again.

We did and broke it into two pieces. 1971 any one?.

The finest army on the earth, for some reason, is unable to hold on to its land (NWFP, FATA, SWAT, Buner in that order) which is what it was constituted for.

 

[roadrunner]

This is not my concern America's Concern ok, as a Pakistani I know this is not a walk in a park to get hands on Nukes. I am just responding him what America's thinking is? and why they are supporting Pakistan.

America is supporting Pakistan because it wants to get some regional influence. Perhaps look like the good guy in the area too. 90% is just scripted i think.

 

[roadrunner]

We did and broke it into two pieces. 1971 any one?.

True, but you could only do it with the help of millions of East Pakistani citizens. One on one, you didn't succeed on two attempts.

 

[linkinpark]

True, but you could only do it with the help of millions of East Pakistani citizens. One on one, you didn't succeed on two attempts.

Suit yourself. This dead horse has been flogged innumerable times on this forum. Lets move on.

 

[blain2]

Those numbers include ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri pandits perpetrated by militants, civilians dying in cross-fire between militant and army, militants and army themselves and that too in a conflict of more than a decade. But villages and towns were never leveled off in Kashmir unlike PA has been doing, example being Loe Sam.

What difference does that make? All casualties of fighting a CI war.

Give PA some credit please. This is not a case of shock and awe. These are our people and the operations are being conducted with this in mind thus the cautious approach and giving talks a chance every step of the way. The only places where "shops" were leveled was Loi Sam as you mentioned because the main road runs right in between the commercial area. To avoid costly fighting in BUAs, this was done so (and very rightly so too) AFTER evacuating all of the population. Every single time there has been fighting, the GoP has compensated people and villagers for damages to their homes and properties. We understand these are our people and we are taking extreme care in many operations.

The fact that our troops are being targeted by suicide bombers in cars is an indication that most do not understand. If we wanted to, we could simply tell the locals that not a single car would be on the road when FC/Army convoys move, however this causes hardship to and resentment amongst the people thus it was not done. While in Iraq, to allow for proper force protection, the US troops make sure that no Iraqi vehicles are on-route. Big difference here and there my friend. Do not even try to paint us as not knowing what we are doing in FATA and Swat.

The fact of the matter is that nothing would please the likes of you. If PA goes easy, you will cry that PA is inept and not fighting it like it should be done (IA has certainly done no miracles here) and if the Army ever went in heavy, you would be the first one to cry foul saying look they are just cruel.

 

[Sprint]

If Pakistan military is not capable handling few Taliban then for past 60 years how come Indians cowed military did not have guts to enter in our land? One attack on Mumbai and you all start crying like babies. Pakistan Army and Military is the most finest army and Air force in the world, don’t ever have doubt about Pakistan’s Power again.

Enough .....
Cut the crap. Fighting army and fighting militia is like ... (i better not draw an analogy).
Army is trained to defend whereas militia has one mantra kill and get killed. A trained army would not fire a single bullet unreasonably and millitents do exactly the opposite.
Indian cowed military did not have guts because it cannot go wild. It is bound by national and international norms and has civilian (read common sense) control over it where as every millitant is complete authority in itself. So rationalize your arguement before arguing.
Wars are won and lost but that doesnot undermine the zeal of a warrior so honour that. Winning and loosing is nothing but triumph of ignorants.

I donot know anybody in the world who has won a war in battlefield or in a court. If you know give me one name....

 

[Machoman]

Wow, Mr philosopher I think you should give your advice to your leaders who were pushing for a war after Mumbai attack.