deckingraj
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@Ice_man
If that is the intention and truth great...However India stand is that we have given enough proof's and leads that Pak investigation agencies can use to convict saeed. Anyways that is the job of your investigation agencies. Our stand is you are not sincere about it and we are trying to put diplomatic pressure fo you to do more... Do you see anything wrong in it?? If not then we both are in agreement here...
Comon man...Do you honestly believe it??? I know LOC is not border but does that mean it has no relevance??? If we dont respect it how can you expect a peaceful resolution to Kashmir??? What would be your logic/reaction if India do the same kargil and enter ***(Azad Kashmir).. NO my friend thats what agreements are about(refer to Shimla Agreement)...Both sides need to respect LOC till we have a peaceful resolution...
We have LAC with China as well but apart from odd incursions from both side it has been a peaceful border..
Anyways what i was trying to explain was that there are lot of disimilarity between Siachen and Kargil and your logic that India did siachen we did Kargil is flawed. If you think otherwise please challenge my points(that i shared in my previous post) with your counter points and lets avoid to go in cirlces...
Ofcourse buddy the timing was wrong..Not just militarily but strategically and economically as well.. It was a diplomatic blunder on Pakistan side...I hope you remember international reaction to Kargil..pakistan was termed as aggressor and just after the war your country went into turmoil(military coup, stock exchange went for a toss etc etc)...whereas exactly opposite happened in india...
Anyways my point was when both sides took such a bold step of improving relations don't you think it was wrong move to do kargil??? Did kargil imprived relations??? Did kargil resulted in resoltion?? Is india on negotiation table??? These are few questions one should ask....
Thanks for sharing the link ..Though i find this logic flawed.. May i ask what do you think was the objective of Lahore trip by Mr Vajpayee...To watch Bhangda on wagah border and enjoy tea at Lahore??? No my dear friend it was to increase amicable relations and solve all pending issues including Kashmir
No it is not..I will explain below
What shall india come up to table with??? How are you going to resolve an issue if you dont even have a stand on the issue??? ... Our stand is Kashmir is an integral part of India..Your stand is India's claim on Kashmir is illegal and Kashmir issue should be resolved with pleblicite... How is that a conclusion.....We have a conflict only because we have different stands....
Only dialogue can lead to a solution which is acceptable to both the parties...Pakistan cannot ignore india's sentiments and vice versa on Kashmir and thats the reason converting LOC to IB seems to be a viable option..Something even comtemplated by Musharraf(obviously in different wording) and i shared the link with you...
Thanks for that...Though i dont want to play i want to have constructive discussion..ok let's play it your way.....
well see i guess we want HAFEEZ hanged but then again lack of evidence similar to the lack of evidecne against tytler & parohit has lead hafeez to be a free man and that is what i implied! but IF HAFEEZ is GUILTY he will be tried under our law & justice will prevail! no quiestion
about it!
If that is the intention and truth great...However India stand is that we have given enough proof's and leads that Pak investigation agencies can use to convict saeed. Anyways that is the job of your investigation agencies. Our stand is you are not sincere about it and we are trying to put diplomatic pressure fo you to do more... Do you see anything wrong in it?? If not then we both are in agreement here...
well firstly LoC means LINE OF CONTROL so whoever controls whicever part its his so Kargil is actually not crossing the border my friend! and ehance you will never hear of skrimishes in punjab or sindh between indian army & pak army! but you will always hear about skrimishes in the LoC region! both sides try to get the upper hand....
Comon man...Do you honestly believe it??? I know LOC is not border but does that mean it has no relevance??? If we dont respect it how can you expect a peaceful resolution to Kashmir??? What would be your logic/reaction if India do the same kargil and enter ***(Azad Kashmir).. NO my friend thats what agreements are about(refer to Shimla Agreement)...Both sides need to respect LOC till we have a peaceful resolution...
We have LAC with China as well but apart from odd incursions from both side it has been a peaceful border..
Anyways what i was trying to explain was that there are lot of disimilarity between Siachen and Kargil and your logic that India did siachen we did Kargil is flawed. If you think otherwise please challenge my points(that i shared in my previous post) with your counter points and lets avoid to go in cirlces...
and you go on to say the "timing was wrong" well the timing was wrong in terms of military preparedness!! our army discounted the airforce factor completely....but that is another discussion for another day! and you said it was musharraf's dream and not just india's well this link will be a good read for you
Ofcourse buddy the timing was wrong..Not just militarily but strategically and economically as well.. It was a diplomatic blunder on Pakistan side...I hope you remember international reaction to Kargil..pakistan was termed as aggressor and just after the war your country went into turmoil(military coup, stock exchange went for a toss etc etc)...whereas exactly opposite happened in india...
Anyways my point was when both sides took such a bold step of improving relations don't you think it was wrong move to do kargil??? Did kargil imprived relations??? Did kargil resulted in resoltion?? Is india on negotiation table??? These are few questions one should ask....
Musharraf defends Kargil, says he brought Kashmir to the negotiation table
Thanks for sharing the link ..Though i find this logic flawed.. May i ask what do you think was the objective of Lahore trip by Mr Vajpayee...To watch Bhangda on wagah border and enjoy tea at Lahore??? No my dear friend it was to increase amicable relations and solve all pending issues including Kashmir
so see calling it "pragmatic" or "integral" part of india is concluding the negotiation before even starting!
No it is not..I will explain below
i said before indian cannot come to table with a mind set that kashmir is our integral part and the pragmatic solution is to make LoC the International Border! that is a conclusion india has already planned how can we talk further!
What shall india come up to table with??? How are you going to resolve an issue if you dont even have a stand on the issue??? ... Our stand is Kashmir is an integral part of India..Your stand is India's claim on Kashmir is illegal and Kashmir issue should be resolved with pleblicite... How is that a conclusion.....We have a conflict only because we have different stands....
if you want my honest opinon there is no point of "DILAOUGE" with india when india comes to the table with a conclusion already in mind....both sides need to be flexible
Only dialogue can lead to a solution which is acceptable to both the parties...Pakistan cannot ignore india's sentiments and vice versa on Kashmir and thats the reason converting LOC to IB seems to be a viable option..Something even comtemplated by Musharraf(obviously in different wording) and i shared the link with you...