July 7th hearing on Aafia Siddiqui Competence

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Asim Aquil,

Not a single fact in your entire rant. Ranting and raving about the evil US does not constitute information. Did you even read what ajpirzada said above? What is the point in discussing anything with you if you will only regurgitate your prejudices?

Dude, you guys are acting like kidnappers and hostage takers... There is no point in talking to you guys about this, till you don't right your wrongs, you'll hear more of the same.

Do you honestly think this is NOT evil? When even half of something like this happens to an American you guys are jumping up n down like monkeys ranting and raving about human rights and all that. But to you Pakistanis are dirt scum and a little torture is just okay.

Its quite pathetic.

 

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Dude, you guys are acting like kidnappers and hostage takers... There is no point in talking to you guys about this, till you don't right your wrongs, you'll hear more of the same.

Do you honestly think this is NOT evil? When even half of something like this happens to an American you guys are jumping up n down like monkeys ranting and raving about human rights and all that. But to you Pakistanis are dirt scum and a little torture is just okay.

Its quite pathetic.

About facts... Mind explaining the inconsistency in your GOVERNMENT whereby they acknowledge arresting her on July 17th, 2008 where a media article exists:
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Before that the wimps running this pathetic show in your country could not even acknowledge holding her there.

 

[A1Kaid]

Dude, you guys are acting like kidnappers and hostage takers... There is no point in talking to you guys about this, till you don't right your wrongs, you'll hear more of the same.

Do you honestly think this is NOT evil? When even half of something like this happens to an American you guys are jumping up n down like monkeys ranting and raving about human rights and all that. But to you Pakistanis are dirt scum and a little torture is just okay.

Its quite pathetic.

Excellent point, when it happens to Christians in Pakistan, the Americans respond strongly and emotionally, specifically TS makes countless threads about it on the forum... Even though mainstream Pakistanis on this forum always condemn the crimes in their posts.

Though when the crimes are committed by their own US personnel the Americans go out of their way to defend criminality and evilness.


Hypocrites, I've experienced this utter stupidity and hypocrisy for more than a decade in this country.

Trust me I know.

 

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i dont know where are her children but afia was living freely (till late 2007)accordin to her husband. he wrote a really really big article in one of the urdu new paper. he also said that she always used to talk about jihad etc
im only sayin wat his husband said so dont blame for not takin her side. only God knows the truth.

The ex-husband you mean. They separated a long time back.

The ex-husband has probably done more suspicious behavior than her, apparently this was one of the stories they spun along with the Khalid Sheikh connection. One of the charges used against HER is that the ex-Husband was known to have purchased some military hardware (whatever that means).

That was all BS probably since they are only trying her for firing at US soldiers when the heroic soldiers apparently rescued her . Its all so laughable.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

She is innocent and is at the hands of SICK people.
Afia is an example of how the Law Enforcement Agencies in US use to handle women in prison .
I will not say that she should be sent back to Pakistan why because i have lost hope that will she ever be freed .
If US continues to detain her , it will only promote its bad Image .
I feel soory for her

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed.

Barry Goldwater


The mighty faces its defeat on the course of protecting its might.

 

[A1Kaid]

It was Pakistani authorities who handed her over to US-CIA agents, correct me if I am wrong. They handed her over to evil people, they handed a Pakistani citizen without strong evidence without a free and fair just trial, but because of US demands, despicable people within our country handed over one of our citizens to be tortured and...








"On July 7, 2008 the Daily Times of Pakistan quoted British journalist Yvonne Ridley that a Pakistani woman had been held in solitary confinement, for years, in the Bagram Theater internment facility [15] [16]. Her identity remains unconfirmed. She has been nicknamed the "gray lady of Bagram". However Ridley speculates that she is Aafia Siddiqui.

Moazzam Begg and several other former captives have reported that a female prisoner, prisoner 650, was held in Bagram.[16] According to The Daily Times and Adnkronos news service the former captives report she has lost her sanity, and cries all the time. Ridley wrote about Bagram's "Prisoner 650" and her ordeal of torture and repeatedly being raped for over four years. "The cries of (this) helpless woman echoed (with such torment) in the jail that (it) prompted prisoners to go on hunger strike." Ridley called her a "gray lady (because) she (was) almost a ghost, a spectre whose cries and screams continue to haunt those who heard her. This would never happen to a Western woman."

Iqbal Jaafree, a Pakistani lawyer, petitioned a Pakistani court for a hearing to determine Siddiqui's location."

Source withheld, though several news sources have published this report.



Damn the traitors of this country and damn our enemies.

 

[muse]

Even Saudi Arabia, the fountainhead of Wahabi/Salafi militancy plague unleashed on the world, now regrets and begins to act against those it once saw as a leading edge in the promotion of Islamism -- Why was this Aafia Siddiqui held in Bagram? What is she accused of?


And, if as is done in Saudi with those who are proved to have been part of Islamist militancy, by aiding or abbetting - should her life be spared??


And what of the rights of the Victims of Islamist miltancy groups and their operatives?? What of their relatives and children??

Any answer to this A1kaid??



Saudi security courts convict 330 ‘Qaeda terrorists’

* Rights groups criticise government for holding secret trials

RIYADH: Special security courts in Saudi Arabia have tried 330 terrorists for being involved in Al Qaeda-sponsored attacks from 2003 to 2006 across the country, the justice ministry said on Wednesday.

In the first of the long-awaited trials of 991 arrested suspects, unspecified individuals were convicted for conspiring with Al Qaeda to disrupt national security and financing terrorism, the ministry said in a statement. “These charges include membership of a deviant group (Al Qaeda) and involvement in its activities, communicating and working with foreign agencies to conspire against national security by causing mayhem and insecurity,” the ministry said. The sentences ranged from house arrests to imprisonment and, in one case, death penalty, according to a government-linked television. More than 100 people were killed in the attacks, exposing Saudi government’s vulnerability and convincing the Saudi leaders of Al Qaeda’s presence in the country.

Rights groups: Human rights activists had criticised the government for holding the trials in secret, especially when the charges were vague and the suspects were denied the fundamental rights including legal aid in their defence. Justice ministry spokesman Abdullah al Saadan said the defendants had been accorded the right to hire a lawyer in the special security courts. However, Christopher Wilcke of a Human Rights Watch said on Wednesday according to his information from different sources, including contacts with some of the accused and their families, the convicts were not given legal representation and Saudi human rights groups had not attended the trials, despite promises to do so.

The rights groups estimated that in addition to the 991 charged in the Al Qaeda-sponsored attacks, the Saudis held more than 2,000 suspects without any charge for a similar alleged crime.afp

 

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Even Saudi Arabia, the fountainhead of Wahabi/Salafi militancy plague unleashed on the world, now regrets and begins to act against those it once saw as a leading edge in the promotion of Islamism -- Why was this Aafia Siddiqui held in Bagram? What is she accused of?


And, if as is done in Saudi with those who are proved to have been part of Islamist militancy, by aiding or abbetting - should her life be spared??


And what of the rights of the Victims of Islamist miltancy groups and their operatives?? What of their relatives and children??

Any answer to this A1kaid??



Saudi security courts convict 330 ‘Qaeda terrorists’

* Rights groups criticise government for holding secret trials

RIYADH: Special security courts in Saudi Arabia have tried 330 terrorists for being involved in Al Qaeda-sponsored attacks from 2003 to 2006 across the country, the justice ministry said on Wednesday.

In the first of the long-awaited trials of 991 arrested suspects, unspecified individuals were convicted for conspiring with Al Qaeda to disrupt national security and financing terrorism, the ministry said in a statement. “These charges include membership of a deviant group (Al Qaeda) and involvement in its activities, communicating and working with foreign agencies to conspire against national security by causing mayhem and insecurity,” the ministry said. The sentences ranged from house arrests to imprisonment and, in one case, death penalty, according to a government-linked television. More than 100 people were killed in the attacks, exposing Saudi government’s vulnerability and convincing the Saudi leaders of Al Qaeda’s presence in the country.

Rights groups: Human rights activists had criticised the government for holding the trials in secret, especially when the charges were vague and the suspects were denied the fundamental rights including legal aid in their defence. Justice ministry spokesman Abdullah al Saadan said the defendants had been accorded the right to hire a lawyer in the special security courts. However, Christopher Wilcke of a Human Rights Watch said on Wednesday according to his information from different sources, including contacts with some of the accused and their families, the convicts were not given legal representation and Saudi human rights groups had not attended the trials, despite promises to do so.

The rights groups estimated that in addition to the 991 charged in the Al Qaeda-sponsored attacks, the Saudis held more than 2,000 suspects without any charge for a similar alleged crime.afp

Its a good bet, that not all of these secretly tried personnel would be guilty, some of them would be victims of persecution. But then thats it, the US justice system is at par with that of the Saudis, then. As a Pakistani we should first speak up for our own.

I mean our own guys are no saints and heads should roll for handing her over. I picked up a book you recommended. It narrates the incident between the FIA director and Iftikhar Choudhary. The Americans were pushing to keep some terrorism suspect under custody, called Basit. the CJ called the director to his office and very politely said "Please bring Basit to court tomorrow, he is going on trial". FIA guy is like "Huh? Who Basit?", then the CJ says "Ok then you should be in court tomorrow under charges of kidnapping". The next day Basit was in court.

After that the US embassy went into motion to get the CJ out. They found a lot of resistance from the Army and they had to convince a whole lot of people for Musharraf.

-- The Duel, Tariq Ali

The Americans really need a guy like our CJ who can deliver these tough messages. Justice is justice. Don't pussy-foot around it to hide your screw ups. They have a history of just burying up uncomfortable situations and rolling over the little guy. Recall the "Bay of pigs thing" comment by Nixon.

"Chup, chup, daba doh"

 

[muse]

Asim

Don't you want to wait for her trial before you object or protest?

Did we give her up or was she arrested in Afghanistan? What was she doing in Afghanistan? On behalf of whom??

As a Pakistani we should first speak up for our own

Good, bad, right and wrong - these are our criteria - now if a alleged criminal is Pakistani, are the crimes alleged washed clean because he or she may be Pakistani?

I will grant you or I may not agree that the trial in Saudi is what we should see as a transparent process, but I must admit to it's efficiency in this matter and admit that I envy the sure footedness of such "justice" in the kind of time we are experiencing.


But some are convinced otherwise and for these, we offer:


Saudi cleric condemns Taliban, Al Qaeda

ISLAMABAD: Dr Saleh Bin Fouzan Al Fouzan, a member of the Senior Clerics Commission of Saudi Arabia, on Wednesday condemned terrorist activities carried out in Pakistan in the name of Islam by Al Qaeda and the Taliban. According to a statement issued by the Saudi embassy in Islamabad, Dr Saleh said Al Qaeda and the Taliban did not pursue jihad but anarchy, adding that jihad did not permit the killing of innocent people, but was a way to spread Allah’s message. He said the youth who were carrying out suicide attacks and killing other Muslims had no knowledge of Islam or jihad, adding that picking up a weapon and resorting to mindless violence was definitely not jihad. staff report

 

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Muse, I think they are going to bypass tge trial by saying she is mentally unfit and keep her in lockdown forever. or imagine that they nullify her testimony by writing her off as a mad woman.

there is some confusion as to how she ended up in prison. the americans have changed stories a lot of times. its the damn disappearing wmds again.

I havent asked for a blanket pardon for Pakistanis. Just that theres definitely something rotten in this court. p

 

[TruthSeeker]

About facts... Mind explaining the inconsistency in your GOVERNMENT whereby they acknowledge arresting her on July 17th, 2008 where a media article exists:
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Before that the wimps running this pathetic show in your country could not even acknowledge holding her there.

There is no evidence that she was ever held by the US before her arrest in Kabul in 2008. The Daily Times piece is unsubstantiated anti-US propaganda.

 

[TruthSeeker]

there is some confusion as to how she ended up in prison. the americans have changed stories a lot of times. its the damn disappearing wmds again.

There is no confusion. The Americans haven't changed their story. If she was held at Bagram why didn't she say so in open court last Monday when she had the chance?

Where are her children? Where is her son??

Her son was given to Pakistan. What has Pakistan done with him? Why doesn't THAT bother you? If Pakistan cares so much about her, let them have her son tell the world what happened to he and his mother!!!!

 

[TruthSeeker]

Excellent point, when it happens to Christians in Pakistan, the Americans respond strongly and emotionally, specifically TS makes countless threads about it on the forum... Even though mainstream Pakistanis on this forum always condemn the crimes in their posts.

I have posted only three threads about the treatment of Christians in Pakistan on this forum since I joined in November, 2008. All articles from Pakistani news sources. Your statement is typical of your constant exaggerations

 

[ajpirzada]

The ex-husband you mean. They separated a long time back.

The ex-husband has probably done more suspicious behavior than her, apparently this was one of the stories they spun along with the Khalid Sheikh connection. One of the charges used against HER is that the ex-Husband was known to have purchased some military hardware (whatever that means).

That was all BS probably since they are only trying her for firing at US soldiers when the heroic soldiers apparently rescued her . Its all so laughable.

sir u can negate any story and also accept any. but again that will only help you convince urself and not others. rit now i dont have any reason to reject or accept his side of the story. there is also a big question mark on that picture u posted. according to her ex-husband, that pic was taken by her sister while she was livin with him. if you clearly look at the picture, ull see a white wall paper behind her which im sure we dont get in any prison.
having said that, there is no ample proof against her. even her husband didnt mention her having any kind of links with terrorist groups. and i also think there is no such proof available. that is the reason y she is being tried for attackin a US soldier (only God know wat kind of interrogation he was doin) and not for terrorist links. knowing the kind of torture US carries out, i wouldnt blame anyone for attackin the interrogator.

 

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sir u can negate any story and also accept any. but again that will only help you convince urself and not others. rit now i dont have any reason to reject or accept his side of the story. there is also a big question mark on that picture u posted. according to her ex-husband, that pic was taken by her sister while she was livin with him. if you clearly look at the picture, ull see a white wall paper behind her which im sure we dont get in any prison.
having said that, there is no ample proof against her. even her husband didnt mention her having any kind of links with terrorist groups. and i also think there is no such proof available. that is the reason y she is being tried for attackin a US soldier (only God know wat kind of interrogation he was doin) and not for terrorist links. knowing the kind of torture US carries out, i wouldnt blame anyone for attackin the interrogator.

well thats true, I may be totally wrong and she may be a vile terrorist getting what she deserves. But may bes, aren't a good enough reason to do this to someone.

So far the US seems knee deep as the real guilty party no matter how you look at it. Even that bit about the wallpaper... Hmmm to me it just seemed like white chuna, you can even see that wear n tear of that wall.

But the US has not even gone on trial for its abuses against her, right now its the fight for the freedom of a person the US cannot prove guilty.