Joko Wins Re-Election in Indonesia, Defeating Hard-Line Former General

[Handshake]

Congratulation indonesian brothers.
Jokowi did a great job last time to stop corruption.

 

[rambro]

Not only because the cost is too high, but also because it is against moral and rational. Indonesia is also already very big and many of the island outside Java are still less populated.

It is a Jokowi vision to spread development across Indonesia. He has so far proven his vision by pouring money for infrastructure outside Java and also spend huge money on villages across Indonesia during his first term in office. His latest plan on its second term is to move Indonesian capital from Java into outside Java to make Indonesia is not Java centric anymore. Kalimantan island is chosen since it is located in the center of the archipelago, it also has low density population, and safer geological condition.

Agree, infra is the veins of development
He gets it, good times for indonesians.

 

[Indos]

Congratulation indonesian brothers.
Jokowi did a great job last time to stop corruption.

Thanks bro

Actually Indonesian success in fighting corruption started by KPK (Indonesian Anti Corruption Commission) since 2004. It is KPK which is praised by many Indonesians as a successful institution in term of eradicating corruption in the country, not Jokowi. But Jokowi is also famous as a clean leader and has made many reform to improve our bureaucracy efficiency. Compared to previous government, his administration is also much cleaner.

 

[Indos]

National Mandate Party and Democrat Party (Prabowo camp) have already accepted the result.

 

[nufix]

National Mandate Party and Democrat Party (Prabowo camp) have already accepted the result.

But not Prabowo himself, he is the center of the opposition resistance now. I knew it since last election. His appetite for power is dangerous and cancerous. He would rather be a king of the ashes than accept defeat.

 

[Indos]

But not Prabowo himself, he is the center of the opposition resistance now. I knew it since last election. His appetite for power is dangerous and cancerous. He would rather be a king of the ashes than accept defeat.

At least two opposition parties have used their rational and put national interest above their group interest. It is a good sign though. Prabowo struggle to reject the result have been weaken significantly, now he only has PKS and Gerindra on his side. I also predict that PKS will eventually accept the result once Constitution Court make their decision on the alleged fraud on election. PKS know that their probability to win presidency is big for 2024 as Jokowi cannot not run again, no need to sacrifice too much for Prabowo sake for 2019 election. Once PKS accept the result, the chance to have people power will be avoided since it is PKS who has actually had a fanatic follower. If you saw last election campaign of Prabowo in Jakarta you will know that all of the supporter gathering in GBK are in majority Islamist from PAN and PKS.

Nevertheless it is our biggest test in our democracy that we have now candidate who threaten to challenge election result on the street. If we pass this test it will make our democracy more solid and mature, inshaAllah. I believe we will be able to move forward, inshaAllah.

 

[Brainsucker]

At least two opposition parties have used their rational and put national interest above their group interest. It is a good sign though. Prabowo struggle to reject the result have been weaken significantly, now he only has PKS and Gerindra on his side. I also predict that PKS will eventually accept the result once Constitution Court make their decision on the alleged fraud on election. PKS know that their probability to win presidency is big for 2024 as Jokowi cannot not run again, no need to sacrifice too much for Prabowo sake for 2019 election. Once PKS accept the result, the chance to have people power will be avoided since it is PKS who has actually had a fanatic follower. If you saw last election campaign of Prabowo in Jakarta you will know that all of the supporter gathering in GBK are in majority Islamist from PAN and PKS.

Nevertheless it is our biggest test in our democracy that we have now candidate who threaten to challenge election result on the street. If we pass this test it will make our democracy more solid and mature, inshaAllah. I believe we will be able to move forward, inshaAllah.

I hope Prabowo can quickly "Legowo". He should understand that he's already lose, and should think about the next 5 years. If he thinks that he's too old, why don't find a good young candidate for the future election? His current action will make people think less about him, if this tension continues further.

 

[Indos]

I hope Prabowo can quickly "Legowo". He should understand that he's already lose, and should think about the next 5 years. If he thinks that he's too old, why don't find a good young candidate for the future election? His current action will make people think less about him, if this tension continues further.

I also dont get it bro, what actually is in his mind. My speculation is that he doesnt like to lose face by admitting his lost. He just dont have the power to let Jokowi win and keep him in power without any fight. I am agree on you that people will mock him if he continue fighting. I hope he finally accept the result after Constitution Court make decision, just like what happened in 2014.

I am agree on you that he should aim on 2024 instead of keep fighting by setting a new leader. It is also better to form a strong coalition with PAN and Democrat instead of losing both of them due to disagreement on accepting election result. Nevertheless we need a strong opposition to balance government power in parliament.

 

[powastick]

Rioting now, 6 dead.

 

[Nike]

Stupid to die for wowo

 

[Indos]

Official Election result is not too different with Quick Count result

 

[Indos]

Latest Press Conference. Prabowo camp will use constitutional means (go to constitutional court) to solve the dispute and ask his follower to avoid violence.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Kalau tidak salah pas bung karno dilengserkan para pendukung beliau yang mau bergerak disuruh untuk tetap menahan diri, pas Gus dur dilengserkan para pendukung beliau disuruh untuk tetap menahan diri (apakah benar ?) Semua demi mencegah konflik.
Lah sekarang kok kayak gini malahan?

Menyinggung Gus dur jadi keinget ini, karena dipopulerkan oleh beliau

Akeh kang apal Qur'an Hadist e
Banyak yang hafal Qur'an dan hadist
Seneng Ngafirkeh marang liyane
Senang mengkafirkan kepada orang lain
Kafir e dewe Ga' di gatekke
Kafir diri sendiri tidak diperhatikan
Yen isih kotor ati akale
Jika masih kotor hati pikiran
Yen isih kotor ati akale
Jika masih kotor hati pikiran

Pemilu tahun ini jadi agak menghawatirkan.

 

[katarabhumi]

Many elites are threatened to lose more of everything they have enjoyed all this time if Jokowi re-elected. The Cendana family in particular will be deprived of their black money and assets.

Other groups are hardliners, extremists who want to impose (their version of) Shariah and replace Pancasila. The banning of caliphate propaganda movement by Jokowi is a huge blow for them. They hated him for it. Accusation (from them) that Jokowi is an enemy of Islam started since the ban.

The first and the second group are actually opposite in many aspect but are forced to unite because of Jokowi. Both groups see him as the biggest obstacle and a common enemy. That's why they all do everything they can to delegitimize this presidential election.

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Latest Press Conference. Prabowo camp will use constitutional means (go to constitutional court) to solve the dispute and ask his follower to avoid violence.

I'm afraid that is just a "basa-basi" from his camp. The so called "evidence" they have are mostly fabricated anyway. It's been known publicly. Even Sandi Uno has admitted that the election was fair and the witnesses from 02 has accepted the final result from KPU.

If Prabowo is true to his intention of using constitutional means, he would order his supporters to stop rioting on the street and go back home. It's now Ramadhan for God sake.

BTW, social medias - FB, Insta, WA are blocked today by Kominfo to avoid the spreading of false news and agitations which could make situation worse. As someone who learned from real experience of how devastating the hoaxes can be, I think it's good and necessary step considering the current situation. The three have been use extensively to spread false news and agitations surrounding this election for many months.

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[Indos]

Many elites are threatened to lose more of everything they have enjoyed all this time if Jokowi re-elected. The Cendana family in particular will be deprived of their black money and assets.

Other groups are hardliners, extremists who want to impose (their version of) Shariah and replace Pancasila. The banning of caliphate propaganda movement by Jokowi is a huge blow for them. They hated him for it. Accusation (from them) that Jokowi is an enemy of Islam started since the ban.

The first and the second group are actually opposite in many aspect but are forced to unite because of Jokowi. Both groups see him as the biggest obstacle and a common enemy. That's why they all do everything they can to delegitimize this presidential election.

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Well actually Islamist dont have to replace Pancasila in order to impose shariah law. One of our province has used Shariah Law and many of our positive law comes from shariah law. Even Pancasila itself is derived from Islam principle like Tauhid principle as its first pillar. Our constitution preamble also use Allah name that should make Islamist satisfied. Some of the constitution preamble:

By the grace of Allah Almighty and urged by the lofty aspiration to exist as a free nation,

Now therefore, the people of Indonesia declare herewith their independence,


This is from our former Constitutional Court Chairman, Hamdan Zoelva talking about some of our positive law that has already implement shariah law:

"Pada masa Orde Baru terdapat beberapa undang undang yang merupakan transformasi hukum Islam, seperti UU Nomor 1 tahun 1974 tentang Perkawinan, UU Nomor 7 tahun 1989 tentang Peradilan. Pada masa reformasi kehendak mengaktualisasikan hukum Islam dalam bentuk undang-undang semakin meningkat. Hal ini dijumpai antara lain lahirnya UU Nomor 41 tahun 2004 tentang Wakaf, UU Nomor 13 Tahun 2008 tentang Penyelenggaraan Ibadah Haji, UU Nomor 19 tahun 2008 tentang Surat Berharga Syariah Negara, UU Nomor 21 Tahun 2008 tentang Perbankan Syariah, dan UU Nomor 23 Tahun 2011 tentang Pengelolaan Zakat. Bahkan, ada yang implisit mengadopsi nilai-nilai Islam, yakni UU Nomor 20 tahun 2001 tentang Perubahan Atas UU Nomor 31 tahun 2009 tentang Pemberantasan Tindak Pidana Korupsi, UU Nomor 23 Tahun 2002 tentang Perlindungan Anak, UU Nomor 35 tahun 2009 tentang Narkotika, dan lain sebagainya.

Selain itu, eksistensi hukum Islam bukan hanya berkaitan dengan bidang hukum privat (ubudiyah dan mu’amalah), akan tetapi telah menyentuh bidang hukum publik yang berhubungan dengan pidana Islam (jinayah/uqubat). Di Aceh misalnya, diterapkan hukum pidana Islam melalui UU Nomor 44 Tahun 1999 tentang Penyelenggaraan Keistimewaan Provinsi Daerah Istimewa Aceh, yang selanjutnya diatur dalam peraturan seperti UU Nomor 18 tahun 2001 tentang Otonomi Khusus bagi Provinsi Daerah Istimewa Aceh sebagai Provinsi Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam. Produk hukum turunannya dibuat melalui qanun, antara lain yang mengatur peradilan syarait Islam, tentang pelaksanaan syariat Islam di bidang aqidah, ibadah, dan aktifitas syiar Islam lainnya. Fenomena ini menunjukkan dengan sangat jelas bahwa hukum Islam memainkan peran sangat vital dalam pembangunan hukum nasional Indonesia. Hukum Islam tidak hanya mengisi kekosongan hukum namun sekaligus menjadi sumber nilai yang mendasari aturan hukum yang dibuat. "

https://hamdanzoelva.wordpress.com/...lam-konstitusi-dan-sistem-hukum-di-indonesia/

The aim of Indonesian Islamist is to impose more shariah Islam on our positive law and not to change Pancasila itself. I can say the group among Islamist who want to change Pancasila is very minority and usually the one who dont have good critical thinking and dont have political power.