JNU is like a land of lotus-eaters, where we have not emerged from the Cold War: Makarand Paranjape

[nair]

Anyways coming back to topic, the left wing in India is one of the most dangerous challenges the nation faces. Some of the crimes they have committed would even put terrorist groups like ISIS/Taliban/AL-Qaeda to shame.

Which of the crime you referring to???

 

[nair]

GLAD YOU ASKED, because intellectuals like @Joe Shearer run away when these things are mentioned, like he did just now. These leftist "secular" intellectuals are slimy I tell you.

Ever heard of the Sain Bari massacre in 1970 in West Bengal? Our leftist intellectuals have done a pretty good job of hiding many such massacres by "secular" forces, but you know what they say: secrets eventually come out.

Even ISIS would be proud of this, I present to you the deeds of the secular Communist Party Of India:



@ranjeet @Rain Man @scorpionx @Robinhood Pandey @Levina @SarthakGanguly @Kashmiri Pandit

Have never heard of it,( as my knowledge about WB politics is very limited)....... Now back to the point you mentioned about left as an issue, I do not think they are an issue anymore, and their ideology has been out dated, and they themselves knows this......They are finding ways to change it, and they do not want to be called a Kattan chaya (black tea), Parippu vada (dal vada) Dinesh Beedi (country sigar) party anymore......

But they have not changed their outlook, last week also there was a murder attempt by them (which is regular thing between them and RSS in kerala)

I am ignoring the part you mentioned joe sir, as he will defend his point when he finds time......

 

[Levina]

GLAD YOU ASKED, because intellectuals like @Joe Shearer run away when these things are mentioned, like he did just now. These leftist "secular" intellectuals are slimy I tell you.

Ever heard of the Sain Bari massacre in 1970 in West Bengal? Our leftist intellectuals have done a pretty good job of hiding many such massacres by "secular" forces, but you know what they say: secrets eventually come out.

Even ISIS would be proud of this, I present to you the deeds of the secular Communist Party Of India:



@ranjeet @Rain Man @scorpionx @Robinhood Pandey @Levina @SarthakGanguly @Kashmiri Pandit

Afaik CPI(M) and RSS often engage in such activities in Kerala.
CPI(M) doesn't spare their own members too when someone turns rogue, for example murder of T.P Chandrashekharan.
But then I also know how RSS members near my house had planned and killed a CPI(M) member who had come to visit one of his relatives.

I stay away from both the extremes.

 

[sankranti]

Have never heard of it,( as my knowledge about WB politics is very limited)....... Now back to the point you mentioned about left as an issue, I do not think they are an issue anymore, and their ideology has been out dated, and they themselves knows this......They are finding ways to change it, and they do not want to be called a Kattan chaya (black tea), Parippu vada (dal vada) Dinesh Beedi (country sigar) party anymore......

But they have not changed their outlook, last week also there was a murder attempt by them (which is regular thing between them and RSS in kerala)

I am ignoring the part you mentioned joe sir, as he will defend his point when he finds time......

How convenient of you to first plead ignorance and then go on to drag CPI and RSS into the same tray.

CPI has mass murder as an acceptable political policy. The Communist seeks power through ANY means.

RSS as an organization has no such policy nor is it an political party. The RSS does not seek power, it seeks to make our society stronger.

They are the polar opposites of each other.

In kerala which is alternately ruled by the RSS hating Communist and the Hindu hating Congress where even the police has to pick sides and serve political masters, RSS has no choice but to resort to Murder as a last resort of self defence.

You should be ashamed for trying to show parity between the two organizations. Disgusting.

 

[nair]

RSS has no choice but to resort to Murder as a last resort of self defence.

Thank you for accepting the point i made......

 

[sankranti]

Thank you for accepting the point i made......

Yes, its a damn shame that RSS men do not just lay down and die just to satisfy your perverted sense of "secularism".

Your sly point was that both CPI and RSS were different side of the same coin.

My post tell the world that they are NOT. It a pity you do not have the capacity to really understand my point. Lack of Moral courage is the worst form of cowardice.

 

[nair]

Yes, its a damn shame that RSS men do not just lay down and die just to satisfy your perverted sense of "secularism".

Your sly point was that both CPI and RSS were different side of the same coin.

My post tell the world that they are NOT. It a pity you do not have the capacity to really understand my point. Lack of Moral courage is the worst form of cowardice.

Lol..... I do not wish to waste my time with you my lord manavan........ Have fun trolling.....

 

[jamahir]

been that way everywhere on earth, communism really is a cancer.

only the brainwashed or the sociopath would think so.

communism is a most noble vision... if you think the "communist" countries are not being communist then you must participate in socialist movement, make yourself into a catalyst for the left to become extreme left.

it is nationalism and capitalism that are septic pores on the face of humanity.

 

[nair]

Given your profound ignorance freely admitted in pdf,

I am very well aware of the reason behind the undeclared war between RSS and CPM in Kannur and near by areas.... and the point i made has no mention of the reason for such war as that was the not the topic discussed.....Come out of your prejudice Mr. Manavan......

for the best that you do not waste your time

Oh I just did.....

 

[nair]

Some people like @nair are too brainwashed t

 

[Levina]

They ,and other lot mallus, proudly proclaim Kerala to be a secular state as it does not vote for BJP

The reason why BJP doesn't get votes in Kerala is because it doesn't have a charismatic leader in Kerala.
BJP is slowly gaining strength in Kerala but it's past will haunt it for long.

Me or other mallus on the forum have never claimed CPI(M) to be a party of angels. They are what they are!!! Stubborn as hell.
Frankly speaking ppl in Kerala want a change or so I feel but they do not have a third party to vote for. A party they can entrust their votes with!

You brainwashed mallu!!!

 

[Stag112]

Thank you for accepting the point i made......

I think you should consider this, political violence exists where left parties exist. Where they do not have considerable presence in India, political violence is very low.

Your picking on RSS is plain incorrect (i hope not dishonest) interpretation. Congress, TMC and those who wanted to leave communist parties have also got into violence with them. The common factor its communists, you know the guys who are the champions of azadi, freedom of speech and democracy now?

 

[nair]

I think you should consider this, political violence exists where left parties exist. Where they do not have considerable presence in India, political violence is very low.

Your picking on RSS is plain incorrect (i hope not dishonest) interpretation. Congress, TMC and those who wanted to leave communist parties have also got into violence with them. The common factor its communists, you know the guys who are the champions of azadi, freedom of speech and democracy now?

The idea was not to blame RSS (not that they are saints ) for the issue, The idea of bringing RSS is to point the opposite party to the crime....... Neither i blamed RSS for the political murders in Kannur ( I did not want to specify it just because the conversation was with manavan )
Now to say Political violence exists where left parties exists would be a wrong statement, If you see in Kerala, there are several left parties, including forward block, but none of them involve in political violence, The only party is known for this is "CPI (M)"...... Their Kannur district secy is currently arrested for a political murder by CBI and been interrogated for the crime....... Now forget RSS they do not hesitate to kill anyone who could infiltrate to their base...... For example, TP Chandrasekhar, who was a comrade and created another party due to differences and was killed in cold blood by them, just because he was getting support from their support base.......

Btw i am not a supporter of JNU protests, or the azadi, I believe they have more than enough azadi to have done the damage for the nation.....

 

[T-72M1]

only the brainwashed or the sociopath would think so.

says a fan of the DPRK ?

communism is a most noble vision... if you think the "communist" countries are not being communist then you must participate in socialist movement, make yourself into a catalyst for the left to become extreme left.

where has it ever worked and not degenerated into a totalitarian system that brutally crushes dissent and violently gags the same "free speech" these leftist morons at JNU and crying about ?

it is nationalism and capitalism that are septic pores on the face of humanity.

I don't agree with ultra nationalism either but you're wrong, it's socialism/communism which is the real brain cancer and erectile dysfunction that plagues a certain type of loser who wants the government to rob his neighbour to feed him.

anyway, what about the content in the OP ?

 

[Sky lord]

@911 Thanks for the tag. I was too busy yesterday, so didn't get a chance to read it. I do not have the intellectual heft or knowledge to argue this in depth but here are my 2 cents as an everyday person.

For a long time in India my sense is that the "intellectual" space was completely taken over by the left. Left leaning in everything, economy, religion, historical interpretation, social mores everything. There was no right leaning intelligentsia and if there were we certainly did not hear them in the media.

As a people I think Indians are naturally conservative. We value family, faith, self reliance, saving for a rainy day, we are very hierarchical and so on. Because our thought leaders were often left of liberal many of us felt un-represented and the vacuum in conservative thought was filled by the super religious, the snake-oil salesmen and the lumpen idiots.

In the last 5 years or so there has been the beginnings of intelligent conservative thinking in India in every field. Not only this gentleman but I was interested to hear from intelligent right wingers during discussions on history and economy. I am glad this is happening, it is very necessary.

What we need is an intellectual basis for conservatism in India. One that is unabashedly right wing but free of bigotry and to which all Indians, whatever, the circumstances of their birth can ascribe to.