Jinnah VS A.Kalam Azad

[Farah Sohail]

Jinnah and Nehru both were greedy for power. Jinnah dying to become PM of India ......or else division of India...and he can become King of divided part called Pakistan in the name of 2 nation theory....If he was made PM of India..he would have forgotten 2NT and welfare of muslim...Azad was more concerned of India

Would u mind reading some history? Jinnah was offered Prime Minister ship of united India by Gandhi, hence your claim proves to be totally wrong

 

[Vinod2070]

The minorities are increasing because the majority has increased exponentially at the same time.

They simply had more kids.. quite simple to guess... the same is why Muslims in India grew.. they just made more kids.

You really believe that!

By that logic Pakistan's population should have become several times that of India by now!

Just think over it. Do some simple arithmetic and you will realize the absurdity of this comment.

Not sure how that is relavent..
FYI ..Islamic republic vs Secular republic.

If you are not secular, you have no right to make demands on secular countries as well.

Should be simple to understand.

in 71 Bangladeshis were killed.. simple as that. Muslims and Hindus.. off course your country used the Hindu card to create more Hindu militants.. so basically India made sure more Hindus were killed..

Yes, Pakistani forces killing Pakistani Hindus and somehow India is responsible.

All the major leaders of AL were Muslims I guess.

But I am not surprised by your answer. It is typical and expected.

Yes Pakistan has.. its an Islamic republic under Mullah's.. not Jinnah's vision anyway.

No.. He was too busy trying to croon the Vande Mataram more than his neighbors.. while the other party members stick to their normal expression of party language and banners.. his must include an Indian flag to prove loyalty... as do all other Muslim candidates.. Kind of funny as to how he has to be more Indian than the average Indian.. most of his cousins are living in much larger properties.. enjoying the good life...who.. did not actually migrate in 47..
they came in around the 50's and 60's.. after they saw that India wasnt delivering on its promises.
Perhaps this family is only anomaly .. while other Muslims have prospered?
But apart fromt the fact that Lucknow is a really shitty place.. I found very little prosperity in that Muslim majority.
And here is the even weirder stuff.. this family.. this household.. were extreme supporters of congress and Nehru.
My great grandfather was a close friend of Mr Nehru.. those who could walk into the PM's office.
Ran a daily urdu back then.. which eventually closed down...
Now if these people.. who were part of those that rooted for India... end up like this..
Something is going wrong then..

Your(and apparently others) whole tirade is on why I as a Pakistan am not qualified to speak..rather than actually giving me say a link to reports of Muslims Financial status on average.. representaion.. etc.

"you cant talk about us since you are in the shitter too"
And thats it.. that's all you got?

Once the two nation theory was implemented and Pakistan was created and all that happened, happened, you still think you can make demands on us?

Yes, no Pakistani speaks for any Indian. Your assumption that you are entitled to that is superfluous.

 

[Vinod2070]

We must remember that an entity conceived in hatred will last only as long as that hatred lasts. This hatred will overwhelm the relations between India and Pakistan. In this situation it will not be possible for India and Pakistan to become friends and live amicably unless some catastrophic event takes place. The politics of partition itself will act as a barrier between the two countries. It will not be possible for Pakistan to accommodate all the Muslims of India, a task beyond her territorial capability. On the other hand, it will not be possible for the Hindus to stay especially in West Pakistan. They will be thrown out or leave on their own. This will have its repercussions in India and the Indian Muslims will have three options before them:

1. They become victims of loot and brutalities and migrate to Pakistan; but how many Muslims can find shelter there?

2. They become subject to murder and other excesses. A substantial number of Muslims will pass through this ordeal until the bitter memories of partition are forgotten and the generation that had lived through it completes its natural term.

3. A good number of Muslims, haunted by poverty, political wilderness and regional depredation decide to renounce Islam.

This guy was a genius. He foretold exactly the bigotry that will be perpetrated in Pakistan!

 

[Nitin Goyal]

The minorities are increasing because the majority has increased exponentially at the same time.
They simply had more kids.. quite simple to guess... the same is why Muslims in India grew.. they just made more kids.

Not sure how that is relavent..
FYI ..Islamic republic vs Secular republic.

in 71 Bangladeshis were killed.. simple as that. Muslims and Hindus.. off course your country used the Hindu card to create more Hindu militants.. so basically India made sure more Hindus were killed..

Yes Pakistan has.. its an Islamic republic under Mullah's.. not Jinnah's vision anyway.

No.. He was too busy trying to croon the Vande Mataram more than his neighbors.. while the other party members stick to their normal expression of party language and banners.. his must include an Indian flag to prove loyalty... as do all other Muslim candidates.. Kind of funny as to how he has to be more Indian than the average Indian.. most of his cousins are living in much larger properties.. enjoying the good life...who.. did not actually migrate in 47..
they came in around the 50's and 60's.. after they saw that India wasnt delivering on its promises.
Perhaps this family is only anomaly .. while other Muslims have prospered?
But apart fromt the fact that Lucknow is a really shitty place.. I found very little prosperity in that Muslim majority.
And here is the even weirder stuff.. this family.. this household.. were extreme supporters of congress and Nehru.
My great grandfather was a close friend of Mr Nehru.. those who could walk into the PM's office.
Ran a daily urdu back then.. which eventually closed down...
Now if these people.. who were part of those that rooted for India... end up like this..
Something is going wrong then..

Your(and apparently others) whole tirade is on why I as a Pakistan am not qualified to speak..rather than actually giving me say a link to reports of Muslims Financial status on average.. representaion.. etc.

"you cant talk about us since you are in the shitter too"
And thats it.. that's all you got?

who are you fooling sir ? your minorities are neither increasing in percentage term nor in absolute term...but In India it is other way round...I think they are not having enough sex....

And why on earth they want to move in India and and your uncle, chacha, baba etc don't want to come to pakistan ..??

Indian minorities have more kid but without literacy and education ..main reason behind their backwardness...thanks for pointing that out.

In 71 bangladeshis were not killed infact they were pakistanis..I hope you won't disagree...and it was proven that forget about hindu muslim ..muslims (read pakistani) can't live with their bros...

here you go...

altaf hussain begging to india

Yes Pakistan has.. its an Islamic republic under Mullah's.. not Jinnah's vision anyway.

so finally jinnah or his followers failed to achieve the objective behind the creation of Pakistan... Azad sahab proved right

You are feeling your post with rhetoric ..tell me does he want to move in Pakistan ??? let be open about it...like many minorities want to move to India from Pakistan

I don't think any place can be more shitty than karachi...you have thousands of reasons for that.

Yes as a pakistani you don't have any rights to talk about religious minorities....do you want me to open pandora box fro you...

And for the records The richest muslim in south aisa is a Indian muslim....

and please do compare the status of Indian and pakistani muslims..

and still you are clueless or don't have any idea to prove that he was just a show piece ....

In india we have a system and functional democracy.. we are not conditioned like you ..who believe only one dictator can run the whole nation and rest are show piece.

 

[Vinod2070]

he confidence of East Pakistan will not erode as long as Jinnah and Liaquat Ali are alive. But after them any small incident will create resentment and disaffection. I feel that it will not be possible for East Pakistan to stay with West Pakistan for any considerable period of time. There is nothing common between the two regions except that they call themselves Muslims.

But the fact of being Muslim has never created durable political unity anywhere in the world. The Arab world is before us; they subscribe to a common religion, a common civilisation and culture and speak a common language. In fact they acknowledge even territorial unity. But there is no political unity among them.

He obviously understood the Muslims better than Mr. Jinnah who was not a religious Muslim.

Though we are glad for the partition, good to keep things in perspective.

On the other hand, the language, customs and way of life of East Pakistan are totally different from West Pakistan. The moment the creative warmth of Pakistan cools down, the contradictions will emerge and will acquire assertive overtones. These will be fuelled by the clash of interests of international powers and consequently both wings will separate.

Already happened.

After the separation of East Pakistan, whenever it happens, West Pakistan will become the battleground of regional contradictions and disputes. The assertion of sub-national identities of Punjab, Sind, Frontier and Balochistan will open the doors for outside interference. It will not be long before the international powers use the diverse elements of Pakistani political leadership to break the country on the lines of Balkan and Arab states.

Ongoing.

Maybe at that stage we will ask ourselves, what have we gained and what have we lost.

The dice has been cast.

 

[jbond197]

An amusing fact -

The descendants of both Jinnah (Wadia family) & Abul Kalam Azad (Aamir Khan & Nazma Heptulla etc.. ) rightly chose to stay in India and now they are among the most prosperous ones..

 

[Vinod2070]

By conceding NWFP, Sind, Balochistan and half of Punjab on one side and half of Bengal on the other, they think they will get the rest of India — a huge country that would be free from any claims of communal nature. If we use the Muslim League terminology, this new India will be a Hindu state both practically and temperamentally. This will not happen as a result of any conscious decision, but will be a logical consequence of its social realities. How can you expect a society that consists 90% of Hindus, who have lived with their ethos and values since prehistoric times, to grow differently?

He says it as it is.

The India of now, after the two nation theory is a country of Dharmic values that gives equal rights to all but its values are unmistakably Dharmic.

 

[Bang Galore]

By conceding NWFP, Sind, Balochistan and half of Punjab on one side and half of Bengal on the other, they think they will get the rest of India — a huge country that would be free from any claims of communal nature. If we use the Muslim League terminology, this new India will be a Hindu state both practically and temperamentally. This will not happen as a result of any conscious decision, but will be a logical consequence of its social realities. How can you expect a society that consists 90% of Hindus, who have lived with their ethos and values since prehistoric times, to grow differently?

Herein lies the answer to many a Pakistani question. The country through its constitution will always be secular but ethos & value will be heavily influenced by Hinduism for the reasons given above. Fault, if any will have to be laid at those advocating the 2NT, who by their success ensured an Hinduised India. Secular but with Hindu ethos, just like european countries & the U.S. are secular but with christian ethos.

 

[chitti]

forget all this.. today,... pak businessmen are salivating at the prospect of selling in india.. the day is not too far when many pakistanis will park their money in india as safe haven.. then lets talk.

you are cooked anyways... lol

 

[vsdoc]

I believe that the Hindu ethos inherently has always been secular and chilled out in the form of tolerance of various viewpoints - religious and cultural - within and without their own fold.

We would not have lasted as a nation were that not the case for the past 65 years.

Other religions would not have found the space to thrive and grow alongside were that not the case for centuries before that.

India was a melting pot long before the term was made fashionable in the modern world.

We do not need lessons from others on what it means to be truly secular.

Just as we did not need lessons on the same from a man who set out to create a secular nation by ripping one into two on the basis of religion.

 

[hotaki]

forget all this.. today,... pak businessmen are salivating at the prospect of selling in india.. the day is not too far when many pakistanis will park their money in india as safe haven.. then lets talk.

Well let them, most pakistanis are a sad case these days they are more interested in money and will trade with the devil for profits.

They rather have good relations with people whom we despise, i am more and more becoming a nationalist day by day due to pakistans and its policies with India, at times i wish my people pukhtoons and balochs never opted to join Pakistan we never really fitted in as we can clearly see eastern side of indus is getting in to bed with its cousins.

We created Pakistan in the name of islam
and not in the name of secularism, Islam is the only way forward and those who seek secularism should head for the nearest exit.

 

[American Pakistani]

There is no comparision between the two. One was a Leader other was a Slave, one teach us to live with pride & honour other teach us to live in slavery. Yes the leader was our great nation's father, Great Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, other one was azad who was not even azad.

Long Live Pakistan.
Pakistan Zindabad
Quaid-e-Azam Zindabad

 

[Rusty]

friend , unfortunately whe it comes to everyday life, business, commerce and work will get you your daily roti not praying to god. Desire is secular, the hindu likes the same things a muslim does. eats similar etc. there is nothing wrong in trade and commerce.if you didnt want that whole muslim world will be poor.
your baloch are being exploited by punjabis and you dont even realise that.oh well


pakistan is the biggest pron watchers in the world. do you watch it , mr. desibaba?

please keep the crocodile tears to yourself.
God knows you Indians need more help feeding your poor then anyone.
And let's not even talk about exploitation or we will end up derailing this thread with talks of India.
Balochis and Punjabis are brothers, we have a common history, religion and country.


But we both know why you are really here.
131 posts in less then a month.
It seems like India blocked your favorite **** site and you needed a new outlet.

 

[mahabharath]

Amazing how Azad envisioned the inevitable. Had it been this other way around, this guy would have become philosopher, guide and 'almost prophet' kind of figure in somebody's books.

 

[hotaki]

friend , unfortunately whe it comes to everyday life, business, commerce and work will get you your daily roti not praying to god. Desire is secular, the hindu likes the same things a muslim does. eats similar etc. there is nothing wrong in trade and commerce.if you didnt want that whole muslim world will be poor.
your baloch are being exploited by punjabis and you dont even realise that.oh well


pakistan is the biggest pron watchers in the world. do you watch it , mr. desibaba?

Balochs are exploited by Punjabis come on man you can do better then that, Punjabi exploiting balochs is true as India being a secular state that treats all its citizens as equal.

You fail to mention your exploits in Kashmir, 1984 of sikhs in Punjab, of Muslims in gujrat and elsewhere and the dalits, very convenient you fail to mention these.

Regarding roti that is provided the day you are born, maybe not the best but something, so you see that's the foundation of our faith, what other muslims so or who they trade with is their business, i am talking about Pakistan.