Jihadist penetration of Pakistani armed forces may be deeper than feared

[Post Colonnial]

See cherry picking a senetnce from whole context just only proves that you're only here to satisfy your misplaced sense of judgement.

Plz try something better next time


Lol plz don't say that. You won't findnour officers being accused of raping women, or for that women protesting naked because the men (soldiers) are raping them

you obviously haven't heard about Pakistani soldiers' behavior when they are sent of as peace keeping force. Ofcourse nobody hears of what they do inside Pakistan because.....drum roll..... it won't be published. Simple.

But all that has little to do with this topic.

 

[Solomon2]

Was he a fool? Did he reject relevant information? Was he played emotionally?

I wasn't talking about the admiral. I was talking about you. Isn't it sufficient for everyone here to judge you as a fool by the fact you fulfilled my description of how a fool behaves, rather than demonstrate some sort of balance?

 

[TMA]

I wasn't talking about the admiral. I was talking about you. Isn't it sufficient for everyone here to judge you as a fool by the fact you fulfilled my description of how a fool behaves, rather than demonstrate some sort of balance?

The USS Liberty attack was a false flag done by Israel in order to provoke the US to attack Eygpt.
There are many examples of false flags in recent history. Even a fool can see them.

 

[Solomon2]

@TMA, @P4K1ST4N

 

[notorious_eagle]

why does it take so long for Pakistan to realize this? India has been saying this since teh 1980's and the rest f the worls for almost 2 decades.

This was wanton disregard and denial perpetrated by people in military and civilian leadership of Pakistan. Hence the whole country is reaping the negative results.

We don't need the World to tell us the State of our Armed Forces. We Pakistanis know better because at the end of the day, its our brothers, neighbours, relatives, friends, casual acquaintances who serve in the Armed Forces. We are the best judge of the Character of our Armed Forces. This article is nothing but false propaganda, its completely worthless.

You would rather Pakistan have let these mutinous officers take over a PN ship and attack an American vessel as a "favour" to you and your like-minded associates? So you could revel in the satisfaction that Pakistanis murdered American sailors?

First of all, Five Sailors cannot operate a Warship by themselves. Second, they would have never made it out of the Dock without proper authorization. This article is nothing but hogwash, someone pretending to be an Intellectual when all he is, is just a paid pawn.

 

[P4K1ST4N]

@TMA, @P4K1ST4N

- Useless attacks "hallmark of zionists" @Solomon2


Israeli brutality and Jewish controlled opposition
Rosie Charalmbous (Cyprus News Digest) speaks with Gilad Atzmon about Zionism, Israel and the Jewish political symptom: Israeli brutality, Jewish controlled opposition, Jewish racism, Jewish progressive culture of deceit, The Guardian of Judea and many other troubling topics no one dares talking about…

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

you obviously haven't heard about Pakistani soldiers' behavior when they are sent of as peace keeping force. Ofcourse nobody hears of what they do inside Pakistan because.....drum roll..... it won't be published. Simple.

But all that has little to do with this topic.

Yeah it's highly professional.

If it wasn't the UN would refuse the offer of peacekeeper from Pakistan.

You do hear the behavior of soldiers in Pakistan... Do you not have access to Pakistani news sites?

 

[Solomon2]

First of all, Five Sailors cannot operate a Warship by themselves.

As I pointed out earlier. So the mutineering officers must have counted on support from the crew once they had disposed of the loyal ones and the captain.

Second, they would have never made it out of the Dock without proper authorization.

Do you think the renegades made it as far as they did - carrying illegal weapons - with "proper authorization"? Their partial success demonstrates they either could get the authorization they needed or bluster their way through.

This article is nothing but hogwash, someone pretending to be an Intellectual when all he is, is just a paid pawn.

Without specific criticisms that hold water your labeling is worthless, yes?

Israeli brutality and Jewish controlled opposition -

The ad hominem, proof-by-prejudice, shoot-the-messenger fallacy. Why should Pakistanis respect you? You can't solve their problems that way. It's just a trick to stay in power, or curry favor with the Establishment.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

Infiltrates in the form of foreign agency agents or in the form of local recruits is always a factor involve in espionage technique. The ability of a force to counter these problems timely improves its survivability.

 

[Samlee]

Hamid Mir's brother?

Yes

 

[Joe Shearer]

What a good thread to stay away from!

A Pakistani writer writes a piece in an American newspaper about an incident involving Pakistani members of the armed forces, and we get comments about?

1. The inadequate security at Pathankot, and the sheer lack of professionalism on the part of the Indian defence authorities in allowing Pakistani infiltrators to attack the airbase;
2. The inadequate security measures taken by India to protect Indian strategic security assets, indicating how vulnerable they would be if jihadi members of the Indian armed forces wanted to seize them for terrorist use;
3. The supposed fact that a member of the Indian armed forces was accused of terrorist activity, in a case where his name was tacked on without any justification. Thereby showing conclusively that the Indian armed forces are as riddled by extremist elements as the Pakistani armed forces are supposed to be (or so the Americans seem to think).

It's all the fault of the bloody Indians, actually.

 

[Zibago]

Yes

Well that explains everything

 

[sparten]

Oh for Gods sake. The scolds and the sensational people have been arguing with the sensible people. It's gone like:
It has been pointed out by sensible people that

1) Hijacking a warship is something which only happens in the movies. In real life it takes much more than a dozen men to run a ship. Their aim obviously was to cause damage.


2) oh the scolds say, but the guys plan was to hide and only take over when the ship was underway. To which sensible people replied that it's a ship not a mall. You can't exactly hide a dozen armed men in there. Ships are secure areas. Even the Chief of Naval Staff cannot get into a vessel without express orders and being accompanied. That's why the lookout challenged them, they had no authority to enter. It was not luck, it was him doing his job.

Plus how exactly in the hypothetical scenario that you enter successfully are you going to stay hidden and not attract attention from ships company wondering who exactly are these unknown armed guys?

3) Finally, they say oh "but it shows jihadist sympathies" and it's a"Pakistani writer", . Somehow these sympathies have laid dormant as hundreds of thousands of men and women have battled these criminals for years. And Amir Mir the "Pakistani" writer has no evident expertise in naval affairs or the military.

In short it's like arguing with a regarded donkey.

 

[notorious_eagle]

As I pointed out earlier. So the mutineering officers must have counted on support from the crew once they had disposed of the loyal ones and the captain.

And guess what? They got caught, the system worked and their conspiracy failed before anything could be done. Not a single life lost, and a stern message sent to all these would be Jihadis with these mutineers broken necks.

They were not very smart fellows, that's for sure.

Do you think the renegades made it as far as they did - carrying illegal weapons - with "proper authorization"? Their partial success demonstrates they either could get the authorization they needed or bluster their way through.

How far did they make? They got on a ship that was anchored, and were immediately arrested after that. I wouldn't call that taking far, maybe you need to open the dictionary and learn what partial success means. If they had managed to fire up the engines, and start sailing away from the dock, i would call that partial success.

You're just making a mountain out of a mole, just to suit your agenda my friend. If i do take the scenario you pictured, and admit for a second they had managed to fire up the engines, and were starting to sail away with the ship without any tug boats, either a PN Naval Commando Task Force would be immediately launched or the Ship would have been sunken by PN's Coastal ASM Batteries.

This is not a Hollywood Movie, this is real life. It looks like recently you watched Under Siege, that's why you're thinking on the same lines. Even the Naval Chief cannot board a Vessel and take it out for a spin without proper authorization.

Without specific criticisms that hold water your labeling is worthless, yes?

Not really. The article is not worth replying to, pretty much all the allegations this disgraced journalist makes are based on third party evidence. Besides, the credentials and the authentication of the journalist himself are under doubt.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

if this incident is taken as standard , then US Navy is more rogue and jihadi than PN .because shooting in USN dockyard is quite common and happens frequently.