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Here is a another point of view.

http://indianexpress.com/article/op...-attack-burhan-wani-kashmir-protests-2918817/

Fifth Column: Every time the Valley explodes, experts emerge to pronounce in ponderous tones that we need to find a ‘political solution’ instead of just a military one.

Written by Tavleen Singh | Updated: July 17, 2016 8:12 am
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Nearly every video of Burhan Wani shows him affirming that his fight is for Islam. (Express Photo by Shuaib Masoodi)
Within hours of the attack in Nice, the President of France acknowledged that it was an act of Islamist terror. I consider this an important detail to begin this week’s column with because it is my view that a failure to acknowledge what is really happening in the Kashmir valley is the main reason why we get no closer to finding a political solution. The armed struggle for ‘azaadi’ that began in the last days of 1989, when Yasin Malik and his comrades kidnapped Mehbooba Mufti’s sister, was secular in nature and was a mistaken but sincere attempt to win freedom for Kashmir. This movement was subsumed long ago by jihadi terrorism planned by groups who took their orders from Pakistan’s ISI. These groups fought under the banner of Islam. Nearly every video of Burhan Wani shows him affirming that his fight is for Islam. When he was killed on July 8, the first people to commemorate him as a martyr were Hafiz Saeed and Syed Salahuddin.

Wani belonged to the Hizbul Mujahideen that the ISI formed in the early Nineties with the specific purpose of taking over the ‘azaadi’ movement from the JKLF (Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front). The nature of the movement changed. On Srinagar’s streets suddenly appeared bearded young men who forcibly closed bars, cinemas and video shops. These same fanatics then targeted women who did not cover their faces, and soon emerged zealots like Asiya Andrabi of the Dukhtaran-e-Millat, who not only covers her whole face but wears black gloves so that no hint of female flesh is visible. These changes were dramatic and sudden. They did not happen gradually, but to this day, most Indian commentators continue to be in denial mode.


Is it just me or have you noticed that nobody yet links the violence in Kashmir to the worldwide jihad? In Srinagar last summer when I first heard of Burhan Wani, people talked of him with reverence but without mentioning that his fight was not just for ‘azaadi’ but for Islam. Like his Islamist brothers across the Muslim world, his videos show him saying this in clear terms. The thousands who attended his funeral indicate that in death he remains Kashmir’s biggest hero. So has Islamism put down deep, deep roots? If it has, what should we be doing about it? Can we do anything about it if we continue to deny that it is not freedom from India that the Kashmiris now want but their own little Islamic state?

Every time the Valley explodes, experts emerge to pronounce in ponderous tones that we need to find a ‘political solution’ instead of just a military one. Yes. Everyone knows this. What nobody seems to know is what this political solution could be and if it is even possible to think about political solutions when angry, young Kashmiris hate India enough to risk their lives by attacking armed security personnel. Is a political solution possible as long as Pakistan continues to back jihadists? There is no point in pretending that this did not happen again this time. Synchronised attacks on police stations indicate a degree of planning that is well beyond the strategic capacity of school children and angry young men.

What should worry policymakers in Delhi and Srinagar is why Burhan Wani’s message finds such resonance. What should worry the Prime Minister is that two years of his term have gone by without the smallest indication that his government has a new policy to deal with the changed nature of our oldest political problem. Personally I had hoped that Narendra Modi would open a new chapter in Kashmir by making it completely clear that there will never be ‘azaadi’, and that once this is accepted, we can begin to talk of other things.

Far too many young Kashmiris believe, as Burhan Wani did, that all it needs is for them to continue stoning Indian soldiers and security personnel and this will result in independence. This idea is supported from across the border by men like Hafiz Saeed who rave on about how Allah is on their side and so victory is automatic.

Burhan Wani was so important an asset for Pakistan’s jihad against India that his death was brought up at the United Nations last week. He was described by Pakistan’s representative to the UN as a Kashmiri ‘leader’ who was killed by extra-judicial means. This is as absurd as if Tunisia was to claim that the killing of the man who drove that killing machine of a truck in Nice amounts to a human rights violation. Burhan Wani was a jihadi terrorist who in one of his last videos urged ordinary Kashmiris to stay away from soldiers and policemen because ‘we can attack them at any time’. Should there be a military response to this or a political one?
 
True behind all the azaadi crap there is religious intolerance and bigotry, nothing else, if anybody believes we will win the hearts and minds of these religious zealots they are living in fools paradise, just crush them with an iron hand India has used kid glove approach for too long now
 
Military action is going on since many decades.....what else. 90,000 dead and thousands missing. Unmarked graves etc etc....these are all sign of war, not peace. Draconian law etc etc..
India can have all out war with its almost 8 lakh armed men.
 
Military action is going on since many decades.....what else. 90,000 dead and thousands missing. Unmarked graves etc etc....these are all sign of war, not peace. Draconian law etc etc..
India can have all out war with its almost 8 lakh armed men.

Political activities are also allowed in Kashmir

They have regular elections ; elect their own state government and local governments

They have a SPECIAL status under Indian constitution where by Other people
cannot settle down in Kashmir

They have driven out Hindus who were the ORIGINAL inhabitants of Kashmir

They get lots of financial help from the Central government -- they dont pay taxes

ALL this is ENOUGH
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Now coming to our red line
If they still want to break away from India; they will die
 
Military action is going on since many decades.....what else. 90,000 dead and thousands missing. Unmarked graves etc etc....these are all sign of war, not peace. Draconian law etc etc..
India can have all out war with its almost 8 lakh armed men.

The separtists go around in land cruiser and the so called oppressed people attack and burn down police stations and crpf camps, these people need bullets and not pellets
 
Nice read

THE HEAVEN THAT KASHMIR WILL REMAIN

Most parents don't want to lose their children to violence. Yet most parents are left with no choice because in today's world there are more people preaching hate than peace. No parent wants their children to lose their eyesight but then parents do know that their children are fighting for some warped idea of freedom rather than working towards a life of dignity and meaningful employment. Most parents blame governments for the actions of their children when actually it is their responsibility as parents to instill the right set of values.

The concept of freedom, as being espoused in Kashmir, is of a kind that is both utopian and unilateral. A handful of people, who we call separatists but should actually be deemed either terror believers or downright terrorists, are muddying the waters. In many ways, Kashmir is about an enduring misunderstanding rather than actually understanding what's going on.

Many in the media berate security forces' action as being inhuman, so should they berate the actions of stone pelters and terrorists as being the same? Which to my mind is a gross injustice. When I last checked, the policeman who is kicked and beaten to death by cowards also has a family and perhaps in the wake of his death, leaves behind orphans and a widow. So why should the media or these righteous commentators only feel for the ones who actually broke the law than for the ones who lost their lives in protecting their homeland?

India is perhaps the only country where we don't cut our security forces some slack. We treat them as the perpetrators of crime than the ones who really commit the crime. We, for years, through various means of what I call liberal action hounded the venerable K P S Gill, when he cracked down on those who had spread terror in Punjab. He was seen as a man who had killed innocent people but then what about the many innocent civilian and security forces' lives that were lost in Punjab in those terrible years? Not a tear for them? No one to wipe the tears off the brow of that widow who has suddenly learnt that she has lost her husband not to an enemy's nefarious design but to some misguided Indian who believed he should fight for a nonexistent war?

I have always believed that if security forces act beyond their brief or their duty, they must be punished: and there are provisions within the law to enable that punishment. But then to tar an entire force with the brush of partisanship is equally unjust. When you have stones being thrown at you and at civilians and at property belonging to innocent citizens, it is your duty to protect it. And if they don't perform that duty, then another cauldron of media scrutiny opens up: so where do they go is my key question? Do and you are damned, and don't and you are damned too. There cannot be a just set of rules for criminals and quite another for the ones who are only doing their duty.

My belief is that we need our media to be cognizant of the hate they also spread by providing a onedimensional view of things: to support security forces is not as if you are supporting the Establishment but the tragedy is that many in the media only earn their spurs and goodwill by attacking the Establishment and actually believe that security forces are the Establishment: there can be no graver injustice than this and it will destroy the very edifice of our democracy. If you have a problem with Narendra Modi or Sonia Gandhi or Mehbooba Mufti, then have the sagacity and courage to go after them: but for God's sake don't draw our military and security forces into this personal battle. It is not right and it is not fair. As simple as that.

For my part, Kashmir is and will remain ours. As much as every bit of India will belong to our fellowcountrymen and women in Kashmir. This is not going to change. So the next time round, parents of wayward children who romanticise war and bloodshed and pick up stones, should instead pick up Shelley.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/columns...-Kashmir-will-remain/articleshow/53244351.cms
 
Military action is going on since many decades.....what else. 90,000 dead and thousands missing. Unmarked graves etc etc....these are all sign of war, not peace. Draconian law etc etc..
India can have all out war with its almost 8 lakh armed men.

Less than 50,000 dead. Not 90,000. Using propaganda-related figures lowers the credibility of your post. The break-up makes even more interesting reading; do try it.
 
Less than 50,000 dead. Not 90,000. Using nda-related figures lowers the credibility of your post. The break-up makes even more interesting reading; do try it.




If you noticed, We increased 1lakh troops than yesterday... damn I don't know army recruited 1lakh troops over night..
 
Nicely summed up by Tavleen Singh. Thanks for the post @eyeswideshut.

While it is true that there is a need for a political solution to Kashmir, for without a political process and long term policy implementation all military gains will be lost, there is no denying the shift in nature of the movement in Kashmir. The influx of Wahab money, which was 'enabled' by Intelligence agencies in order to pit the ultra-Islamists against the predominant Sufi Kashmiris, paid short term dividends in terms of pitting the two against each other thereby undermining and indeed reversing the movement in Kashmir by 2008.

However, the negative offshoot of such an ill thought out policy is the aforementioned radicalisation. I had pointed out the fact that between 2008-2013, there have been an increase in number of women wearing a hijab, previously unheard of in the valley itself.

This is an example of the social undercurrents that point to a graver threat to the Kashmiri society, as increasingly the situation is becoming wherein the Kashmiri struggle is losing legitimacy as a genuine struggle for people of Kashmir (as perceived by the world and some lost souls in India) and now becoming a trend of global islamic takfiri jihad.

That this change in the tone and posture of the Kashmiri separatists as also armed groups, plays right into the Indian hands is a foregone conclusion.

From the point of view of the security forces and the Indian political establishment, this is a suicidal approach and something that we are 'managing' as a state policy, that shall indeed pay us rich dividends and to which I shall personally fully subscribe.

Let us be very clear. There is no sympathy for the Islamic Jihad and associated terror anywhere in the world. In India, the political class publicly acts and portrays non labelling of terror to any religious group. However, in real world, even the US forces call it Islamic terror as do any forces anywhere in the world, including Indian Forces cutting across religious lines. That it is takfiri in nature, is but understood, as any Indian security personnel of Islamic following is labelled as a kafir by these idiots.

As an Indian and as a POV of the security forces, an excellent change. It shall allow us to militarily liquidate potential trouble makers without the potential backlash by media and the world. No one in the world will bat an eyelid when we will unleash the armed forces on these Islamist radicals. However, without a pragmatic political support, the average Kashmiri will be the one to bear the brunt and that is something that needs strengthening through political and not military steps because without the support and strengthening of that segment, the issue can not be resolved to Indian satisfaction.

Military response.

But then again, I'm Chinese, so what else would I say right?

Nope. You are right.

But the same without a political back up will not work in Indian scenario. It works good in Chinese scenario, something which I at times do subscribe to, especially in terms of governance.

Thanks for your useful input. It is indeed a sensible one, unlike what some members may claim or slam.
 
Protests like these make sure security forces dare not kill anyone in future who pick arms against the state or incite people.
 
Also, don't fell for the usual BS - 7 lakh Indian Army in Kashmir. Those troops are deployed at LOC, LOC, Leh etc. Also, Siachen Brigade, RR and Mountain Brigades are part of this deployment.


You don't expect India to deploy the Army in Bihar, MP and Jharkhand beyond small numbers but at frontiers and Kashmir is the biggest frontier with a potential of two front war.

Lol @ " Bharat ne Kashmir mn 10 lakh fauj laga rakhi hai"
 
Nicely summed up by Tavleen Singh. Thanks for the post @eyeswideshut.

While it is true that there is a need for a political solution to Kashmir, for without a political process and long term policy implementation all military gains will be lost, there is no denying the shift in nature of the movement in Kashmir. The influx of Wahab money, which was 'enabled' by Intelligence agencies in order to pit the ultra-Islamists against the predominant Sufi Kashmiris, paid short term dividends in terms of pitting the two against each other thereby undermining and indeed reversing the movement in Kashmir by 2008.

However, the negative offshoot of such an ill thought out policy is the aforementioned radicalisation. I had pointed out the fact that between 2008-2013, there have been an increase in number of women wearing a hijab, previously unheard of in the valley itself.

This is an example of the social undercurrents that point to a graver threat to the Kashmiri society, as increasingly the situation is becoming wherein the Kashmiri struggle is losing legitimacy as a genuine struggle for people of Kashmir (as perceived by the world and some lost souls in India) and now becoming a trend of global islamic takfiri jihad.

That this change in the tone and posture of the Kashmiri separatists as also armed groups, plays right into the Indian hands is a foregone conclusion.

From the point of view of the security forces and the Indian political establishment, this is a suicidal approach and something that we are 'managing' as a state policy, that shall indeed pay us rich dividends and to which I shall personally fully subscribe.

Let us be very clear. There is no sympathy for the Islamic Jihad and associated terror anywhere in the world. In India, the political class publicly acts and portrays non labelling of terror to any religious group. However, in real world, even the US forces call it Islamic terror as do any forces anywhere in the world, including Indian Forces cutting across religious lines. That it is takfiri in nature, is but understood, as any Indian security personnel of Islamic following is labelled as a kafir by these idiots.

As an Indian and as a POV of the security forces, an excellent change. It shall allow us to militarily liquidate potential trouble makers without the potential backlash by media and the world. No one in the world will bat an eyelid when we will unleash the armed forces on these Islamist radicals. However, without a pragmatic political support, the average Kashmiri will be the one to bear the brunt and that is something that needs strengthening through political and not military steps because without the support and strengthening of that segment, the issue can not be resolved to Indian satisfaction.



Nope. You are right.

But the same without a political back up will not work in Indian scenario. It works good in Chinese scenario, something which I at times do subscribe to, especially in terms of governance.

Thanks for your useful input. It is indeed a sensible one, unlike what some members may claim or slam.

It is, within the constraints that the Army of a democracy is bound to put upon itself.

@hellfire , I want to raise my fear with you, not to sensationalise it, but to point out a reality, that there is a lot of the old school tie business happening, a tendency to brush bad things under the carpet, and that is bad for us. It is for the officer corps to set an example, and it is increasingly difficult in today's fluid and messy situation, but it is all the more a demand that has to be made of the leadership of the Army.

The second point is that the Army is getting an increasingly unpleasant reputation due to the utter incompetence of the CRPF, for instance, and even on occasion the BSF, although these latter to a lesser extent than the former. What I am talking about is the gap between the RR and the Kashmir Police, who need backup in riot situations, that the RR simply cannot provide. Why can't the Ministry of Home Affairs build a cadre of dedicated policemen specifically for specialised management of these situations? I can name a dozen things that have to go into the playbook, which is not happening because of the bad training that these officers and men receive.

The only possible way to reduce violence from India is to reduce the price of Indian blood.
An Indian civilian should be killed for the death of each Kashmiri civilian.
If a Kashmiri civilian is not innocent then how can we assume an Indian civilian to be innocent ? After all,Kashmir is an integral part of India and all Indians are equal.
Somebody has to do it..make Indian blood cheaper.
Pakistan in the current situation has the political nor the military will or might to do it.
Proxy war is the way to go.Agencies have to be more proactive..but that requires support from political leadership which isn't there.Something has to be done.

The kind of thoughtless and provocative statement that makes the day for bhakts. What a crass and unfeeling thing to say. That one act of terrorism will compensate for another.

Also, don't fell for the usual BS - 7 lakh Indian Army in Kashmir. Those troops are deployed at LOC, LOC, Leh etc. Also, Siachen Brigade, RR and Mountain Brigades are part of this deployment.


You don't expect India to deploy the Army in Bihar, MP and Jharkhand beyond small numbers but at frontiers and Kashmir is the biggest frontier with a potential of two front war.

Lol @ " Bharat ne Kashmir mn 10 lakh fauj laga rakhi hai"

The figures are clear: XIV Corps in Dras and Leh, XV in Gurez and Baramula (if I remember correctly), and XVI in Jammu, Rajauri and Yol! So where did this magic figure come from? Even adding the RR doesn't bring the figure anywhere close to the one going around.
 

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