JF17s For New Afghan Air Force?

[TOPGUN]

A big NOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

What are the prospects of Pakistan selling new Government in Afghanistan JF17? As they build a new economy?

Edit: This thread seeks to project scenario where we fast forward 3-5 years.

question is why and what for? against what country?
Taliban have established cordial relations with China, Russia and Iran. they have no problem with Pakistan or Turkey that requires an airforce.

to counter insurgency and smugglers the gunship helicopters and propeller planes will do fine.

what they will need JF17s to BVR with? Amer Ullah Saleh?

 

[VCheng]

question is why and what for? against what country?
Taliban have established cordial relations with China, Russia and Iran. they have no problem with Pakistan or Turkey that requires an airforce.

to counter insurgency and smugglers the gunship helicopters and propeller planes will do fine.

what they will need JF17s to BVR with? Amer Ullah Saleh?

For the same reason Pakistan successfully made the case for F-16s for counter-insurgency operations?

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Some pakistanis are more delusional then indians. Like wtf is up with pakistanis shoving jf17 in every scenario? What if mars has aliens would they buy jf17 from pakistan? What if sharks had money would they buy jf from pakistan? Pakistan barely had 5 to 10 percent technical contribution and they own it as if they invented the dam plane.

Well said. Idiots on here act like JF17 is some super duper 100% Pak-made 7th generation fighter that everyone wants. Why would they need such a jet anyway? Thrt have far bigger and more important priorities. The shilling is embarassing.

 

[Leviza]

Matlab seedha hi JF17 ?
Koi tu break lago bhai meray

they need a lot of help in all sectors and once these sectors are stable then maybe k8 with weapons etc

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Matlab seedha hi JF17 ?
Koi tu break lago bhai meray

they need a lot of help in all sectors and once these sectors are stable then maybe k8 with weapons etc

The only thing current afg can get close to flying is a kite let alone a jet powered plane.

 

[Shabi1]

You're business advice is essentially don't sell and don't innovate suck nations tax money in form of HIT and POF. What a tremendous advice. You are a genius protege of some sort it seems.

What I'm saying is Pakistan first and telling you my observation on why despite good interest we haven't been able to materialize sales for some of our main products which is delivery timelines subject to own requirements. Pak military is and will always be the primary and priority client of our state defence enterprises. They are saving money as we are getting products at a fraction of what would have been if fully imported. Also preventing handicaps incase politics denies access.

Our project management approach is less risk, we acquire mature off the shelf technologies via licensing, and it works well for us. We don't have failed, delayed products and wasted resources. We are technology integrators rather than creators and this has been a strength for us as we have limited resources and neither the can afford delays associated with new technology development..

This is why we have been so successful compared to our neighbour which is always reinventing the wheel out of ego/pride, and getting delayed and over priced products.

Now going by your and our noob fanboy logic/suggestion HIT and PAC should halt/pause deliveries to PA/PAF and start handing Afghans 100s of JF-17s and Al-Khalids at a time when they have no money so this will be on credit via Pak tax payer money. And with the volatility of that country you don't know who will be in power tomorrow or they will ever have the paying capacity or intent to repay. All because you think selling something means automatic profit in pocket. Also inviting sanctions on western partners/suppliers of HIT and PAC jeopardizing our capacity.

If we are sincere with Afghans concentration should be on civilian infrastructure rebuilding that is way more profitable and noble.

 

[Knight Rider]

why does Afghanistan need jets? they have no enemies in the neighborhood...

They already said Israel....They next targets are Palestine and Kashmir. And they also asked PAF, to help in training pilots for their air force and get the other pilots back who ran away to other countries due to the fear of being killed by the Talibans.

Let them run govt first i have reservation talibans lack the expertise in this area i understand islamic law would be enforced but there should be a balance between extremist islam which is not islam and libralism

We need to get both but not in at its extreme level

Talibans has to get someone to run govt which can keep pace with modern world it will be a big issue because who ever comes will have difficult time with taliban there are fictions in its machanism

What is Extreme Islam ?
They already hanged Child molestors and kiddnappers in chowk unlike our country which cant even protect our women and children from animals and crime rate has also dropped due to fear of Badri 313 unit.

what will they do with fighter jets?..

take them to a mountain top and then roll them down hoping to hit something?...

They already hit Americans,Nato,Soviets,Britishs,Mongols,Iskandar, even Persians etc etc. They got free goodies from US also recently and samples will be given to China also for a good deal.

Yes but this does not mean you give them advanced aerial platforms or massive armor regiments…….. keep them on gunships levels and maybe some older f-7pf but that’s it

k

They have discovered 1 trillion dollars of rare earth material treasure and also Uranium. Chinese and Russian leadership will not wait,they will give them everything the taliban need for that tresure. And they (Chinese and Russians) will also be the first ones to recognize the Taliban government in Afghanistan along with Pakistan and Iran. And also Pakistani SSG already trained their Taliban Badri Commandos unit which the Namak Harams, Americans and Indians fears.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

question is why and what for? against what country?
Taliban have established cordial relations with China, Russia and Iran. they have no problem with Pakistan or Turkey that requires an airforce.

to counter insurgency and smugglers the gunship helicopters and propeller planes will do fine.

what they will need JF17s to BVR with? Amer Ullah Saleh?

Yes they should tie up Saleh to a Tucano and shoot him like a BVR hehehe

What I'm saying is Pakistan first and telling you my observation on why despite good interest we haven't been able to materialize sales for some of our main products which is delivery timelines subject to own requirements. Pak military is and will always be the primary and priority client of our state defence enterprises. They are saving money as we are getting products at a fraction of what would have been if fully imported. Also preventing handicaps incase politics denies access.

Our project management approach is less risk, we acquire mature off the shelf technologies via licensing, and it works well for us. We don't have failed, delayed products and wasted resources. We are technology integrators rather than creators and this has been a strength for us as we have limited resources and neither the can afford delays associated with new technology development..

This is why we have been so successful compared to our neighbour which is always reinventing the wheel out of ego/pride, and getting delayed and over priced products.

Now going by your and our noob fanboy logic/suggestion HIT and PAC should halt/pause deliveries to PA/PAF and start handing Afghans 100s of JF-17s and Al-Khalids at a time when they have no money so this will be on credit via Pak tax payer money. And with the volatility of that country you don't know who will be in power tomorrow or they will ever have the paying capacity or intent to repay. All because you think selling something means automatic profit in pocket. Also inviting sanctions on western partners/suppliers of HIT and PAC jeopardizing our capacity.

If we are sincere with Afghans concentration should be on civilian infrastructure rebuilding that is way more profitable and noble.

I'm barely talking about 12-36 jets bro

 

[-=virus=-]

just gift them a nuke and be done with it.

 

[Raider 21]

They already said Israel....They next targets are Palestine and Kashmir. And they also asked PAF, to help in training pilots for their air force and get the other pilots back who ran away to other countries due to the fear of being killed by the Talibans.

I think I have read everything.

Why not an exchange program to fly F-16s so they'd get familiar with what the Israelis fly......

 

[Knight Rider]

I think I have read everything.

Why not an exchange program to fly F-16s so they'd get familiar with what the Israelis fly......

It took America 20 years to build an army against the Taliban and it took 9 days for the Talibans to defeat them. Allah is with them brother. Afghan Taliban are not like those Namak Harams and not our enemy. TTP and India are our enemies.

 

[CatSultan]

question is why and what for? against what country?
Taliban have established cordial relations with China, Russia and Iran. they have no problem with Pakistan or Turkey that requires an airforce.

to counter insurgency and smugglers the gunship helicopters and propeller planes will do fine.

what they will need JF17s to BVR with? Amer Ullah Saleh?

detterent against more US bombing and drone strikes. Since they hold cities now, they have to be able to defend them against Arial bombardment

 

[ghazi52]

Just to be honest I should buy one.

 

[jupiter2007]

Useless thread and waste of bandwidth. Let me add another stupid statement: Uncle Sam is going to give Taliban F-22.