JF17 V LCA Picture Comparison Thread

[WAQAS119]

This picture has 2 tails at the back or 2 fins etc at the back

THUNDER HAS ONE TAIL/FIN

SEE PICTURE BELOW

dude! these are not fins.
check out this pic and you will understand what is that.

have you ever seen fins on chest of a plane?

 

[flanker143]

no its not a fake ... if u see ...thats actually a the under belly !!!!!!

the vertical tale is on the other side !!!!!

i must admit that jf is very sexy jet !!

 

[Storm Force]

Those air shots of thunder look really good better than lca

But the ground shots of LCA are far better The tejas looks more modern

 

[WAQAS119]

i like this PSed one.


Squadron 26.

only camouflage color is PS otherwise picture is real.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

This picture has 2 tails at the back or 2 fins etc at the back

THUNDER HAS ONE TAIL/FIN

lol man the thing ur calling tails are not tails ... its the belly of the beast... and this pic was taken on march 23 parade... as i recall... and i dont know abt tejas avionics n stuff but Mr imran ur wrong dude....
and sir u can count the number of jets a squadron has...

 

[WAQAS119]

 

[Storm Force]

Thanks Guys lol for explaining that./

Thunder looks defo better in the air than the ground shots

 

[Capt.Popeye]

dude! these are not fins.
check out this pic and you will understand what is that.

have you ever seen fins on chest of a plane?

A small correction- they are in fact, fins. They are on what is known as the under-belly, not chest. The right terminology is ventral fins. Ventral fins are quite common on aircraft e.g. Mig-27, Mig-25 etc. Their purpose is different from the Vertical Stabiliser Fin (commonly called the Tail-Fin).

 

[SQ8]

Isnt that what you exactly need in a fighter aircraft?
Doesnt it also decrease drag, gives greater angle of attack and increases useful internal volume for fuel tanks, etc?


Compensated by the latest FBW-FCS, making the aircraft very agile.
Second point, yes. Its 1.75!

Lol. So did the brilliant Dassault engineers go terribly wrong with Mirage series fighters?

Lower Aspect ratio is good thing, but not always, it must compliment weight. It gives great improvements in maneuverability ala roll rate..but then anything above 15 degrees AoA and you will have a steep loss in lift to drag ratio.

You mistake high instantaneous rate for all aspect high agility.. Increases the chance of landing the first punch.. if that misses you are going to get KO'ed...EVERY brochure and article on the Mirage series (M2k) highlights its High Instantaneous rate vs the F-16.. none ever mention the sustained rate. The greeks are Livid with the Mirages since they are great A2A fighters...but their advantages in some aspects of combat come at a cost.

The Dassault engineers designed the mirage as a missile interceptor which is why the classic mirage's are not too good in a turning fight.( Dont bring the Israeli-Arab example here since in almost all known engagements the Arab pilots showed lack of initiative..lazy opponents dont count).

The A380's FBW and FCS can be altered to make it even more responsive than it is now.. but its still limited by being an A380.
The Mirage is limited by the Delta design..Which is why it was abandoned with the Rafale.

The M2K's CG shift and its aspect ratio were built in specifically to allow it to make the first move in combat..and get the first heater off in the merge. And it has proven itself in that department of Air combat...however..once that first move does not land the M2k a kill or at an advantage, then the M2k has a real fight on its hand. Lets assume the LCA is a mini M2k supposedly improved upon this...
Take the much touted LCA display video from aero india 2009.. and I'm calling it as I see it..when the high G turn is shown..the turn entrance is fast...probably nearing 23 degrees a sec...but..instants later established in the turn.. the nose starts to rise and the tail drops slightly..along with speed.. and the apogee of the turn goes farther away..till the end of the turn where the aircraft is visibly slower and the nose seems to be held up by the pilot to avoid losing altitude.

Which means that by this time he is becoming a very tempting target...
This is my gripe with the LCA, I love its looks.. but for all Ive seen and gathered, its not going to be as good as it should and could have been if different decisions were made by the people in charge...for me to even consider it as a 4.5 gen as claimed, it should have been capable of matching or out performing the Rafale in a knife fight.

 

[desiman]

Dont want to start flame war!

But i find it incapability of HAL to deliver on time, they are facing series of failures, but some fanboys are trying to hide the incompetency of HAL, by saying that "HAL is not producing it fast, bcoz they are gaining experience", i mean wtf is this? Which aircraft assembly in this world will have such policy? Every one in this world want to deliver on time, time is everything, but if u still insist then we are happy that u dont have LCA operational, and ur opponenets will always want LCA to take more time in development may be a decade or 2?

Some people are saying that its taking more time bcoz HAL is making it more better, but play these two videos then u will see the difference!
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YouTube - LCA Tejas flying display Aero india 2009

360 deg turn started from 0:38 and finished at 1:09! It took 30 sec!

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YouTube - 2008 Blue Angels Homecoming - F-16 Fighting Falcon Demo

And for F-16, it took only 18 seconds to complete 360 deg turn started from 03:38 and finished at 03:48!

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This shows what HAL has built, what will if LCA engages in WVR combat vs F-16 or JF-17? Surely LCA will be a delight for F-16/JF-17 pilot!

seriously i dont even want to comment on the stupidity of your post. They were engaging in two totally different maneuvers, and that explains the turning time. The LCA as agile as the F-16 and test pilots have been very impressed with it. Keep in mind these are pilot who fly the SU-30 and Mig-29's which are the best in the world in terms of turn ratios.

 

[Hasnain2009]

seriously i dont even want to comment on the stupidity of your post.

Bcoz u have nothing logical to say!

They were engaging in two totally different maneuvers, and that explains the turning time. The LCA as agile as the F-16 and test pilots have been very impressed with it. Keep in mind these are pilot who fly the SU-30 and Mig-29's which are the best in the world in terms of turn ratios.

They both are performing 360 deg turns, LCA takes 30 sec to complete, while F-16 takes only 17-18 seconds!

Another vid for u!

This vid again proves that low turning rate of LCA

 

[sab]

Did you tell the Tejas's Pilot to take the queekest posible turn as it was being recorded for comparison with others??? A clip from a air show proves nothing....

 

[Super Falcon]

well dont know about this much but yes the speed of plane comes very handy with these turns which lca lacks against these heavy weights gripen is same of F 16 class so i dont rate gripen near to raptor and typhoon

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

well dont know about this much but yes the speed of plane comes very handy with these turns which lca lacks against these heavy weights gripen is same of F 16 class so i dont rate gripen near to raptor and typhoon

Are you implying that an aircraft will attempt a high g manoeuvre(in this case 360 degree turn) at their max speed or even supersonic speed??

 

[Super Falcon]

yes whatever the turn rate engine should have max thrust to push fighter jet quckliy in opposite direstion and raptor and typhoon for sure have power and thrust more than tejas so thats why they have quick turn rate and their avionics made in a way so they are more flexible and agile when they need to turn example cheetah in full max speed can turn more faster tha tiger and lion and cheetah body is more fexible and agile