JF-XX(Strike Fighter)

[SQ8]

Is it possible to induct another 5 gen platform besides from Azm.
(maybe J-xx or TF-X)

Our designing area is quite weak. Rather than wasting time to bring up designs which keep getting rejected, is it not better to consult/Sub-Contract CAC. We already knew not everything can be done in Pakistan. Though we have to pay much more, but things atleast get done that way.

We work together with CAC and are now increasing our in-house design capacity.
The reason I don’t speculate on possibilities is due to our lack of funds.

 

[TOPGUN]

I hope you don't mind what I said, and take it in a positive manner.

Really happy to see you saw a problem, and went about trying to solve it, in whatever way you could. It has to be appreciated no doubt.

Best Regards & Good Job


It has to considered seriously, and PAF needs it. Will China sell / lease?

But don't you think that the aircraft will be a sitting duck while in the air / an easy target for the enemy ?

 

[Khafee]

But don't you think that the aircraft will be a sitting duck while in the air / an easy target for the enemy ?

Not at all. Why is the B52 still relevant today?

 

[TOPGUN]

Not at all. Why is the B52 still relevant today?

True, but bro thats the USAF you are talking about cant compare it no where towards PAF totally different league.

 

[SQ8]

True, but bro thats the USAF you are talking about cant compare it no where towards PAF totally different league.

Why not? The B-52 is even being considered to operate as an autonomous platform armed with a AESA radar and AMRAAMs to be able to both strike and defend itself.
In essence a 70 year old platform is being kept fairly relevant through technology updates.

 

[Khafee]

True, but bro thats the USAF you are talking about cant compare it no where towards PAF totally different league.

Have a look at this:

The H-6K can carry a heavier underwing loadout of six CJ-10 or CJ-20 cruise missiles with a range of over 900 or 1,500 miles—or alternately, YJ-12 anti-shipping missiles. Its combat radius is extended to around two thousand miles, or even 3,500 miles with inflight refueling. Sixteen H-6Ks have been built so far, and China is reportedly working on a new variant powered by domestically produced WS18 turbofans.

The H-6K’s range and combat load are still not equal to the American B-52—but they don’t have to be to get the job done. It can still fly very long distances while lugging large cruise missiles into firing range of potential targets. Like the B-52, the slow and not at all stealthy H-6 doesn’t want to be anywhere near opposing fighters or SAMs. But thanks to its long-range missiles, it can fire at targets a thousand miles away, giving it a total striking distance of 4,500 miles away from base when supported by inflight refueling.


Interestingly, though the H-6 could in theory carry a nuclear payload, it’s believed that the PLAAF doesn’t field any nuclear air-launched cruise missiles. This may be because Beijing is oriented towards defensive use of nuclear weapons, a strategy that prioritizes platforms is more likely to survive an adversary’s nuclear first strike, such as ground-based and submarine-launched missiles.

Instead, the H-6 could help extend the reach of its conventional strike capability and would be useful in the anti-shipping role. However, while the modernized H-6K may have all the attributes to be an effective maritime strike platform, it has been pointed out that Beijing may lack the extensive surveillance assets to locate and identify hostile ships for an H-6 to attack.


Nonetheless, the H-6’s combat record in 1988 suggests that cruise missile–armed bombers can do plenty of damage, even when not backed up by sophisticated intelligence-gathering capabilities.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...erything-you-want-know-about-beijings-b-18772

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Great idea

 

[untitled]

Have a look at this:

The other aspect that makes aircraft like these (Bears, B-52s and the H-6) effective is that they are constantly patrolling or maintaining holding patterns near their weapon delivery points. Is the PAF willing to spend in such type of operations?

 

[Mentee]

Why not?
China used to export H-6 to Iraq.

@MastanKhan
Sir How about we get a squadron of modified h - 6's, arm it with like 24-30 pl 15's and declare it a mother ship to be escorted by 2-3 f7's if needed as we got plenty of them to be retired - - - - - - - -.

We got the range, an unprecedented loiter time coupled with a Power punch and an on board formidable EW and jamming capability - - - - - - -.

All it has to do is to stay well within the safety of mainland airspace and fire volleys of bvrs on the intruders and then scoot away - - - - -

Just imagine 6 of such beasts on cap duty? they can cover the whole eastern border for atleast half a day only to be replaced by 6 others. I hope each of the hard point could take upto 4-5 bvrs - - - - - -.

P:S okay I realized my blunder, 3 of them as a pilot project?

 

[Khafee]

The other aspect that makes aircraft like these (Bears, B-52s and the H-6) effective is that they are constantly patrolling or maintaining holding patterns near their weapon delivery points. Is the PAF willing to spend in such type of operations?

Will it be every day? No.

I'll give you an e.g. when wilayat al faqih mullahs start jumping up and down, F22's show up, not a lot, just half a dozen, or F35. And then radio silence.

Get my point?

 

[Tps43]

@MastanKhan
Sir How about we get a squadron of modified h - 6's, arm it with like 24-30 pl 15's and declare it a mother ship to be escorted by 2-3 f7's if needed as we got plenty of them to be retired - - - - - - - -.

We got the range, an unprecedented loiter time coupled with a Power punch and an on board formidable EW and jamming capability - - - - - - -.

All it has to do is to stay well within the safety of mainland airspace and fire volleys of bvrs on the intruders and then scoot away - - - - -

Just imagine 6 of such beasts on cap duty? they can cover the whole eastern border for atleast half a day only to be replaced by 6 others. I hope each of the hard point could take upto 4-5 bvrs - - - - - -.

Getting H 6?



Mirages are better and they did a better job on 27 and they were the real surprise

 

[untitled]

Will it be every day? No.

Unfortunately no. I don't understand the context of your post
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As Oscar said making such aircraft autonomous is the way to go. Even during cold war such bomber missions were deemed unsurvivable. My understanding is in an all out war between US and Russia a significant number of B-52s and Bears will be shot down. Having said that even if 10 of each aircraft are able to deliver their payload we are talking about a huge amount of destruction

 

[LKJ86]

H-6K

 

[Khafee]

Unfortunately no. I don't understand the context of your post

As @Oscar said making such aircraft autonomous is the way to go. Even during cold war such bomber missions were deemed unsurvivable. My understanding is in an all out war between US and Russia a significant number of B-52s and Bears will be shot down

An aircraft with long range missiles onboard, and long range patrol / intel capabilities. Especially over sea.

Now does it make sense?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

in my opinion, in any case Pakistan will never go for FC-31 instead they are planing to develop their own single engine stealthy aircraft, which could be based upon the the experience of JF-17 and it would be a mixture of chines, Turkish and russian avionics, and this approach seems more logical when we keep in mined the followings:
1... design and development of a new fifth gen aircraft from scratch, requires a knowledge base and previous experience, infrastructure backed by sufficient budget
2... while state of economy is not suitable to spare a huge amount for research work in near future.
3.... Pakistan airforce has a long experience of single engine fighters jets, which mean training cost of manpower would be less.
4... maintenance and operative cost of a single engine aircraft is less ..
5... in that case shenyang which is developing FC-31 would be willing to invest in the development of this new aircraft keeping in mind PAF would be a confirmed customer. even i am expecting TAI too because such type of aircraft could be a hot cake for developing world countries... etc.. so the design could be something similar to this...

Why wo't Pak go for J 31?