JF-17B Updates, News & Discussion

[Haris Ali2140]

Am I being blind or is this a conformal fuel tank???

Spine which has been enlarged in B model.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I have a basic question.

In a twin fighter jet, what are the core responsibilities of the second pilot? I recall reading war stores from Anayat Allah, I learned the second pilot used to be Navigator which after the availability of interactive maps - is not a need anymore. So what tasks are divided between the front and the rare pilot of JF-17B?

Will a single-seat jet with equal capabilities against a twin-seat jet be at a disadvantage?

USAF calls the second person WSO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_systems_officer

 

[mshan44]

 

[khanasifm]

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So internal fuel capacity of B model and block 3 went up some sites not sure if official state normal take of weight went up to 93/9400kg With full internal fuel Plus 2x sidewinders from 9070kg / ~20000 lbs assuming most of it is fuel time will tell

 

[Danish Moazzam]

So internal fuel capacity of B model and block 3 went up some sites not sure if official state normal take of weight went up to 93/9400kg With full internal fuel Plus 2x sidewinders from 9070kg / ~20000 lbs assuming most of it is fuel time will tell

If that is true, then it means we are looking up freeing of under wing station previously used by fuel tank. With aerial refueling available. Raad can be worked on with JF-17

 

[CHI RULES]

You will have to give me more input. In the broad terms you framed the question - a stealth B-2 Spirit , lots of payload, lots of range and virtually undetectable. Go anywhere, bomb anything.

Sir sorry for late reply due to personal commitments, your view requested specifically in cae of PAF.

 

[dbc]

Sir sorry for late reply due to personal commitments, your view requested specifically in cae of PAF.

No worries, your question - what characteristics should the PAF choose in their strike fighter?
Just some random thoughts. First, neither the PAF or IAF have enough stand-off munitions in their respective inventory to last beyond a few weeks of an all out war. The Rafale can't effectively employ unguided munitions, this is one of its weakness thanks to its close coupled canard design. The IAF is extending the life of the Jaguar and Russian platforms and these are its only strike options using WWII era Iron bombs. This means that the IAF will have to come deep into Pakistan beyond week 3 or 4 to do damage.
The PAF does not have enough penetration into India for successfully air interdiction - this is a problem.
Again, cruise or ballistic missile attacks against static targets is of depreciating utility - since there is only so many bridges and depots you can strike before you run out of juicy static targets (assuming Pakistani CM/BM's are accurate).

So penetration, survivability and versatility (munitions) are desirable characteristics for a PAF strike aircraft.

The PAF needs to be able to reach deep into India with accurate conventional firepower.
This is lacking today, the F-16, JF-17, Mirage or J-10 etc will not solve this problem.
Plus work on the resupply of stand off munitions - you will need to replenish quickly.

 

[CHI RULES]

No worries, your question - what characteristics should the PAF choose in their strike fighter?
Just some random thoughts. First, neither the PAF or IAF have enough stand-off munitions in their respective inventory to last beyond a few weeks of an all out war. The Rafale can't effectively employ unguided munitions, this is one of its weakness thanks to its close coupled canard design. The IAF is extending the life of the Jaguar and Russian platforms and these are its only strike options using WWII era Iron bombs. This means that the IAF will have to come deep into Pakistan beyond week 3 or 4 to do damage.
The PAF does not have enough penetration into India for successfully air interdiction - this is a problem.
Again, cruise or ballistic missile attacks against static targets is of depreciating utility - since there is only so many bridges and depots you can strike before you run out of juicy static targets (assuming Pakistani CM/BM's are accurate).

So penetration, survivability and versatility (munitions) are desirable characteristics for a PAF strike aircraft.

The PAF needs to be able to reach deep into India with accurate conventional firepower.
This is lacking today, the F-16, JF-17, Mirage or J-10 etc will not solve this problem.
Plus work on the resupply of stand off munitions - you will need to replenish quickly.

Can you please suggest any fighter jet which fits PAF requirements. If you may allow I may dare to say that Jaguar after reported upgrades shall be a real threat along with Mirage 2000 for any future Indo-Pak collision if happens.

 

[Trailer23]

Helmets looks different

Basic Gentex HGU-55.

 

[khanasifm]

If that is true, then it means we are looking up freeing of under wing station previously used by fuel tank. With aerial refueling available. Raad can be worked on with JF-17

One other thing if wingtip are strengthen to carry sd-10 than underwing pylons can carry drop tanks plus a2g load leaving centerline for jammer /ldp making jf swing role with decent range

Assuming internal captivity of 3300-3500 liters and 1600 liters in drop tanks plus mission load will give decent range by the way jf still out performs mirage and f-7 in range due to turbofan engine vs turbojet mirage is fuel guzzler

f-7 range is so so and should not be compared at all

 

[khanasifm]

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Not sure if green color represent composite panels /skin or fuel cell with specific coating
latest f-15 it represent composites and it has gone For f-15

lastly specs for jf-17 again ferry range per Chinese 3000 km while pac poster 2000 km not sure why ?

Not sure if green color represent composite panels /skin or fuel cell with specific coating
latest f-15 it represent composites and it has gone For f-15

lastly specs for jf-17 again ferry range per Chinese 3000 km while pac poster 2000 km not sure why ?

 

[HRK]

lastly specs for jf-17 again ferry range per Chinese 3000 km while pac poster 2000 km not sure why ?

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3000 Km with 3 drop tanks only
2000 Km might represent range with useful payload in addition with drop tanks

 

[Thorough Pro]

Ferry range means the maximum range the aircraft can fly. This usually means maximum fuel load, optionally with extra fuel tanks and minimum equipment. It refers to transport of aircraft without any passengers or cargo.

3000 Km with 3 drop tanks only
2000 Km might represent range with useful payload in addition with drop tanks

 

[Dazzler]

 

[khanasifm]

3000 Km with 3 drop tanks only
2000 Km might represent range with useful payload in addition with drop tanks

what is

Definition of ferry range ??