JF-17B - EW 'Growler'

[Great Janjua]

Would a J-15 be considered Russian Intellectual property? Considering the Chinese bought a T-10K prototype from Ukraine, it’s technically not Russian.

But, Realistically, would a EW platform based on the J-10CE be more feasible, due to the PAF’s budget and desire to limit the number of types in the fleet

Perhaps the pods can be made with their power supply, decreasing the dependence on the WS-10B engine of the J-10CE.

Whatever is acquired it would have to be able to serve for decades to come.

Exactly it would be more viable to add EW growler type capability to j-10 since it's a bigger fighter with extra headroom for power demanding EW equipment. Jf-17 is child's play. Jf-17 is a good airframe but it has its limits.

 

[FuturePAF]

Exactly it would be more viable to add EW growler type capability to j-10 since it's a bigger fighter with extra headroom for power demanding EW equipment. Jf-17 is child's play. Jf-17 is a good airframe but it has its limits.

Not only that, but we have to find a way to make the J-10 work, because the PAF will probably only procure one additional 4th Gen platform. Looking at the flight envelope of the F-18 Growlers should indicate how maneuverable the J-10s should try to match.

E/A-18G Growler - Flight Envelope - Defense Update:

Comparison of the Super Hornet and Growler flight envelopes with and without the ALQ-99 pod. Chart: NAVAIR

defense-update.com

Second the pods should have their own internal power, taking the burden off the platform. Similar to the next generation jammers being developed for the F-18 Growlers.

The Biggest Benefit Of The Navy’s Next Generation Jammer May Be Reliability

With production of new Next Generation Jammer Mid-Band (NGJ-MB) electronic jamming pods for the Navy’s EA-18G Growler confirmed, a move to “smart jamming” will begin but the NGJ’s greatest asset may be dependability.

www.google.com

 

[DJ_Viper]

A modified JH-7 Would work as EW growler role
Since it has ability to outrun other planes due to it's Top Speed

The plane is also quite large that it can fit in many sensors
Would imagine this bird can stay up in air longer as well

The Thunder platform would be better to escort the unit , and be armed with weapons

Chinese have opted to convert one of their J-16D platform to EW role , so we may not even need to convert anything , Just get 1 squadron of J-16-D

The size of JF17 would be limiting factor as JF17-Thunder is in true sense is a Fighter Jet not designed to carry bulky EW gadget , it can do that role but loitering time in air would be less I would assume

May be if J16-D stays in air 3 hours (speculation), JF17 would perhaps would need to refuel in 2.3 hours (speculation)

But it is in theory possible to convert JF17 Block 2 , into JF17 Block 2 (EW) mode
Since we already have 50+ Block 2 , we will have flexibility to rotate the Growler mode if need be

I think we are confusing a few things so thought I'd clarify. The Jamming is usually required during offensive missions (or defensive missions to jam offensive bogies contact capability, as well as to fool the radars). The flight time of these special mission aircrafts is no longer than the mission's time. The JFT EW will fly the same amount as compared to the regular JFT's so if it's 3 hours before refueling, it will be 3 hours for JFT EW also.

Secondly, it seems as everyone's reacting to the pictures of the J-16 EW jet with 5 jamming pods. None of us know the scenarios under which those 5 PODS were used. Or, whether there are only 3 real pods and the other 2 were for capability display only. You could get your missions accomplished with 3 EW pods too. However, the JFT can take 5 pods. 3 pods with heavier internal power generation is applicable.

The airframe stress is a moot point as these aircrafts can carry LGB's, cruise missiles, etc. These pods can't be heavier than 500/1000 pound munitions or cruise missiles.

Lastly, JH-7A is a strike platform. Inducting it won't make any sense as you'd have to setup a maintenance facility or two and the PAF's doctrine doesn't call out for strike aircraft. With S-400's right off the border, these heavy and old aircraft will have a hard time penetrating into another airspace. J-16 probably won't be allowed as it's China's top tier aircraft and has Russian components or itself a Russian derived product. The PAF does need heavies for it's ocean side needs so may be if those are inducted, the EW version for naval ops will come out too.

Witth-in 100 Miles of IB ? easy picking for MLRS, not going to happen. Expect them to be placed 200 odd miles away from IB, even then they be in reach of A-300 MLRS system along with other SoW, BMs, CMs.

If MLRS are going to do the job and you are so confident, then why use an air force? Let the MLRS and BM's and CM's do the job! Posts like this makes you wonder if the poster thought about the enemy. A 2.5 times larger airforce on the other side with thousands of supersonic cruise missiles and satellite monitoring, wouldn't have thought about taking these MLRS and other artillery / CM / BM's out? Consider all options first.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Dedicated EW platforms are expensive and critical assets, they will never be disclosed.

 

[Signalian]

Let's see, 3 HP's taken by fuel tanks. One MER fitted with two Sd-10's and the remainder 4 with jamming PODs, two on wingtips and two on remainder hardpoints. You could in theory use one more pod in lieu of one fuel tank making it 5 jamming / EW pods. This is a good step in the right direction.

Now Pakistan needs some heavies, a local / ToT based BVR and a SAM system to start that industry to build knowledge base and flourish, and lastly a Hypersonic vehicle.

You need some essentials:
1. Data link
2. SATCOM
3. A pod with lots of antennas to detect enemy emitters
4. A pod designed to intercept, process and jam signals, while determining their direction preferable with 360 deg coverage.
5. A dedicated versatile jammer that can switch to any sort of jamming the pilot requires.

Preferably an AESA radar and if ARMs can be added on, otherwise Data link can help other aircrafts of formation to use their ARMs or BVR AAMs.