JF-17 with AESA radar and helmet mounted system and the PL-15 misile will replace F16 as top jet ?

[Umar Nazir]

Time on station matters lot n is the difference between life n death.
Look at the Arab Israel wars n the biggest lesson learnt is that the lsraelis know the short legged nature of the mig 21 n hence waited till it was time for them to land n than attacked n in the process decemiated the Arab air forces.
Similarly if intelligent tactics r employed the su 30 can wait for as long as it wants n than attack causing nothing but devastation.
So PAF n the rest of the cheering brigade needs to chill n take a step back n pounder over its short comings n devise ways to over come them.
As this time ALLAH has blessed us greatly but things won't be the same every time.
War is around the corner n we don't have the luxury of time any more

1972 was the Erra when there was no better radar and off course no BVR.

Hi,

What about the bases being 200 Km away---?

What do you want to say---write clearly please---?

simple, India Pakistan air war will be fought from foreword basis of Punjab and Kashmir , and distance between Pakistani and Indian air basis in that region is less than 200 Km.

 

[MastanKhan]

1972 was the Erra when there was no better radar and off course no BVR.


simple, India Pakistan air war will be fought from foreword basis of Punjab and Kashmir , and distance between Pakistani and Indian air basis in that region is less than 200 Km.

Hi,

That is a misconception---. In a full scale war---pakistan's forward air bases will be taken out within a day or two---.

They are all in the range of MRL's---and short range surface to surface missiles and standoff weapons---.

What does radar and bvr had to do when your aircraft has to land every 1 1/2 hour and the enemy aircraft can stay in the air for 4 1/2 hours---?

 

[Umar Nazir]

Hi,

That is a misconception---. In a full scale war---pakistan's forward air bases will be taken out within a day or two---.

They are all in the range of MRL's---and short range surface to surface missiles and standoff weapons---.

What does radar and bvr had to do when your aircraft has to land every 1 1/2 hour and the enemy aircraft can stay in the air for 4 1/2 hours---?

only in ur dreams, just check overall score between PAF and IAF since 1959

 

[MastanKhan]

only in ur dreams, just check overall score between PAF and IAF since 1959
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Hi,

Please talk tactics and strategy---. This is a defense forum not a coke & paan stand where you talking big amongst your buddies---.

 

[The Accountant]

Hi,

That is a misconception---. In a full scale war---pakistan's forward air bases will be taken out within a day or two---.

They are all in the range of MRL's---and short range surface to surface missiles and standoff weapons---.

What does radar and bvr had to do when your aircraft has to land every 1 1/2 hour and the enemy aircraft can stay in the air for 4 1/2 hours---?

Tour point is valid but matching everthing neck to neck is not possible so we came out with a different approach ... our turn around time are lesser and our pilot to aircraft ratios r much better furthermore tankers and landings on motorways r also in our plans ...

Higher loitter time has it advantages but bigger airframe has its disadvantages as well like we were able to fire our bvr from a distance where mki were not having any firing solution for any of the aircraft ...

So yes we r at disadvantage in loiter time but we can counter it by having other strengths ...

However in case of anti sea operation loiter time is a must required item so we need a big maritime strike items otherwise our ships will be strike exactly at the time when our aircrafts will be landing for refuelling

 

[Fieldmarshal]

1972 was the Erra when there was no better radar and off course no BVR.


simple, India Pakistan air war will be fought from foreword basis of Punjab and Kashmir , and distance between Pakistani and Indian air basis in that region is less than 200 Km.

Bvr is not the be all end all of aerial warfare as it is being made out to be and that is the biggest lesson from 27th Feb.
As in the presence of supperior tactics, electronic warefare, awacs etc and the short distances involved between indo - Pakistan, the ac will in all probability merge before any one can get a confirm lock.
At least one of the ac was shot down using a short range missile.
PAF superior electronic warefare strategy which basically blinded the opposing package n allowed our jocks to do wt they did, is the real success in our case.
But having said that my worry is that PAF might have given away more than wt they might have learnt, without really driving the advantage home.

IAF will use its assets to its advantage n not to PAF advantage n that is the range of the Indian fleet. Only an inept commander will park or use iaf forward basis unless achieving complete air suppiority.
Don't underestimate ur enemy. IAF will not make the same mistake again.

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

if our 1980s fighter are still our top fighter, than its very alarming situation for paf in full fledged future war

Like on 27th February 2019?

 

[MastanKhan]

Tour point is valid but matching everthing neck to neck is not possible so we came out with a different approach ... our turn around time are lesser and our pilot to aircraft ratios r much better furthermore tankers and landings on motorways r also in our plans ...

Higher loitter time has it advantages but bigger airframe has its disadvantages as well like we were able to fire our bvr from a distance where mki were not having any firing solution for any of the aircraft ...

So yes we r at disadvantage in loiter time but we can counter it by having other strengths ...

However in case of anti sea operation loiter time is a must required item so we need a big maritime strike items otherwise our ships will be strike exactly at the time when our aircrafts will be landing for refuelling

Hi,

The massive walls of Constantinopole did not protect the city---heavy weapons--- a larger and committed enemy prevailed---.

If our forward airbases will play havoc on the enemy---then most of our industrial complexes are also close to the enemy border and within standoff weapons range---.

 

[Umar Nazir]

Like on 27th February 2019?

on 27 feb, it was great skill and strategy of our PAF rather than technology which make us proud

 

[Hayreddin]

Aesa , hmd , pl 15 just 3 systems been mentioned . There are alot more new n advanced systems being trialed and tested on jft block 3 . So guys stay tuned and mark my words its Air beast in making and it would be FAR more better and advanced than our any current jet available atm .

 

[Kabotar]

Aesa , hmd , pl 15 just 3 systems been mentioned . There are alot more new n advanced systems being trialed and tested on jft block 3 . So guys stay tuned and mark my words its Air beast in making and it would be FAR more better and advanced than our any current jet available atm .

Is this statement based on an assessment or actual progress of the program?

 

[Hayreddin]

Is this statement based on an assessment or actual progress of the program?

Both .....
And has shown showing jaw droping outcomes .

 

[S.Y.A]

simple, India Pakistan air war will be fought from foreword basis of Punjab and Kashmir , and distance between Pakistani and Indian air basis in that region is less than 200 Km.

what about naval bases? what about other strategic installations that must be attacked during a war? long range aircraft are needed to hit them hard.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

The acquisition of JF-17 Thunders is to replace A-5s (completed), F-7s, Mirage-IIIs and Mirage-5s.

It was never designed to replace the F-16s. Project Azm will replace the F-16s Insha'Allah.

 

[Ultima Thule]

only in ur dreams, just check overall score between PAF and IAF since 1959
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Be real kid @Umair Nawaz