JF-17 Thunder Test Flown By Several Nations!

[mirage 5000]

India is buying 120 jets and 10b yes BIG b. that's why delay.

what big B in indian dream ? SAUDIS buy 60 billion dollars jets and equipment and never make a single drama like you guys problem is you guys look like new former come in city for buy a bike lolz

US: $60 Billion Weapons Sale to Saudis Won’t Change Balance

US: $60 Billion Weapons Sale to Saudis Won

you guys make drama as you buy whole world .lolz mother of deals hahahahahaahhahahah

 

[SBD-3]

50 % share is possible if only pak reached an agreement before hand for 3 party sale..
otherwise not,,china can outsource assembling work to pak which i think is only possible if they have surplus contract..

Not another einstein . CAC has continously working on other projects as well, J-10B,J-10AH,J-20 and who knows. The JFT project was between CAC and PAF, not PLAAF and PAF. You know what? JFT would cost PLAAF more than PAF as PLAAF has not invested in JFT project. For them J-10 may cost equally or even lesser than JFT (depending upon their share of development costs). Man, we do need some vigilantees here

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what big B in indian dream ? SAUDIS buy 60 billion dollars jets and equipment and never make a single drama like you guys problem is you guys look like new former come in city for buy a bike lolz

US: $60 Billion Weapons Sale to Saudis Won’t Change Balance

US: $60 Billion Weapons Sale to Saudis Won

you guys make drama as you buy whole world .lolz mother of deals hahahahahaahhahahah

kindly change the font size it looks inapproperiate

 

[SBD-3]

will pak members agree that in future if russia sells pakfa to any country , india will get 50% ?

this is what i believe
1. though india invested 50 % project cost, it is a development partner for may b 20% of components like composites, software , ,etc
2. on 3 rd party sale if russia uses indian developed or manufactured products, india will get a share only for that not 50% of whole deal
3. i guess indian contribution to pak fa is more than pak contribution to jf 17

Depends upon deal by deal, If I were an Indian policymaker,given the situation russians were in when they offered India a partership (if india entered, it was sucess, otherwise it was a cold storage). I would have not been satisfied below at least 90% of industrial interest and 50% of financial interest. Somewhat speaks of lack of strategic thinking in Indian policy machine

 

[SBD-3]

but also look the the grim prospect of it , by doing so they have blocked all doors for Pakistan not only for aircraft sales but for avionics and other systems as well , though Pakistan have been lucky to have access to Chinese equipment, if China wouldn't have been a success story in military aviation, it would have been a ruffling scenario for Pak military

But till howlong Indians could play? At some point they had to show their cards. But this game has almost caught them in hot waters as PAF may start inducting FC-20 ahead of IAF's induction of MMRCA contender. Given the track record, I can assure you that PAF will complete inducting 150 (rumored number) platforms before IAF inducts 120. remember that according to pupu (i guess) Chinese production lines are operating circa 20-30% in peacetime.

 

[Mani2020]

But till howlong Indians could play? At some point they had to show their cards. But this game has almost caught them in hot waters as PAF may start inducting FC-20 ahead of IAF's induction of MMRCA contender. Given the track record, I can assure you that PAF will complete inducting 150 (rumored number) platforms before IAF inducts 120. remember that according to pupu (i guess) Chinese production lines are operating circa 20-30% in peacetime.

Thats why i said in my post when i say "but Pakistan is lucky enough to have access to Chinese equipment"

indians when tried this tactic were not able to pick up that anything like FC-20 exists or will ever exist , they thought J-10 to be inferior to western aircrafts so it wouldn't have made any difference to them at that time if PAF goes for J-10 , their main aim was to block all sales around the world without having even a bit of thought or imagination about china been coming so far with so many things in a small period of time .

And honestly they would have afford to hold on , coz they already had mki's in great numbers around 275 which they feel proud of , while their mirages and mig-29's were also good and updated platforms where as PAF apart from few old f-16's that too not BVR capable had nothing to show off (atleast on paper) when it all started but now the quick deliveries of jf-17 and rumors about FC-20 would atleast have given them a chill in the spine but still i don't think their situation is that much crippling when we compare them with PAF

But in case of China the situation takes a turn around , just for trapping PAF they forgot that there is also a military beast around them named China which is modernizing heavily and the gap is increasing like anything, Their strategy fired back on them and now after every few months later you see reports by their military or defence officials showing their desperation and speak tons for the frustration they are having.

With the modernization of China i don't think india is going to hold for so long, sooner you will see them deciding on what they want .

They tried to engulf PAF with their strategy but their strategy made them to be engulfed by PLAAF

 

[sathya]

Original Post By hasnain0099

Not another einstein . CAC has continously working on other projects as well, J-10B,J-10AH,J-20 and who knows. The JFT project was between CAC and PAF, not PLAAF and PAF. You know what? JFT would cost PLAAF more than PAF as PLAAF has not invested in JFT project. For them J-10 may cost equally or even lesser than JFT (depending upon their share of development costs). Man, we do need some vigilantees here

dude i am exactly asking the same thing.... u r even branding PLAAF as 3 rd party..
to sell jf 17 who holds the major right ?
say if india pays lockheed for development of new aircraft , and if lockheed sells the same product to some other country, how much will they give india ?

 

[luckyyy]

what big B in indian dream ? SAUDIS buy 60 billion dollars jets and equipment and never make a single drama like you guys problem is you guys look like new former come in city for buy a bike lolz

US: $60 Billion Weapons Sale to Saudis Won’t Change Balance

US: $60 Billion Weapons Sale to Saudis Won

you guys make drama as you buy whole world .lolz mother of deals hahahahahaahhahahah

isn't it quit clear that indian got more in just spending $10bn then the soudies didn't got even spending $60bn.....technology !

 

[sathya]

Depends upon deal by deal, If I were an Indian policymaker,given the situation russians were in when they offered India a partership (if india entered, it was sucess, otherwise it was a cold storage). I would have not been satisfied below at least 90% of industrial interest and 50% of financial interest. Somewhat speaks of lack of strategic thinking in Indian policy machine

i really dont know how much % india will get... that was m assumption .
i was expecting some quality reply.. so that it ll b more interesting ..
atleast got a reply... thanx 2 u 4 that..

 

[sathya]

indians when tried this tactic were not able to pick up that anything like FC-20 exists or will ever exist , they thought J-10 to be inferior to western aircrafts so it wouldn't have made any difference to them at that time if PAF goes for J-10 , their main aim was to block all sales around the world without having even a bit of thought or imagination about china been coming so far with so many things in a small period of time .

And honestly they would have afford to hold on , coz they already had mki's in great numbers around 275 which they feel proud of , while their mirages and mig-29's were also good and updated platforms where as PAF apart from few old f-16's that too not BVR capable had nothing to show off (atleast on paper) when it all started but now the quick deliveries of jf-17 and rumors about FC-20 would atleast have given them a chill in the spine but still i don't think their situation is that much crippling when we compare them with PAF

But in case of China the situation takes a turn around , just for trapping PAF they forgot that there is also a military beast around them named China which is modernizing heavily and the gap is increasing like anything, Their strategy fired back on them and now after every few months later you see reports by their military or defence officials showing their desperation and speak tons for the frustration they are having.

With the modernization of China i don't think india is going to hold for so long, sooner you will see them deciding on what they want .

They tried to engulf PAF with their strategy but their strategy made them to be engulfed by PLAAF

once LCA mk2 is developed,u ll see mass induction..
total no. of squadrons will b raised to a decent level against plaaf

 

[Silk]

The LCA in any form has zero value agains PLAAF. Will you fly it over the Himalaya's? It is just a light and not cheap (mostly imported tech) fighter jet. Not something important.

 

[mirage 5000]

isn't it quit clear that indian got more in just spending $10bn then the soudies didn't got even spending $60bn.....technology !

go check the deal first dude.

 

[SBD-3]

once LCA mk2 is developed,u ll see mass induction..
total no. of squadrons will b raised to a decent level against plaaf

will see....

 

[SBD-3]

i really dont know how much % india will get... that was m assumption .
i was expecting some quality reply.. so that it ll b more interesting ..
atleast got a reply... thanx 2 u 4 that..

AFAIK industrial interest is circa 25% including some avionics (Displays) and some part of fuselage, not impressive indeed.

 

[SBD-3]

Original Post By hasnain0099

Not another einstein . CAC has continously working on other projects as well, J-10B,J-10AH,J-20 and who knows. The JFT project was between CAC and PAF, not PLAAF and PAF. You know what? JFT would cost PLAAF more than PAF as PLAAF has not invested in JFT project. For them J-10 may cost equally or even lesser than JFT (depending upon their share of development costs). Man, we do need some vigilantees here

dude i am exactly asking the same thing.... u r even branding PLAAF as 3 rd party..
to sell jf 17 who holds the major right ?
say if india pays lockheed for development of new aircraft , and if lockheed sells the same product to some other country, how much will they give india ?

I read ur post three times, but what is the point you are trying to make???

 

[Mani2020]

I read ur post three times, but what is the point you are trying to make???

lol his post is far better than the one who has eaten my brain man , that person in another thread has just allien thoughts lol check out there and read his logics