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JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

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No, you haven't understood my post at all. Show me which production single engine aircraft uses TVC? JF-17 is a real aircraft, not an experimental design. I don't want to digress into X31 on a JF-17 thread, but I only want to point out that X31 is experimental and we cannot directly take the findings as ground truth. Also, in the area of combat maneuvers, the article is validating what I stated eariler: post-stall maneuvers give it an advantage if at enemy's six.



Awesome news. Is this a recent development, or an earlier one that is being announced now?

I was told the wprk was began in july 2017.
 
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Can thrust vectoring reduce take-off/landing ( TO/L ) distance ?

At current time, there are two main methods to reduce TO/L distance -- for FIXED WINGS aircraft:

- Speed. As in getting as fast as possible in as shortest a time as possible. The aircraft carrier catapult is an example of this.

On a land runway, on a normal take-off, the pilot increases throttle and hold down the brakes. At a certain point, engine thrust will overcome the brakes and the aircraft will begin to move regardless of the applied brakes. Pilots always release the brakes before this occurs. Then the aircraft begins to move forward and build speed. Eventually, the ground speed is enough where aerodynamics takes over and lift the aircraft off the ground.

On an aircraft carrier catapult, the catapult is essentially a powerful external force that overpowers the aircraft's engine(s) and propels the aircraft forward. This power is near instantaneous. That is why US Navy pilots braces themselves before catapult launches.

Can we use the catapult on land ? Yes. But why when we have all that land available ? Another method of producing a similar kind of near instantaneous power is the rocket, as in 'rocket assisted take-off' ( RATO ) where a bank of rockets overpowers the aircraft's engines and propels the aircraft forward.

-Thrust vectoring. As in using engine thrust other than longitudinal of the aircraft's main axis line. The famous Harrier is an example of this.

Here is an excellent source explaining how the Harrier uses TVC to reduce TO/L distance.

http://web.mit.edu/2.972/www/reports/harrier_jet/vectored_thrust_engine.html
...the rear thrust must be closer to the center of gravity of the aircraft and the front thrust farther from the center.
The Harrier's engine thrust are on BOTH sides of the jet. There are FOUR thrust nozzles. Two nozzles that are forward of center of gravity ( CG ). Two nozzles that are near CG.

The F-35's single engine uses a similar arrangement with a forward fan section and redirected rear thrust.

For an extreme, look at the helicopter. Its TO/L distance is zero. One hundred percent of engine thrust is used to literally lift the aircraft off the ground, then that thrust is redirected to move the aircraft forward. That is the famous body tilt usually exhibited by any helo after it is off the ground.

What this means is that we cannot simply install the F135 TVC into a regular F-16 and expect to have any beneficial reduction in TO/L distance. All we would do is lift the tail.
 
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advantages: Kids going crazy over the stunts performed by a jangi jahaz . Yaaaay

disadvantages : These gimmicks wont stop a bvr to tear it apart
advantage, it will become competitive in the WVR battles. Current doctrine calls for it to engage at medium range, to take advantage of its reduced RCS.
 
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advantage, it will become competitive in the WVR battles. Current doctrine calls for it to engage at medium range, to take advantage of its reduced RCS.
hi, why did the spartans prefer lance like spears against the persians despite having swords ? :unsure:
 
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advantage, it will become competitive in the WVR battles. Current doctrine calls for it to engage at medium range, to take advantage of its reduced RCS.

Hi,

Is this a part of a comedy act---like a joke or what?

hi, why did the spartans prefer lance like spears against the persians despite having swords ? :unsure:

Hi,

At least not for the prsian to get within the wvr.
 
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hi, why did the spartans prefer lance like spears against the persians despite having swords ? :unsure:
But they must have carried their swords as well. You cannot rely on long distance engagement alone especially in Indo Pak scenario.
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But they must have carried their swords as well. You cannot rely on long distance engagement alone especially in Indo Pak scenario.
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On the battlefield you usually have a separation of duties: spear throwers and swordsmen. But in modern aerial combat, aircraft are expected to perform both WVR and BVR equally well. The standard CAP load out of Thunder is 2 WVR on wingtips + 2 BVR underneath.

According to one USAF veteran, as technology keeps on progressing, BVRs will face counter-measures and the cycle will continue. This means, in practice, WVR will always be a possibility you need to prepare for. The golden era of F-22 carrying only BVRs is already gone. The Americans capitalized on the cluelessness of the rest of the world during the 80s and 90s. The world has woken up since then and now even F-22 is armed with AIM-9X.
 
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