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Syed Hussain.1= F-135 is coming with a unit price of 13 million, now do the labor of rest of the math and google yourself.
2= Even in Block 3, JF-17 will be no where near Block 52+ cuz it simply don't have the air frame capacity.
3= J-10 didn't worked out?
It's B variant falls between the block 52 and 60 in sensors+avionics and aerodynamically it just outclasses the falcon with an air frame even superior to that of the flankers.
The Aviationist » Chinese J-10A Fighter Jet Locks on Su-30MKK2 Flanker
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Kindly stop your rude attitude. If you had opened your eyes and read the post i have quoted the price to you both of EJ200 and RD93. The difference is substantial. The point remains that Pakistan cannot afford the EJ200 series engine as the cost differential is not sustainable for the fleet substittution that PAF is looking for. So no need to remind me to do the maths for I have laready done it .
PAF designed the JFT for a specific purpose. It was not meant to go toe to toe with XYZ, but to establish aviation industry in Pakistan with a product which would be easy to integrate and absorb. It will be upgraded as per requirements and available finances. not on your whims.
PLAAF has just released J10 A for sale. To date there is no news that J10 B or C is up for sale. If you have any resource to suggest that please produce. The last we heard from Pshamim of pakdef.info was that the Chinese wanted 40 million per unit for 40 J10 A(20110-12) PAF offered or estimated the cost per plane to be 28 million. We now do not even have money to pay the 28 million much less establish infrastructure for an additional 4th generation fighter.
Funny that PAF pilots as per windjammer andHkhan of pakdef.info have reported flame out of J10 engines during the recent PAF and PLAAF exercises in China. No one has actually come out with how the JFT performed in comparison to J10 series. Your assumptions regarding Chinese avionics are unproven and need verification. Needless to say that once technologies mature PAF will incorporate these into JFT as it has earlier.. Perhaps you are unwaware of the recent 2 crashes of j10Bs which are curerently being investigated.
Whatever I have asked you I have asked you civilly, dont respond to a civil post with rudeness. If you dont want to respond to me please feel free to put me on your ignore list.
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Thank you for clearifying that. As you can see the price differential is massive and adds to the per unit cost plus cost of integration on to platform plus modifications plus infrastructure. You then have the added disadvantage of dealing with 3-4 Governments which may or may not approve the engine. The smoke aside RD93 has performed well and has been hassle free in PAFs hands. So one has to justify such a massive change with tangible benefits which purely on cost do not matchup. PAF is broke and does not have the additional leeway with cash to be extravagant.There are aways many ways of looking a things and while I can see the advantages, I cant see it happeneing due to cost constraints.the rd-93 is 79 kn dry and 98kn wet
the ej-200 (stage 2) is 78 dry and 120kn wet
yes it would be in excess of 10 million.
the point I am making is think of the benefits of having the engne regardless of price.
true the jf-17 was made to be cheap, but it has the benefits of being more effecient/faster, more range, more stealthy with the ability to super cruise and its lighter as well.
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I think you are right in your assumptions although I take any projections of investment in Pakistan with a pinch of salt having grown up on these rumours. As to complete TOT I cant see us being able to absorb the technology of engine building. We dont even manufacture car engines much less turbo fans so we are very far away from that stage.Why would you go EJ2000 for the JFT? The engine and overhaul, spare and maintenance would cost billions of dollars for no good reason. Stick to RD-93 MA and hopefully get TOT for a Chinese variant soon, specific to the JFT. You'll never hve to worry about sanctions. Plus Russia has never sanctioned anyone unless they were at a conflict with them. In Pakistan's case, they are getting ready to start investing $ 5-5 billion packages and then there is a $ 20 billion package slated for 2018 to help Pakistan find, extract and mine Iron and Copper and then build Metal at the Steel mills in Karachi and Punjab. So for a few million per engine, why would they risk their own billions they'll be investing into Pakistan??
The JFT, at some point, needs to have all the TOT provided to Pakistan, including a Chinese engine. That way, the entire soup to nuts will be produced and manufactured in Pakistan (at-least up till block II and III).
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