JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Tempest II]

Some Pix of the the JF-17 Model i took in Cadet College Hassan Abdal.

Apologies for the low quality [light was bad]


Me and my Thunder.

Thanks. Very nice “model”. But why have you have put only one picture of the model and 5 pictures of the JF-17! lol.

Thanks

 

[farhan_9909]

Translated One.

Abstract: Facing the trend of the national Air Force Dress active phased array radar, the exhibition side, said Third World countries may not need the short term, but once put forward the demand to the existing body can dress and do not require large improvements. In addition, Ray Stone -6, the use of domestic positioning system precision-guided weapons can also be equipped with the Xiaolong aircraft.

Xiaolong fighter model unveiled the Singapore Air Show. Photography : Liu Xuan

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February 14, the opening of the 3rd Singapore Airshow. In this year's Singapore Airshow, China Aviation Technology Import and Export Corporation on display to bring Xiaolong, L-15, pterosaurs and unmanned aerial vehicles and other military aircraft model exhibitors. Xiaolong fighter real machine this year did not go to the Singapore Airshow scene, Xiaolong caused by the countries in the aviation industry, especially the attention of the Third World countries.

Short-term there will not be significantly improved Xiaolong fighter

Xiaolong fighter debut at the Dubai Air Show last year , Xiaolong fighter when launched remodeling has been the focus of attention. But the CATIC staff to participate in this air show the expressed Xiaolong fighter short term will not significantly improved appearance. However, staff also said the Xiaolong aircraft has been in the transformation, the transformation project is part of the electronic system and other details. The staff said that since its debut Xiaolong fighter, carried out the details of the improvements have been up to hundreds. Xiaolong fighters located in the Third World countries, to win, not like Western fighters as the pursuit of the most advanced concepts and the most advanced technology to cost-effectively. Because the majority of potential buyers of users affected by economic conditions and level of maintenance limit, it is difficult to conservation that the pursuit of fashionable "advanced fighters.

Russian-made fighter will not affect the sales of the Xiaolong aircraft

Reference to the Russian-made fighter Xiaolong fighter overseas markets in the CATIC stand, the exhibition's staff said that the goal of the Xiaolong aircraft alternative Third World countries the existing fleet of MiG-21, Mirage -3 The second-generation single light aircraft. At present, Russia's military exports more than double heavy fighter aircraft of the Sukhoi company Xiaolong aircraft positioning is completely different. In addition, Xiaolong fighter in the export, with technology transfer Xiaolong fighter now one of the important selling points.

Xiaolong fighter is quite advanced electronic equipment

At present, the world of third-generation fighter active duty electronic upgrade. In this year's Singapore Airshow, Boeing, Raytheon and other companies have asked the third-generation fighter plane electronic equipment upgrade program. In this regard, the front of reports on the future of the Xiaolong aircraft electronic equipment upgrades ask the the CATIC staff. Xiaolong fighter is quite advanced electronic equipment, compared with the People's Liberation Army is currently equipped with the fighter, absolutely one of the most advanced, he said. Third World in the low-end customers, can be said to "fully functional only they can think of, did not they put forward, but can not meet." The face of the trend of the national Air Force Dress active phased array radar, the exhibition said that the Third World countries may shortly do not need to, but once put forward the demand to the existing body can dress, and does not require a big improvement. In addition, Ray Stone -6, the use of domestic positioning system precision-guided weapons can also be equipped with the Xiaolong aircraft. (Liu Xuan)

 

[Kompromat]

Thanks. Very nice “model”. But why have you have put only one picture of the model and 5 pictures of the JF-17! lol.

Thanks

Thanks man. JF-17 looks far better than i do.

 

[fatman17]

Date Posted: 16-Feb-2012


Singapore Airshow 2012: China sees JF-17 exports 'within five years'

James Hardy Asia-Pacific Editor - Singapore



China is aiming for major exports of the Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC)/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) JF-17 Thunder aircraft over the next five years, the president of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) told IHS Jane's at the 2012 Singapore Airshow on 14 February.

Ma Zhiping said that China expected to sell up to 300 of the multirole aircraft to "Middle East and African" countries in the next five years. The platform, which China co-builds with Pakistan, is significantly cheaper than Western or Russian alternatives while providing a similar capability.

Ma compared the single-engined JF-17 to the single-engine Lockheed Martin F-16, saying that "for the same capability we can compete on price". The JF-17, costing around USD30 million, is perhaps more comparable to the Boeing F-15 Strike Eagle, which costs about USD100 million per unit.

China has yet to enter a fighter aircraft in an open competition. If it does achieve overseas sales of the JF-17 beyond Pakistan, it will likely achieve them through a direct military sale.

it was reported in November 2011 that the Pakistan Air Force programme team at PAC in Kamra are finalising the design for the Block 2 version of the JF-17. The main features of the next iteration of the aircraft include a new advanced avionics suite and an air-to-air-refuelling capability, as well as the development of a two-seat variant. There is also a new version of the aircraft's China Electronics Technology Corporation (CETC) KG300G electronic warfare suite that expands the coverage of its frequency band.

CATIC also believes it can make substantial sales of the L-15 single-engined light attack fighter, which it also produces and markets as an advanced jet trainer. Ma said that six countries had tested the L-15 and he expected its first export sale this year, perhaps at November's Xuhai Airshow. "We'll have an international contract this year," Ma said.

The L-15 is in the same class as the Korean Aerospace Industries T-50 - also on the export market as a light fighter as the T/A-50 - and the Alenia Aermacchi M-346.

China's burgeoning unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) industry is also seeking export customers, with CATIC again highlighting the medium-altitude, long-endurance Wing Loong UAV at Singapore. Reportedly cleared for export since 2009, the Predator-class UAV was developed by the Chengdu Aircraft Design and Research Institute and is in service with the People's Liberation Army, according to Ma.

Ma added that the UAV, which has an operational ceiling of 5,000 m, range of 200 km and endurance of two hours, had attracted interest from "traditional customers", predominantly African and Middle Eastern countries looking for next-generation capabilities on a budget.

 

[SamranAli]

will Pak also sale?

 

[fatman17]

Date Posted: 16-Feb-2012

Singapore Air Show 2012: AVIC details Asia Pacific export targets

Jon Grevatt Asia-Pacific Industry Reporter - Singapore.



Key Points
•China is looking to grow military aerospace exports in most of Southeast Asia despite growing concerns over territorial claims in the region

•Singapore, however, is not considered a target market given its close ties to the United States

China's state-owned aircraft manufacturer, Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), regards Southeast Asia as a key defence export market despite concerns the region might hold about the growing Chinese military presence in the South China Sea.

A senior official from AVIC's export arm, the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC), told IHS Jane's at the Singapore Airshow on 14 February that he saw opportunities to sell Chinese-made military equipment to nearly all Southeast Asian nations apart from Singapore, which remains closely aligned with the US.

"We understand that Singapore requires modern technologies and that the United States is its main defence partner," said the CATIC official, who did not want to be identified, "but we also see Singapore as a base here," he added. "We have been exhibiting at the Singapore Airshow [and its predecessor, the Changi International Airshow] for many years and from here we can meet many defence officials from Southeast Asia and market our products to them."

The official said that AVIC sees "many opportunities" for additional military aerospace sales to Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines and Thailand, adding: "China regards these countries as friendly countries and they all have requirements for military and aerospace products that are reliable, good quality and cost effective."

In recent years China has, indeed, secured military exports to most Southeast Asian nations. Indonesia and Thailand purchased technologies from China in 2009 and 2011 to enable localised production of surface-to-surface and anti-ship missile systems, while in 2008 Malaysia ordered shoulder-launched low-altitude surface-to-air missiles. Over the past decade Myanmar has purchased naval guns, missile systems and the K-8 Karakorum jet trainer/light attack aircraft.

However, the Philippines has no record of procuring military equipment from China, although in December 2010 the two countries signed a logistics agreement that facilitated the donation of military trucks and engineering equipment aimed at boosting Manila's anti-insurgency efforts.

The CATIC official said that AVIC regards its Harbin Z-9 utility helicopter and a range of unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) systems as particularly strong prospects for Southeast Asian exports (apart from Singapore) given these countries' requirements to enhance surveillance and security of regional assets. Thailand is understood by IHS Jane's to have evaluated the Z-9EC - the anti-submarine warfare variant of the Z-9 - in late 2011 and the CATIC official revealed that the Philippines has also expressed interest in procuring the platform, which is a licence-manufactured version of the Eurocopter AS 365N Dauphin 2.

"Last year the Philippines asked us to demonstrate our Z-9 - and they are very interested in buying this helicopter from us," he said.

The Philippines' traditionally strong ties with the US - as well as its recently expressed concern about China's growing military presence in the South China Sea - could be regarded as stumbling blocks to any potential bid by Manila to purchase Chinese military equipment. Concern about China's growing influence in the region has also been expressed by neighbouring nations, particularly those with territorial claims in the South China Sea.

The CATIC official played down these strategic concerns about territory within the South China Sea. Instead, he emphasised regional requirements for cost-effective and reliable military equipment and the rapidly growing trade links between the countries, which have been boosted considerably since the signing in 2010 of the China-ASEAN (Association of South East Asian Nations) free-trade agreement.

"We know that there are some political issues about the South China Sea," he said, "but we are not here talking about political strategies. What is most important is that we can offer these countries products that are affordable and [of] good quality. We have already sold military equipment to some of these countries and we know this is what they are looking for."

While AVIC regards opportunities for sales of helicopters and UAVs to Southeast Asia as meeting an "immediate requirement", the official said future export sales to the region could also include fighter aircraft: specifically the JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft.

"We have made great progress in marketing the JF-17 as the most affordable [fourth-] generation fighter aircraft in the world today," he said. "Of course, we have sold the aircraft to Pakistan, but in the future in Southeast Asia there will be more opportunities and we have received expressions of interest from these countries as well as countries in Africa and other parts of Asia."

 

[Najam Khan]

Ma compared the single-engined JF-17 to the single-engine Lockheed Martin F-16, saying that "for the same capability we can compete on price". The JF-17, costing around USD30 million, is perhaps more comparable to the Boeing F-15 Strike Eagle, which costs about USD100 million per unit.

Its not just price that makes aircraft comparable, its the power, speed, weapon load capability, combat radius, maneuverability and flexibility of design that make them fall in one category. Mr. Ma may be right if he has a vision of Block-III Thunder with increased thrust, stronger pay load and enhanced combat radius.

As of now, PAC/CAC need to increase its power and weapon carrying capability ( based on the 'released' info, it can't carry one 2000lb bomb under each wing). If significant changes in design are made such as 2x mk-84/ALCM/H-2 carrying capability, then there will be no reason to call it a one solution to all problems.

 

[farhan_9909]

An export will certainly boost the JFT program.and we might see early upgradation of JFT to attract more countries.the competition will be increased

once it is exported to any nation.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Why would anybody want to compare it to the F-15? They're both very different aircraft.

 

[fatman17]

so the base-line cost is USD15m but a upgraded JFT is gonna cost ~USD30m - still cheap compared to western standards

 

[Tempest II]

An export will certainly boost the JFT program.and we might see early upgradation of JFT to attract more countries.the competition will be increased

once it is exported to any nation.

The "expected to sell up to 300 of the multirole aircraft to "Middle East and African" countries in the next five years." statement says to me they have a number of contracts already at very advanced stages of negotiations ... ... either finalising technical specifications or negotiating financing. That is 60 planes per year ... ... that is impressive!

 

[farhan_9909]

the mentioned upgrade like
IFR
Improved avionics
Enhanced ECM/Data link
And New weapons integration(weapon cost seperate)

those mentioned upgrade wont even cost 5 million.i dont know why is the price up by 15millions more Now
seems like we will get surprise by more upgrade only when we see JFT II in real

 

[araz]

the mentioned upgrade like
IFR
Improved avionics
Enhanced ECM/Data link
And New weapons integration(weapon cost seperate)

those mentioned upgrade wont even cost 5 million.i dont know why is the price up by 15millions more Now
seems like we will get surprise by more upgrade only when we see JFT II in real

Farhan
The upgraded Block2 JF17 will have quite a few design changes in keeping with the new capabilities it will acquire. These may not be visible to the eye but obviously will add to the cost as any new changes have to be researched and their effects tested. This will add to the cost of the plane. I suspect the cost of 30million would include all of that. As things go it will still be a lot of bang for the bucks. I strongly suspect PAF and CATIC are on to a winner.
Araz

 

[abdulbarijan]

Sir Pshamim's thoughts on JF-17 blk-II

But design changes do not mean that the aircraft will look different externally after design has been changed. Design may take place over the skin or under the skin. Introduction of new avionics and weapons force design changes because of aerodynamics changes. Even introduction of new avionics will move the center of gravity necessitating changes in the air frames and more particularly in the wings and elevators. Many of these changes may not be glaring enough for a layman to see. A prospective change in the power plant will require the change. Use of heavier weapons will force changes to reduce weight.

Simply attaching an IFR is definitely not a small matter for a Combat jet and will need a design change. There is an effort to increase the velocity which will change the design. Combat aircrafts are not simple animals, they are complex and every little change in weight, size, and shape will change the airframe externally or internally.

Also, you may say that Block-II is actually a Block-I with few new changes but remember it always starts with the lowest block and further blocks are improvements and enhancements of the original.

I do not claim to be an aircraft designer but my limited knowledge of aircrafts allows me to say that the Block-II is an improved JF-17 different from Blk-I.

 

[airbus101]

Singapore

The Chengdu works of Avic’s combat aircraft subsidiary is developing a two-seat version of the JF-17 Thunder fighter in cooperation with the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, say Chinese industry executives.

The two-seater will be adaptable for conversion training and combat roles, they say, though as a fighter it will not perform as well as the single-seat version. The JF-17 is being built in a joint program with Pakistan for the Pakistan Air Force. The program, which began, unusually, without a conversion trainer, will deliver about 100 JF-17s to Pakistan, the executives say.

Development of the two-seater has not advanced to a point at which Avic International, the export division of Avic, could sign a contract for delivery, the executives say, adding that they were unsure when the aircraft would be available. The single-seat version was designed with development of a two-seater in mind, they say.

Attempts at exporting the JF-17 would be greatly helped by an order, and therefore endorsement, from the Chinese air force, but the service is still evaluating the JF-17. It began doing so three or four years ago, the executives say, adding that the air force was not even telling them exactly what it wanted.

The JF-17, also called FC-1 Xiaolong, is a relatively small fighter with a normal takeoff weight of 9.1 tons (20,100 lb.) and a single Russian engine, the 19,200 lb.-thrust Klimov RD-93, a derivative of the MiG-29’s RD-33. A key selling point of the JF-17 is that it is much cheaper than Western aircraft such as the Saab Gripen, says Avic International.

Chengdu is part of Avic Aviation Techniques (AAT), an Avic subsidiary which encompasses the group’s combat aircraft, trainer, drones and missile plants and which was formerly called Avic Defense.

Another of its key export products, the L-15 trainer and light attack aircraft, would also be helped greatly by an order from the Chinese air force. The group is still looking for a first customer for the type, built by its Hongdu plant at Nanchang.

In its current form, the L-15 is subsonic but a supersonic version has been designed, say Chinese executives. They expect that it will be sold abroad mainly as a light attack aircraft.

Domestically it is competing for a volume production order against the JL-9 (or FTC-200), a very distant descendant of the MiG-21 capable of Mach 2 and built by another part of AAT, Guizhou Aviation.

AAT President Wang Yawei has identified after-sales support as a weakness for his company that must be fixed. The same message is often heard from other Avic subsidiaries.