Japanese companies debut at international defense fair

[Basel]

Wikipedia, seriously?
Here is a better link:
F-16 Versions - F-16 FSX/F-2

Seriously take look at that.

F-2 · Lockheed Martin
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Lockheed & Mitsubishi’s F-2 Fighter Partnership

 

[BDforever]

$127 million per plane.

 

[Aepsilons]

And what is the per unit cost, in US$?

Its armed with the Mitsubishi AAM-4 , and AAM-4B:

 

[Basel]

under estimating F-2 will be silly as it carry AESA radar.

 

[Aepsilons]

General characteristics

• Crew: 1 (or 2 for the F-2B)
• Length: 15.52 m (50 ft 11 in)
• Wingspan: 11.13 m (36 ft 6 in)
• Height: 4.69 m (15 ft 5 in)
• Wing area: 34.84 m² (375 ft²)
• Empty weight: 9,527 kg (21,000 lb)
• Loaded weight: 14,970 kg (33,000 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 22,090 kg (48,700 lb)
• Powerplant: 1 × General Electric F110-GE-129 turbofan
  • Dry thrust: 76 kN (17,000 lbf)
  • Thrust with afterburner: 120–125 kN (29,500 lbf)

Performance

• Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 2,124 km/h
• Range: 834 km on anti-ship mission (520 miles)
• Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,000 ft)
• Wing loading: 430 kg/m² at weight of 15,000 kg (88 lb/ft²)
• Thrust/weight: 0.89

Armament

• 20 mm JM61A1 cannon, plus maximum weapon load of 8,085 kg:
• AAMs: AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-7 Sparrow, Mitsubishi AAM-3, Mitsubishi AAM-4 (from FY2010)
• air-to-ground weapons include: ASM-1 and ASM-2 anti-ship missiles, various free-fall bombs with GCS-1 IIR seeker heads, JDAM
• others: J/AAQ-2 FLIR

Avionics

• Mitsubishi Active Electronically Scanned Array radar system including J/APG-1

 

[Basel]

Japan only needs to mature its defense industry and in some time they will come up with innovative systems.

 

[Indus Falcon]

$127 million per plane.

Now tell me, why wouldn't one buy a Lockheed F16 -Blk61, and go for a Mitsubishi F2?

 

[Luftwaffe]

Maybe Japan could sell us surplus P-3C Orions MPA with NOD from US.

 

[Basel]

there is more potential for JV with Japan on upgrading current systems or building new ones.

how good this tank is when compared to other tanks in the world and can it give us new tech for our tanks?

TK-X Main Battle Tank | Military-Today

 

[Aepsilons]

Now tell me, why wouldn't one buy a Lockheed F16 -Blk61, and go for a Mitsubishi F2?

One critical difference is that the F2 fighter achieves a higher altitude, the airframe is larger than the F16Block60/61, and our current AESA radar system gives our fighter the qualitative advantage. We have also now our own designed AAM-4, AAM-4B on all planes.

The F16 variants are good fighters, and definitely a good option for air forces. They are also much cheaper than our F2. So it will be more favorable for nations with limited defense expenditure.

 

[Indus Falcon]

One critical difference is that the F2 fighter achieves a higher altitude, the airframe is larger than the F16Block60/61, and our current AESA radar system gives our fighter the qualitative advantage. We have also now our own designed AAM-4, AAM-4B on all planes.

The F16 variants are good fighters, and definitely a good option for air forces. They are also much cheaper than our F2. So it will be more favorable for nations with limited defense expenditure.

under estimating F-2 will be silly as it carry AESA radar.

SO does the Blk60/61, a better AESA radar I might add.

1) You need to technically compare the F2 with the Blk61, without going into details, three things immediately give the Blk61 an advantage, The APG80 radar, Internal IRST, and a more powerful engine.

2) Since it's technically 40% still made by the US, do the Japanese have permission to export it?

3) Who in his right mind would buy an F2 when they can get a technologically superior product like the Blk61 +/- the same price?

4) The brownie the points you get from buying form the US............? I'm not even going to go there!

 

[Basel]

SO does the Blk60/61, a better AESA radar I might add.
1) You need to technically compare the F2 with the Blk61, without going into details, three things immediately give the Blk61 an advantage, The APG80 radar, Internal IRST, and a more powerful engine.
2) Since it's technically 40% still made by the US, do the Japanese have permission to export it?
3) Who in his right mind would buy an F2 when they can get a technologically superior product like the Blk61 +/- the same price?
4) The brownie the points you get from buying form the US............? I'm not even going to go there!

How u can claim that their radar is not good??

It is not necessary that Japan offer sale of F-2, what I m suggesting that we can get benefit where they have tech available for developing new advance systems which we can't develop, we can have our advance AESA radar and advance sub working with them, and all those things you mentioned about Blk-60/61 can end up in F-2 too, which will make it more lethal. Its not a big deal for Japan to get those stuff, they can have even better then that from US having JV with them.

 

[Aepsilons]

SO does the Blk60/61, a better AESA radar I might add.

1) You need to technically compare the F2 with the Blk61, without going into details, three things immediately give the Blk61 an advantage, The APG80 radar, Internal IRST, and a more powerful engine.

2) Since it's technically 40% still made by the US, do the Japanese have permission to export it?

3) Who in his right mind would buy an F2 when they can get a technologically superior product like the Blk61 +/- the same price?

4) The brownie the points you get from buying form the US............? I'm not even going to go there!

The Desert Falcon definitely is a air superiority fighter, and it will be of interest for countries that have already pre-esisting F-16s and needing to upgrade it. But as i said, the F-2 has a more capable avionics system, and can achieve higher elevation.

Yes, we can export it. One country that has been looking into the F2 was South Korea, Taiwan.

How u can claim that their radar is not good??

It is not necessary that Japan offer sale of F-2, what I m suggesting that we can get benefit where they have tech available for developing new advance systems which we can't develop, we can have our advance AESA radar and advance sub working with them, and all those things you mentioned about Blk-60/61 can end up in F-2 too, which will make it more lethal. Its not a big deal for Japan to get those stuff, they can have even better then that from US having JV with them.

Definitely, as we open up to international markets, this will drive our defense industry to produce more qualitative products for our partners.

 

[BDforever]

The Desert Falcon definitely is a air superiority fighter, and it will be of interest for countries that have already pre-esisting F-16s and needing to upgrade it. But as i said, the F-2 has a more capable avionics system, and can achieve higher elevation.

Yes, we can export it. One country that has been looking into the F2 was South Korea, Taiwan.



Definitely, as we open up to international markets, this will drive our defense industry to produce more qualitative products for our partners.

i do not believe Japanese weapons are good unless you sell to BD at low price

 

[Aepsilons]

i do not believe Japanese weapons are good unless you sell to BD at low price

lol, i'm sure favorable export prices may be discussed in the future between our two countries.