Japan imposes sanctions against Russia under US pressure — Tokyo Governor

[FairAndUnbiased]

The constitution clearly reflects the epoch in which it was written, a time when Japan had surrendered. This is why I and many Japanese nationalists are in support of the removal of amendments that limit Japan's ability to project power. The gutting of Article 9, as well as the amending of the military exports ban is an example of Japan's normalization.

Times' a changin', buddy.

But you have the impression that it is only Japan that is self limited by policies and other nations are as trying as hard as they can technologically, and that if Japan removes those self limits, it can effortlessly exceed other nations. Both premises are probably incorrect. Instead, evidence points to that Japan is, within the limits of its constitution, trying its hardest to circumvent it, and that other nations are being held back by some of their own policies (not of technology, of policy).

 

[Aepsilons]

i think, to improve relations with china, japanese should stop supporting anti china forces like tibetan and east turkestan terrorist organizations. no matter whether there will be any east turkestan or tibet in anyone's wild dream, but japan's support to these separatist terrorist forces will only end up making japan disappear. japan should care about its own existence first. japan shouldn't play with fire, there will be no second chance

read my post #51

http://www.coolgeography.co.uk/A-level/AQA/Year 13/Plate Tectonics/Earthquakes/MEDC Case study.htm

Japanese Government's official policy neither supports A free Tibet movement or free East Turkestan movement. These are all internal affairs of China. We are bound by our 1978 Treat of Peace and Friendship -- to not interfere in said issues.

And what's up with your recent change in attitude, before you were sympathetic to Japan, now you show a semblance of antagonism. Tsk.

 

[Europa]

Japanese Government's official policy neither supports A free Tibet movement or free East Turkestan movement. These are all internal affairs of China. We are bound by our 1978 Treat of Peace and Friendship -- to not interfere in said issues.

And what's up with your recent change in attitude, before you were sympathetic to Japan, now you show a semblance of antagonism. Tsk.

i am still sympathetic to japan. but the way you are supporting turkestani cause is creating antagonism. you should not have thanked such posts, rather you should have either ignored them or reported them. you see, even mike didn't support them and openly rebuked such promotion of separatist terrorism.

 

[tonyget]

Michael-San, permit me to make a rhetorical question, "Why would Japan favor a Communist Nation (China) over another Liberal Democracy (USA) ?"

Japan is very similar to the United States in many ways. Both emphasize corporate culture, both have issues and plan to tackle the welfare spending, both are super-industrialized , modern nation states with very high gdp per capita, both have governments that understand the Rule of Law, both have a publicly elected government -- who are of the people, chosen from the people , to be the voice of the people. Japan and the United States value freedom of speech, and the democratic principles that are appreciated by Japanese and American civilians to this day -- and for all days in the future. Japanese value the same Ethical Principles as the United States, and I emphasize -- the Rule of Law and Fair Judicial Practices.

You know I don't want to assert who Japan should be ally with, that's up to Japanese people. What I'd like to stress is that sharing similar value has never been the perdominant criteria in alliance formation.

During WWII, the US allied with communist Soviet
During cold war, the US allied with communist China and a bunch of right-wing dictators
Right now, the US is allying with communist Vietnam

As you can see, the US foreign policy has always been pragmatically oriented rather than ideologically.

For any country, it's always nation's interest first, then value/religion/ideology etc. Argentina fought a war with Britain even though they're both in anti-communist league.

 

[Aepsilons]

i am still sympathetic to japan. but the way you are supporting turkestani cause is creating antagonism. you should not have thanked such posts, rather you should have either ignored them or reported them. you see, even mike didn't support them and openly rebuked such promotion of separatist terrorism.

Point taken.

 

[Europa]

someone argued that had japan been in china-russia camp instead that of usa, japan would not have achieved the tech superiority that we see today. this is hypothetical. china is gaining tech superiority but china has not been in any one's camp. yes, japan may have gained much from usa but at the same time, japan has lost many because of usa. actually japan had no option but to be in usa camp because it was occupied by the latter after its defeat in the war.

from a neutral point of view, japan should not be in anyone's camp, japan should be in japanese camp. why does japan have to be subordinate to someone? why can't it be independent? i am not saying japan should switch sides from usa to china overnight.

unlike usa, china treats its allies with equal respect. its unique east asian culture. china's relationship with russia is not based on domination-subordination paradigm. its based on equality and mutual respect. i am sure japan-usa relationship is not like that, no matter how much any japanese deny it. we all know it, we are not stupids. well, its up to japan to remain subordinate to someone if they feel secure, if they feel happy.

at least, in the chinese camp, no nation has to sacrifice its core interests, no nation has to provide women to act in disgusting p0rn0graphy, no nation has to follow orders to frame foreign policies, no nation has to give lands as military bases for troops deployment etc. fact it is.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

from a neutral point of view, japan should not be in anyone's camp, japan should be in japanese camp. why does japan have to be subordinate to someone? why can't it be independent? i am not saying japan should switch sides from usa to china overnight.

unlike usa, china treats its allies with equal respect. its unique east asian culture. china's relationship with russia is not based on domination-subordination paradigm. its based on equality and mutual respect.

It is not East Asian culture, it is uniquely Chinese culture. Chinese value freedom, independent thinking and equality. That is why we celebrate heroes such as Zhu Geliang and Mulan who were cunning, inventive and independent. They broke the mold of society at the time, and people honor them for their individual heroism. It is why we have sayings such as 王子犯法与庶民同罪 （the prince who breaks the law is equally guilty of the crime as the peasant) and even in the Qin dynasty asked questions such as 王侯将相，宁有种乎？（just because you are a baron or a general, does that make you better?). Chinese heroes represent exploration and invention.

Japanese value conformity, order and heirarchy instead. This has already been well documented by countless Western and Japanese observers. Nothing wrong with that, but it is just a different social system.

 

[gambit]

It is not East Asian culture, it is uniquely Chinese culture. Chinese value freedom, independent thinking and equality. That is why we celebrate heroes such as Zhu Geliang and Mulan who were cunning, inventive and independent. They broke the mold of society at the time, and people honor them for their individual heroism. It is why we have sayings such as 王子犯法与庶民同罪 （the prince who breaks the law is equally guilty of the crime as the peasant) and even in the Qin dynasty asked questions such as 王侯将相，宁有种乎？（just because you are a baron or a general, does that make you better?). Chinese heroes represent exploration and invention.

Japanese value conformity, order and heirarchy instead. This has already been well documented by countless Western and Japanese observers. Nothing wrong with that, but it is just a different social system.

Ah...No. It is the opposite. You guys made that clear enough many times on this forum, that every Chinese must -- MUST -- subjugate individualism and free thoughts to that of the state, lest chaos and rebellions reigns in China.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Ah...No. It is the opposite. You guys made that clear enough many times on this forum, that every Chinese must -- MUST -- subjugate individualism and free thoughts to that of the state, lest chaos and rebellions reigns in China.

Nope you can think whatever you want of the government. The fact that there are Chinese here that say this, as well as Chinese here that oppose it, means that we have the *freedom* - something perhaps alien to you - to disagree with each other and the government, as long as it is limited to an individual's words.

Do not mistake agreement for coercion.

 

[gambit]

Nope you can think whatever you want of the government. The fact that there are Chinese here that say this, as well as Chinese here that oppose it, means that we have the *freedom* - something perhaps alien to you - to disagree with each other and the government, as long as it is limited to an individual's words.

Do not mistake agreement for coercion.

This little corner of the Internet is not China and look at your own China.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

This little corner of the Internet is not China and look at your own China.

Kids in China can choose to drop out of school to become pro gamers and no one says anything - just look at the most recent DOTA world championships with a prize pool more than the market caps of many US companies. Look at all the young people competing to become a singing idol on Supergirl/Superboy. They can choose their own careers without being ostracized from straying from the high school -> college -> salaryman in faceless global corporation path.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japanese value conformity, order and heirarchy instead. This has already been well documented by countless Western and Japanese observers. Nothing wrong with that, but it is just a different social system.

Japanese culture can be summarized in the following poem written by The Meiji Emperor,

私は暇がありません
(Watashi wa hima ga arimasen)

しかし、その甘い、つかの間の思想
(Shikashi sono amai tsukanomo no shiso)

カオスのうちから、
(Kaosu no uchi kara)

持って来る公正な順序に
(Motte kuru koseina junjo ni)​

はらん感じで曲をシェーピング
(Wa ran kanji de kyoku o shepingu)

[Translated in English]

I have no leisure
​

Yet its sweet, the fleeting thought
​

From out of chaos
​

Into order fair to bring
​

Shaping songs with feeling fraught
​

In Japanese culture, there is emphasis in the honor of duty, obedience to one's superior. We have stories of 四十七士 -- 47 Ronin -- that reminds us of loyal subjects who avenged the honor of their Noble Lord. There is righteousness in this. This goes back to -- 親孝行 -- Oyakoko -- Filial Piety. This is the root.From which comes forth --義務-- Duty.

 

[C130]

I admire your honesty. U just acknowledge that Japan is US slave.

yeah Japan is slave of the U.S

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Japanese culture can be summarized in the following poem written by The Meiji Emperor,

私は暇がありません
(Watashi wa hima ga arimasen)

しかし、その甘い、つかの間の思想
(Shikashi sono amai tsukanomo no shiso)

カオスのうちから、
(Kaosu no uchi kara)

持って来る公正な順序に
(Motte kuru koseina junjo ni)​

はらん感じで曲をシェーピング
(Wa ran kanji de kyoku o shepingu)

[Translated in English]

I have no leisure
​

Yet its sweet, the fleeting thought
​

From out of chaos
​

Into order fair to bring
​

Shaping songs with feeling fraught
​

In Japanese culture, there is emphasis in the honor of duty, obedience to one's superior. We have stories of 四十七士 -- 47 Ronin -- that reminds us of loyal subjects who avenged the honor of their Noble Lord. There is righteousness in this. This goes back to -- 親孝行 -- Oyakoko -- Filial Piety. This is the root.From which comes forth --義務-- Duty.

You celebrate loyalty. That is good, so do we. However, we do not celebrate obedience. That is why we have a mandate of heaven - it is not the divine right of emperors to rule, but rather the punishment of unjust and incompetent emperors by having their right to rule stripped from them. We do not believe in divine rights or anyone being better than another by birth, something that took the rest of the world 2000 more years to fully understand.

Our cultures share the same roots, but we have chosen to emphasize a different set of qualities than you. Our righteousness does not lie in obedience to a man, but idealism towards higher callings of freedom, independence and equality. That is why so many Chinese have sacrificed everything for national liberation from, and then equality with, Europeans, Japan and the US, as freedom isn't free and equality is earned, not begged for.

 

[Brainsucker]

back to topic :
I think this sanction is only a kind of formalities. Well sanctioning individuals from Crimea and Donetsk won't disturb the the relation between two countries much. Of course, those individuals are doomed. They won't be able to enjoy Japanese Onsen, eat Sushi, and Ramen; or Shopping in Ginza anymore. But as long as the oil from Russia flow to Japan, and Honda, Mitsubishi, and Toyota still can sell their wares to Moscow, who care?

But, I think that those individuals who got persona no grata from Japan should be thankful for this sanction. At least, they don't have to spent their money to buy over prize Japanese food.