Japan has never had smooth ties with China: Aso

[illusion8]

TOKYO —
Japan has never in the past 1,500 years had a smooth relationship with China, Japanese deputy prime minister Taro Aso was quoted Sunday as saying during a visit to India.

“India shares a land border with China, and Japan has had maritime contacts (with China), but for the past 1,500 years and more there has never been a history when our relations with China went extremely smoothly,” Aso said, according to the Nikkei and the Sankei Shimbun newspapers.

The comments at a meeting with Indian business people in New Delhi came amid continuing tensions between Japan and China over disputed Tokyo-controlled islands in the East China Sea.

Aso, a former prime minister, made the comment in response to a suggestion that Japan and India should strengthen defence and maritime cooperation since both have territorial disputes with China, the Sankei said.

India and China are in dispute over an alleged incursion by Chinese troops deep inside Indian-claimed territory.

Aso also called for close defense cooperation between Japan, Australia, India, and the United States to ensure regional stability, according to major media.



Japan has never had smooth ties with China: Aso ? Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

could it have been one of the reasons for the chinese leaving our territory?

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[Abingdonboy]

TOKYO —
Japan has never in the past 1,500 years had a smooth relationship with China, Japanese deputy prime minister Taro Aso was quoted Sunday as saying during a visit to India.

“India shares a land border with China, and Japan has had maritime contacts (with China), but for the past 1,500 years and more there has never been a history when our relations with China went extremely smoothly,” Aso said, according to the Nikkei and the Sankei Shimbun newspapers.

The comments at a meeting with Indian business people in New Delhi came amid continuing tensions between Japan and China over disputed Tokyo-controlled islands in the East China Sea.

Aso, a former prime minister, made the comment in response to a suggestion that Japan and India should strengthen defence and maritime cooperation since both have territorial disputes with China, the Sankei said.

India and China are in dispute over an alleged incursion by Chinese troops deep inside Indian-claimed territory.

Aso also called for close defense cooperation between Japan, Australia, India, and the United States to ensure regional stability, according to major media.



Japan has never had smooth ties with China: Aso ? Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

could it have been one of the reasons for the chinese leaving our territory?

@samantk, @Abingdonboy, @nick_indian, @Koovie, @ ares, @janon, @Screambowl, @OrionHunter, @Srinivas, @ILLUMINATO, @fateh71

I don't see this being the reason for the back down of the Chinese tbh.


Some surprisingly aggressive remarks from some real heavyweights of the Japanese establishment.

 

[BDforever]

what will be the reaction of your best friend Russia ?

 

[Koovie]

If this had been all planned by the Chinese government itself, I cannot see any sense in this move.

All this might result in some changes in India:

1. A hardly build process of growing economic and political dialogue and cooperation is going to be threatened, incl. trade relations ( which is currently at 75 billion USD.)
2. It might push India to the west and Japan. I am not talking about alliances, but such incidents will have their effect on our foreign policy and the US wont be too unhappy about the results of all this.
3. It might also push India to review its defence procurement policies and force India to acquire equipment faster without the usual bureaucratic nonsense.

what will be the reaction of your best friend Russia ?

As usual, they will not say much about it since they dont want to lose China (Mainly for geopolitical and economic reasons) and India (mainly for economic reasons)

 

[Jade]

Sometimes I wonder whether CPC has full control over PLA. In the whole episode of Chinese incursion into Ladakh something is missing in the whole puzzle. The incursion simply doesn't make sense.

 

[illusion8]

@Jade, @Koovie, @Abingdonboy...

Such statements are not random and are not uttered without intentions backing them specifically when it's uttered by Japanese, I think it's another milestone.

 

[notsuperstitious]

India and China has been living side by side for millennia without any conflict except the one small exception. THAT is more important for us.

 

[Jade]

@Jade, @Koovie, @Abingdonboy...

Such statements are not random and are not uttered without intentions backing them specifically when it's uttered by Japanese, I think it's another milestone.

Japanese are facing a much larger threat from Chinese than Indians do, and ,yes, these statements are not random. Japanese were always the proponents of a defense cooperation between Japan, Australia, India, and the United States to counter China. It was India that always backtracked. From Indian perspective it made sense. Even now, I think, there is no need for India to make enemies with China. India need a balanced approach towards both China and Japan. We need at least another decade to counter weight China on our own. We need to buy that time.

 

[illusion8]

India and China has been living side by side for millennia without any conflict except the one small exception. THAT is more important for us.

What about arming our enemies, the string of pearls, the constant transgressions ( though the border has remained peaceful)?

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Jade, @Koovie, @Abingdonboy...

Such statements are not random and are not uttered without intentions backing them specifically when it's uttered by Japanese, I think it's another milestone.

I understand this and that is why they are so surprising- in effect the represent the views of the Japanese govt.



But India shouldn't immediately jump into bed with the Japanese fears go all in. The Japanese have their own issues with the Chinese and it makes no sense for India to get embroiled in those issues. The Japanese have their own interests to meet of course and one should be wary of such comments where Japan looks to embrace India.

 

[illusion8]

Japanese are facing a much larger threat from Chinese than Indians do, and ,yes, these statements are not random. Japanese were always the proponents of a defense cooperation between Japan, Australia, India, and the United States to counter China. It was India that always backtracked. From Indian perspective it made sense. Even now, I think, there is no need for India to make enemies with China. India need a balanced approach towards both China and Japan. We need at least another decade to counter weight China on our own. We need to buy that time.

I don't know how many wakeup calls would Indians need? - you are pretty sure now because the chinese retreated - would you have said the same if they still had not is the question.

I understand this and that is why they are so surprising- in effect the represent the views of the Japanese govt.



But India shouldn't immediately jump into bed with the Japanese fears go all in. The Japanese have their own issues with the Chinese and it makes no sense for India to get embroiled in those issues. The Japanese have their own interests to meet of course and one should be wary of such comments where Japan looks to embrace India.

It's not about jumping in right away but cultivating a long time strategy over it, the chinese are furiously updating their war fighting capabilities and I am sure things will not always be neutral amongst us in the future.

 

[Jade]

I don't know how many wakeup calls would Indians need? - you are pretty sure now because the chinese retreated - would you have had the same if they still had not is the question.

No, I am not saying we have to be lax. Yesterday, I pointed out some lessons for Indians from the whole episode. I am quoting it again

The lessons for Indians are

1. Fasten up Military Modernization (Complete MMRCA deal and other stuff)
2. Raise border strike corps.
3. Build the infrastructure along the border as soon as possible
4. Concentrate on the economy. Try to reach 8% growth as soon possible. Economy is healthy then everything is fine.
5. Don't be lax
At the same time
1. Build good relations with China and try to solve the border dispute as soon as possible(Status quo is a good solution)
2. At the same time build US - Japan - India trio to counter China in Asia. India need at least another decade to counter weight China.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/250367-chinese-withdrawal-6.html#ixzz2SWxT1ztT

 

[ILLUMINATO]

Thanks Japan, for timing your expression of views at such a delicate time, we will force our Government to return the favour .

@illusion8 Possibility of India exhibiting her Diplomatic skills can't be ruled out , speculation are quite rife as far as I am concerned, since there was also one trilateral meet then in the midst of our face off with Dragon hiding dagger behind her back.

It could be speculated that timely Trilateral meet saved the day for us.

 

[Srinivas]

Best thing for us is build our capabilities vis - a - vis China and also concentrate on our economy. Co operation with Japanese until we become strong is a good one.

 

[illusion8]

Thanks Japan, for timing your expression of views at such a delicate time, we will force our Government to return the favour .

@illusion8 Possibility of India exhibiting her Diplomatic skills can't be ruled out , speculation are quite rife as far as I am concerned, since there was also one trilateral meet them in the midst of our face off with Dragon hiding hidden behind her back.

It could be speculated that timely Trilateral meet saved the day for us.

The chinese pulled out inadvertently -surprising even the chinese here, India hasn't struck a "deal" nor has given in to their demands - now what made them change their minds suddenly?