Japan and Indonesia defense chiefs opposed to assertive moves by China

[Viva_Viet]

We control the entire choke point

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U can't control it wt few old boats, bro. U don't even have Kilos wt land attack missile like VN.

US navy temporarily control the Malacca strait.

 

[Han Patriot]

CN juat try to look "tough" to hide their collapsing economy due to Middle income trap.

.Huawei turn into pig farms due to chips ban
.Xiaomi plan to flee to VN to avoid the same fate wt Huawei
.CN tire/ auto parts suppliers, Luxshare, Foxconn already fled to VN making millions Cnese jobless.

. CN PM Li admit there are 600 million Cnese earning less than 140 usd per month.

. Thousand to millions Cnese textile workers earning abt 62 usd per week.

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Workers at a factory in China used by the company that makes clothing for Ivanka Trump’s fashion line and other brands worked nearly 60 hours a week to earn wages of little more than $62 a week, according to a factory audit released Monday.

China's textile, garment exports expand in November

Doesn't change the fact that most of your work is doing sweatshop labor for foreign brands. They got very low salary, dont know why CN GDP per capital is 10,000 $ now. Its a super fake data :lol: --------- Workers at a factory in China used by the company that makes clothing for Ivanka Trump’s...

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CN is going to be the next Myanmar due to economic failure.

viva,

We won the trade war and covid.......I am still waiting for China to collapse. Judging from the recent Alaska summit, US is actually stating they DON'T WANT TO confront us. hahhahahaha

Don't make me start on the 20 cent per hour Vietnamnese slaves. hahahahah

 

[SpaceMan18]

Why don't u start learning how to raise pigs like Huawei staff instead of wasting your time lying here ,bro.

Not offended , but your company also wont survive if suffering hard ban from.US,too

Eh the world may be mad at China but it's more talk rather than actions , again the U.S doesn't care and only cares about the money along with other European nations.

Sending carriers ain't much lol

 

[Viva_Viet]

Eh the world may be mad at China but it's more talk rather than actions , again the U.S doesn't care and only cares about the money along with other European nations.

Sending carriers ain't much lol

Yeah...but actually Soviet collapsed not bcs she was defeated by US carriers, but bcs of cold war.

US just do the same trade war/cold war against CN.

 

[Han Patriot]

Why don't u start learning how to raise pigs like Huawei staff instead of wasting your time lying here ,bro.

Not offended , but your company also wont survive if suffering hard ban from.US,too

Simple minded people like you would think AI and big data is just used in cars and phones. I told you we will win the trade war, you didn't believe me, now I am telling you Huawei is adapting and morphing into a totally different tech company, they will control not just telecom equipment but the whole supply chain. We are already near completion of 28nm fully indigenous line and will achieve 14nm by next year. 22nm EUV prototype already completed. It's just a matter of time mate. and Vietnam, you will just be another chess pawn.

You can't even make a screw driver by yourselves. hahahahaha

Yeah...but actually Soviet collapsed not bcs she was defeated by US carriers, but bcs of cold war.

US just do the same trade war/cold war against CN.

Soviet was defeated because they didn't know how to manage the economy and thought democracy will save them. Vietnam is heading the Malaysian path, country with no substantial technology surviving only on assembly work.

 

[Whizzack]

Now, this article below from Nikkei is more spot on regarding the purpose of the visit..!
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Japan to iron out deal on arms exports to Indonesia
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Japan hopes to sign an agreement with Indonesia on Tuesday to clear the way for exports of defense equipment amid stepped-up Chinese activities at sea.

Foreign and defense ministers from the two countries are slated to meet in "two-plus-two" talks here that day to seal the deal.

Japan exports military hardware only to countries with which it has signed agreements on transfers of defense equipment and technology. The documents spell out such rules as a requirement that the recipient obtain Tokyo's permission before reselling the equipment to another party.

Agreements have been signed with nine countries so far, consisting of the U.S. and others mostly in Europe. In Southeast Asia, the Philippines and Malaysia have inked deals, while the leaders of Japan and Vietnam reached an agreement in principle at their October 2020 meeting.

A deal with regional power Indonesia could come to symbolize a joint effort between Japan and neighbors to counter the Chinese threat. Tokyo is expected to consider selling such hardware as ships.

Interest has been strong in Japanese technologies related to detecting objects and saving lives, such as radar and rescue aircraft. Since many small and midsize businesses are involved in manufacturing defense equipment, one of Japan's aims is to prop up its defense industry by boosting exports.

In the past, Japan prohibited exports of all defense equipment. It partly lifted the ban in 2014 by setting three principles: barring exports to countries involved in conflicts, allowing exports that contribute to peace and to Japan's security, and requiring Tokyo's consent for resale to another country. The agreement on the transfer of defense equipment and technology forms the legal basis for ensuring that the recipient follows the three principles.

Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi met with Indonesian counterpart Prabowo Subianto here on Sunday. Kishi told Prabowo that a new Chinese law that explicitly grants broad powers to the coast guard and confirms its quasi-military status is problematic with regard to international law. The two sides agreed to maintain and strengthen a free and open maritime order, as well as to hold joint drills in the South China Sea.

The Indonesian defense minister said the country is in negotiations on the possibility of acquiring Japanese equipment to modernize national defense.

Japan to iron out deal on arms exports to Indonesia

Inking pact at 'two plus two' meeting with regional power will symbolize a united front against China

asia.nikkei.com

 

[Han Patriot]

Keep bragging about screw driver when Foxconn even wanna buy EV parts from Vinfast and just wannabuy Pigs from Huawei hahaaha

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— Taiwanese electronics manufacturer Foxconn is reportedly in talks with the Vietnamese automaker VinFast to produce batteries and electric vehicle (EV) parts.

Foxconn in talks with VinFast on batteries and components for electric vehicles

Taiwanese electronics manufacturer Foxconn is reportedly in talks with the Vietnamese automaker VinFast to produce batteries and electric vehicle (EV) parts.

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Okay, Soviet collapsed bcs they failed to raise "high tech" pigs while CN will survive wt big pig farms bcs Huawei boss was pig farmer during Mao era

I think you are dumber than I thought, it is Foxconn trying to use vinfast as another low cost unit. Foxconn doesn't even own any tech on batteries and neither does vinfast, they are just assemblers. Vinfast does produce some low end components like plastic parts etc, those can be useful.

VinFast reports loss of US$286 million in the first half of 2020 - Vietnam Insider

Vietnamese carmaker VinFast reported an after-tax loss of VND6,591 billion (US$286 million) in the first…

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Hell its a loss making company for years, vingroup used hard earned money from properties to subsidize selling shitty cars below cost. So basically it's your Vietnamnese buying overpriced houses to sell underpriced shitty cars while all top positions are Westerners earning big bucks. And now you are even selling your factories cheap to Foxconn cause its loss making. No wonder Foxconn is happy

As for pigs, you won't be laughing in 5 years time mate. Keep on begging for 20 cent jobs and be proud of it while we innovate and move into robotics and automation. Lol. Even your Papa US seems to be stressed out competing with us. Vietnam only has one future, that is become low cost 'tourist' center for China or US. Just like. Thailand with their beaches and ladies. Lol

 

[Beast]

No such statements singling China was ever issued from our side, either from the MoD or MoFA... and I strongly doubt there will ever be one... Pointing finger to a specific party or country regarding such matters was never in our country's diplomatic tradition or style... not to states like Myanmar, Syria, Iran, Israel, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc and it certainly won't be to China either... At most a formal statement will usually call for something like "... all sides to maintain peace and calm and to refrain from using violence in resolving territorial disputes...". So far the above article is just a one-sided Japanese news claim...

Anyway, the main purpose of this visit is to sign a defense and commercial agreement to enable both sides to clear a way for exports of Japanese defense articles and the financing scheme for Indonesia... We have been eyeing their new FFM30 frigate as a candidate for our next generation frigates for some time now, and perhaps even their Subs and Flying boats...

See how some pathetic liar create fake stories out of thin air to suit neo con.

@aziqbal and some jumping up and down over some fake news for self delusion.

Japan and indonesia are not stupid to issue such statement. They are happy to stand one side and watch the good show between China battling EU/US.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I think you are dumber than I thought, it is Foxconn trying to use vinfast as another low cost unit. Foxconn doesn't even own any tech on batteries and neither does vinfast, they are just assemblers. Vinfast does produce some low end components like plastic parts etc, those can be useful.

VinFast reports loss of US$286 million in the first half of 2020 - Vietnam Insider

Vietnamese carmaker VinFast reported an after-tax loss of VND6,591 billion (US$286 million) in the first…

vietnaminsider.vn

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Hell its a loss making company for years, vingroup used hard earned money from properties to subsidize selling shitty cars below cost. So basically it's your Vietnamnese buying overpriced houses to sell underpriced shitty cars while all top positions are Westerners earning big bucks. And now you are even selling your factories cheap to Foxconn cause its loss making. No wonder Foxconn is happy

As for pigs, you won't be laughing in 5 years time mate. Keep on begging for 20 cent jobs and be proud of it while we innovate and move into robotics and automation. Lol. Even your Papa US seems to be stressed out competing with us. Vietnam only has one future, that is become low cost 'tourist' center for China or US. Just like. Thailand with their beaches and ladies. Lol

Low cost unit?? Dude, they ( Luxshare, CN part suppliers) have to pay abt 430 usd per month for VN workers while they only ned to pay merely 140 usd per month for 600 millions poor Cnese as PM Li admit

Stop lying abt low cost. CN'd better opening more "tourist centers" more pig farms for those pathetic 600 millions

 

[Han Patriot]

Low cost unit?? Dude, they ( Luxshare, CN part suppliers) have to pay abt 430 usd per month for VN workers while they only ned to pay merely 140 usd per month for 600 millions poor Cnese as PM Li admit

Stop lying abt low cost. CN'd better opening more "tourist centers" more pig farms for those pathetic 600 millions

That's according to Vietnamnese, we know only special female assistants get 400 bucks.. Lol.

160dollars after minus expenditure for the poorest rural farmers above 50 years old mate and young kids. Check the demographics profile of China. Common sense mate, if we are cheaper than Vietnam, then we wouldn't be relocating cheap 20 cents job to Vietnam. Lol

160 dollars, that's 800 rmb for a rural farmer with fully paid house, cheap electric and water, and self produced food. That's actually not bad. And they even gave social security insurance. Have you actually been to China before? China has 800 million services and industrial work force, and 600 million are farmers plus young kids. And 90% of farmers is above 50. Average Vietnamese worker is paid below 200 dollars mate.

Anyway, vinfast is a near bankrupt company with no tech and they are run by essentially foreigners feeding off poor Vietnamnese who pay gazillions for their houses to subsidize that dumb company. Lol

 

[Han Patriot]

I don't care what you said abt those pathetic 600 millions when u r just another dumb peasant, not PM Li.

U should learn how to raise pig like Huawei staff as thats the most wanted job inCN now I guess

It's common sense and mathematics mate. 600mil plus 800 mil is 1.4billion. Huawei is not just using big data and AI on pigs mate, it's the whole agriculture industry, autonomous driving and so on. Just like 3 years ago, I explained to you why China will not lose the trade war or why we can control the virus. You didn't listen because you are dumb and ignorant, you have never been to China, you have not seen how we build up this great country, nor you study the technologies developed by us, the strategic mega projects created to ensure the next Chinese century. Simple things like UHV, smart grid, pumped storage, sea ice methane, thorium MSR, AI, big data, robotics, maglev, nano technologies, graphene, biologics, HSR, hyper accurate GPS, social algorithms, 12mw wind turbines, optimization algorithms for energy, blade batteries, CAM/Cad completely indigenous, next gen super steel, next gen ceramic blades, read about these Chinese advancement and research. Them compare to. VIETNAM....its 0

 

[Han Patriot]

Nice try, but still more and more rich Cnese ( like Xiaomi ) fleeing to VN. It proves that CN "mega projects " r not good enough to save CN from chaos under EU-US sanctions.

That's why poor and dumb peasants like u keep convincing people that CN is still good, still "strong" while rich Cnese ( Xiaomi, Luxshare, auto parts suppliers etc) just simply flee to VN to avoid being killed in trade war.

Poor and dumb peasants like u have Nothing to lose anyway. If u r really smart, smarter than Xiaomi, Luxshare bosses, then u would be a billionaire instead of merely dumb peasant .

No one believe u

It's called business man, Xiaomis largest market is China and they still manufacture in China, they also manufacture in Turkey Vietnam and India, its called diversification. Fleeing? Gosh, do you know what was the FDI in China last year? So what did the EU US sanctions do, you sanction two guys and the whole country collapses? Numb numb, learn to differentiate trade war tariffs and political sanctions. We sanctioned 40 EU officials, you think they will collapse? Stop having this slave mentality that you need the white man to survive, be like us, a confident country and civilization. Stop paying whites your hard earned money to prop up a bankrupt vinfast producing shitty cars just to boost your fragile egos. The future is batteries and autonomous driving, not making plastic parts. Btw Luxshare is still Chinese and they still have factories in China, they set up cheaper factories in Vietnam to export to US, essentially exploiting 20cent worjers.

I am dumb? You can't even see the future trends and under stand the importance of these technologies, your country is not even prepared to face the future. Vinfast gonna help you? Fcker just bought German stuff to assemble, next time learn to make bolts and nuts first

 

[Viva_Viet]

It's called business man, Xiaomis largest market is China and they still manufacture in China, they also manufacture in Turkey Vietnam and India, its called diversification. Fleeing? Gosh, do you know what was the FDI in China last year? So what did the EU US sanctions do, you sanction two guys and the whole country collapses? Numb numb, learn to differentiate trade war tariffs and political sanctions. We sanctioned 40 EU officials, you think they will collapse? Stop having this slave mentality that you need the white man to survive, be like us, a confident country and civilization. Stop paying whites your hard earned money to prop up a bankrupt vinfast producing shitty cars just to boost your fragile egos. The future is batteries and autonomous driving, not making plastic parts. Btw Luxshare is still Chinese and they still have factories in China, they set up cheaper factories in Vietnam to export to US, essentially exploiting 20cent worjers.

I am dumb? You can't even see the future trends and under stand the importance of these technologies, your country is not even prepared to face the future. Vinfast gonna help you? Fcker just bought German stuff to assemble, next time learn to make bolts and nuts first

diversification ??Can Xiaomi still make phones in CN if they got chips ban like Huawei ?? No, of course they cant, they only can raise pig like Huawei instead. Thats why Xiaomi flee to VN and Turkey where they can avoid chips ban.

If u dont agree, then show me that CN also can make extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography machines like ASML to produce 5nm chips

 

[Han Patriot]

diversification ??Can Xiaomi still make phones in CN if they got chips ban like Huawei ?? No, of course they cant, they only can raise pig like Huawei instead. Thats why Xiaomi flee to VN and Turkey where they can avoid chips ban.

If u dont agree, then show me that CN also can make extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography machines like ASML to produce 5nm chips

Yes they still can man, just not cutting edge. Huawei is still making chips until today, most components are getting indigenized. Its been 3 years man, Huawei is still alive and selling phones.

Xiaomi goes to Turkey due to cost and logistics, they can supply Europe from there, India is another market and Vietnam is used to supply SEA. Xiaomi doesn't sell to US at all. Its just business man, abandoning China meant having no factory design research logistics and HQ at all in China. Can your simple brain understand this concept?

Numb numbs like you would think its just pigs, it's fish and poultry and big data and AI. But you wouldn't understand that, coz you guys can't even make simple bolts and nuts.

A simple Google wouild show you our 22nm Euv prototype. We are still developing 5nm Euv, when that happens, we will be completely independent. Not even your daddy USA can make a 5nm Euv machine okay. Lol. Viets will always be slaves, cause you guys don't plan and develop technology. You will end up selling labour be it female or male like buffaloes. You want your son to be buffalo? Lolol

 

[IblinI]

Yes they still can man, just not cutting edge. Huawei is still making chips until today, most components are getting indigenized. Its been 3 years man, Huawei is still alive and selling phones.

Xiaomi goes to Turkey due to cost and logistics, they can supply Europe from there, India is another market and Vietnam is used to supply SEA. Xiaomi doesn't sell to US at all. Its just business man, abandoning China meant having no factory design research logistics and HQ at all in China. Can your simple brain understand this concept?

Numb numbs like you would think its just pigs, it's fish and poultry and big data and AI. But you wouldn't understand that, coz you guys can't even make simple bolts and nuts.

A simple Google wouild show you our 22nm Euv prototype. We are still developing 5nm Euv, when that happens, we will be completely independent. Not even your daddy USA can make a 5nm Euv machine okay. Lol. Viets will always be slaves, cause you guys don't plan and develop technology. You will end up selling labour be it female or male like buffaloes. You want your son to be buffalo? Lolol

thats why I expect that wt full help from Russia, we will quickly unify sub Mekong region to get stronger

why are you wasting time on this dude, I mean just looked at him.