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Jandarma: Turkey's 'war machine' goes global

I will disagree and call your thinking rubbish:partay:! how much similarity is there today with the old indian army under British Raj? none whatsoever other than maybe traditions. Even the best had to start somewhere! Using a template to make way yourself is far better than adopting a complete system. Even if you adopt a complete system its human nature to make adjustments according to your environment.
Almost every every elite regiment in Pakistan Army dates from 1880s or earlier from the British era. Take Frontier Force, Baloch Regiment or Punjab regiments. Ditto for armoured regiments which trace their lineage to the old cavalry regiments or "Lancers". The ranks, the traditions, even the uniforms display British heritage. There is precious little native about them.

Do you see British influence here?


 
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Almost every every elite regiment in Pakistan Army dates from 1880s or earlier from the British era. Take Frontier Force, Baloch Regiment or Punjab regiments. Ditto for armoured regiments which trace their lineage to the old cavalry regiments or "Lancers". The ranks, the traditions, even the uniforms display British heritage. There is precious little native about them.

A lot has changed in 70+ years. name still exists of the regiments from those times, Traditions are just about clinging on. that's all that is now left.
 
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Well then i will find a wall to talk to because theres nothing i could tell you which you dont know already.
Reading history from books is poor substitute and will never match those who have deep understanding of the culture and the national pysche. So trust me you input is still superior to my superficial understanding.

I always thought it was mandatory and i agree with you, for a young state it could have come very handy but maybe the reason why it was founded was and obstacle to nationalism.
It all goes to the historical evolution of this region. The four provinces that make Pakistan for instance pre-date 1947. In short they were there before Pak. It was these four that elected to make a federation. Therefore that structure persists today.

The army has never been conscript. The British recruited from certain regions and soon enough these regiments built a culture of recruitment from within a small geographic space. For instance you might have "Izmir regiment" that recruited from that region. By 1947 this regimental system fashioned on the british military continued and is still in place.
 
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"Izmir regiment"

No Kaptaan, we have not in Turkey. Except the paramilitary " Village Guards".

During the Ottoman Empire before 1826 modernization we had indeed regional and very effective forces, the AKINCI cavallry units - we can translate as "Commando Troops" were established from local ressources, example in the Sancak Bosna there was an Akinci unit commanded by Akinci Bey Malkocoglu from the Malkoc family. They were very effective cause they were fit for the climate and did know the terrain. The spareheads of AKINCIs opereated in Switzerland and South of Germany ( some little towns were named Unter-Türkheim, Türkenburg e.g.), long before the siege of Vienna.

In 1915 during the siege of the Dardanelles Turkey lost most of his intellectual youth, from the first semesters of the Universities and the last class (12) of the Medreses students from Istanbul were called for military service, after a short 8 week training they were sent to one of the bloodiest fronts " as cadet reserve lieutenants" of the history.

Do you remember last year today G.Michael died ?
 
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Do you remember last year today G.Michael died ?
Yes, of course. Which is your favourite song?

In 1915 during the siege of the Dardanelles Turkey lost most of his intellectual youth, from the first semesters of the Universities and the last class (12) of the Medreses students from Istanbul were called for military service, after a short 8 week training they were sent to one of the bloodiest fronts " as cadet reserve lieutenants" of the history.
This was pretty much same as across large parts of Europe and even parts of the British Empire. WW1 shaped the world we live in.From social, economic and political standpoint it was a epoch making event. Below: Haidar Pasha Cemetery, Turkey. You know where this sepoy was from? And let past be the past. What did Ataturk say?


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you know what I mean
I know, same was Farrokh Bulsara. But not so obvious as George Alan O'Dowd.
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Despite to many subversive types , who ignore years change, I wish you a perfect new year.

Let's past be past; but brother if we don't learn from the past how will we be a role model for our childs and the teens ?

Now the promised photos and documents :

Muslim brothers from former British India who stopped medical education in Oxford and served Ottoman Red Crescent during the War

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Wire transfer to Ottoman Red Crescent

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Telegram to Ottoman Government avis a group of field medicines lead by Mukhtar Ahmad Ansar is coming to Ottoman State

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Amount of transfered financial aid from former British India

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Letter of later solidarity Yemenite King Imam Yahya, who was not Sunni

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Ottoman Shia Muslims in solidarity with the Ottoman Ruler

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Sudanese martyrs against the Brits fighting for Ottoman Empire in Darfur

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http://belgelerlegercektarih.com/tag/osmanli/


The link contains the archive sources.
 
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Now some pictures from support of Jandarma in Tunisia, Nigeria, Gambia and Kamerun against narcotics :

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Never understood why Pakistan did not implement mandotary military service : This would both reinforce national identity and loyalty to homeland as well as mix different ethnic groups.
No matter what people say,the aim was to implement the Turkish system in Pakistan but unfortunately M.Ali Jinnah past away before he could do it.
If Pakistan had the chance to start like we did,Pakistan would have been a copy of Turkiye(national identity)
 
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@Kaptaan
Sorry for the late post.

There are few things I would like to add.
- Historically, the administrative structure in Ottoman Empire was highly centralized. And yes, this naturally affected the behaviors and establishment of the organizations founded during the imperial period. However, as most Turks would know, this type of administrative formation did not start with the Ottoman-era. For that, we must go back even earlier than the Seljuk Empire which was the umbrella state form for the laterly dissolved Turkic dynasties of among whom rised the Osmanoğulları dynasty which later became to be known as the Ottomans. Taking the state application on education as reference, our history is split into three eras.
1- Turkish History before the adoption of Islam (Khaganetes and nomadic tribes in Central Asia)
2- Turkish History after the adoption of Islam (Mamluks, Seljuk, Ottoman and others)
3- Republican-era Turkish History (starts with Ataturk’s march on Samsun to commence the War of Independence until today and forward)

Each of this division is taught periodically in elementary, middle, and high schools..and lastly in university. The only difference is that in elementary school, each Turk is taught a superficial version of this and it gets as detailed the child grows. For example, in high-school important stuff such as the military structure of the empire, important diplomatic agreements or the Ottoman taxation and agricultural ownership system is being taught, of course not in a fully detailed format.

But you may wonder why am I writing all this crap about the taught of history in mandatory education levels in Turkey. Well, every Turkish child starts having the history classes as by first knowing this triple classification. Then, the very second thing that the children are being taught at each of these level is the ability of Turks to get organized skillfully.
In other words as most Turks grew in Turkey would remember and laugh, “The Turks are a society that exelled on the skills and ability of getting organized.” This is taught at every history lesson. And this ability to organize not only implies the origins of highly centralized structure in Jandarma, but also on the entire Turkic history. The point is, this type of administrative formation is not just Ottoman but instead it started with our existence in the first place, way before than Ottoman Empire.

I am sorry to go off topic by digging some history here. But I believe it was essential to describe the importance of centralized structuring not only to Jandarma and Turkey but for each and every one of 16 states the Turks have founded in the history and the organizations within them.

So from a positive point of view, for National Police and Gendarmerie, we may agree that centralized structure is a positive aspect that strengthens these two bodies. But this centrality mentality is on the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) as well. Historically our society is a militaristic society, thus the TSK is even more centralized.
And at times, as a person that served both with the Naval Forces and the Gendarmerie, I must say that for Gendarmerie it is okay. But on the other hand, the Armed Forces failed on this one. It took very clever administrative steps in the past. Examples are: creating an army-level formation dubbed as “the Aegean Army Command”, completely distinguished from NATO structures in order to counter the Greeks and Cypriots; creating their own attack and reconnaissance units for the Amphibious Naval Infantry Brigade so that excessive use of Naval SOF is prevented; forming spec ops (HÖH) specifically for the borderlines within the Land Forces.

You see, on a local basis, TSK is adapting to 21st century. However, as long as the upper chains of command remains as the same format, it will spin the wheel on itself. Today, TSK has forces at various parts in Europe, Middle East, Africa and Afghanistan. And on the contrary of TSK’s past, most of the overseas deployments today are combatant and advisory military presence instead of peace-keeping or UN-type duties. This alone requires a complete reevaluation of command chain for forces abroad. Perhaps, the only fit and suitable one is the forces at Cyprus. But then it is a different case where there are at least forty thousand troops deployed on the island. What we lack is that the Armed Forces and certain other ministries must change this historical mindset to an extent to combat the challenges efficiently. Yes, I said ministries as well. You can click on the website of any Turkish ministry. Go on to the structure page. At each of them you will see the same classification that is split into three:
1- Central Organization
2- Provincial Organization
3- Abroad Organization

This tells a lot that the State is still highly centralized. Thank god it is. But we must also see that the threats we are facing today require a hybrid approach where may need to adjust our structures and focus it uniquely on the nature of threat.

I am sorry for the very long, history smelling post. But I think it was important to touch upon the education of history, dynamics of the military and ministerial structures to show a smaller and different perspective on having a highly centralized organization.

Lastly, here is the recently made Happy New Year’s video made by the Gendarmerie General Command

 
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@Neptune I will reply to you later when I have time but for now "Happy New Year". And thanks for that great post. It is nice to read a well articulated, instructive post then stupid one liners. I have extreme penchant for reading so I don't mind. I have one room in my house that is piled high with books which I hoard.

@ATALAY Happy New year to you as well my friend. I was looking out of my window - there is a grand firework display going off. We just turned 2018 here in UK.
 
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