Akasa
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Some Indian members here are very funny! They make some interesting points:
Indian criticism #1. China copied and stole technology to create its own jet engines.
Yeah, that's true, so? You think the military is a game or something? China broke the "rules"? The military is about survival, life and death. This is no game and there are no rules! Over 1.3 billion people depend on this engine to function properly to defend them from predatory western foreign strategies. If I were a Chinese engineer working on this engine, I would sell my soul to the devil to give it just 1 extra kN! Stealing, cheating, copying, these terms don't apply! It's survival. You know why Chivalrys dead? Because practicing it will get you killed against someone who was serious about staying alive! Make your military equipment work by any means necessary or the west will make sure you end up like Iraq/ Afghanistan!
Indian criticism #2. China took a long time to get the WS-10A up and running.
Where is your Kaveri? At this rate, you might as well fling your Tejas into the air with giant rubber bands! Hearing your criticism, it's as if you've mastered a 180kN engine or something!
Indian criticism #3. The WS-10A probably only gives 70kN.
Do you think with your rear end? How would J-11B and J-10B fly on an engine with that much thrust? Both jets are flying with WS-10A. That is fact. How would a 30+ ton aircraft like the J-11B fly with combined 140kN? It would perform like an airliner. It is possible that an early prototype WS-10 had roughly 70kN dry thrust. I dont know who said 200kN and 350kN. Either you made it up, read it wrong or that guy has no clue about how much thrust jet engines put out.
Indian criticism #4. I need proof, something solid, not just pictures.
What the heck does that mean? Photographic evidence can convict people in court but its not good enough for you? What would you consider proof, a signed letter from the Chinese president detailing the number of engines on the number of aircraft and the exact thrust? Even then, you wouldnt trust that, would you? Youd say the Chinese were just bluffing. So you would need that letter, except written by a NATO inspector, who, for some reason, China allowed to perform the inspection. You can wait for that letter, but as for the rest of us, the pictures clearly show 2 different engines. If thats not good enough for you, then you can live in denial. Doesnt hurt the Chinese military.
Why do Indians criticize the Chinese air force? It is laughable. They like to tout the MKI or Rafale (which they dont have yet) and detail exactly how much thrust they have or how many modules are in thier radar. You know what China does? It doesnt tell you that info because it doesnt like its opponents preparing against it! Anyway, here is the BIG picture: As India works on the Tejas with American engines, China works on the J-20 with domestic engines. China has like 3-4 times more 4th generation+ aircraft than India depending on whether or not you count the 126 Rafales that India does not have yet against the aircraft that China already has. Chinas military budget is $106 billion (and most people believe that China BSs its numbers and spends twice as much) while Indias isnt even half that. On top of that, India buys its jets from foreigners, spending twice the money and receiving them at half the speed at which China produces them. Thats the big picture that tells you that India is nowhere near the same league as China. China is doing such a vastly superior job compared to you that you dont even have the privilege to call China a rival. So Indians, stop criticizing China and take notes on how they are able to do what they do. Lower your head and learn because although India is doing a great job compared to the average country, you have nothing to be proud of compared to China.
Why would we call it a copy when it isn't? How could one thing be a copy of another when it uses a completely different set of systems? In fact all modern PLA equipment are indigenous; search up any history of one and you won't see any other foreign name.