J-10 might not needed as they don't add anything to PAF's capability

[DJ_Viper]

What you're saying is.
Whatever one make should not be used for the beneficial for the rest of humanity, giving unfair advantage to one side while leaving the other in the dark.

GOT IT!

What a waste of post. What are you trying to say? Explain in easy English?? We are talking about military procurement and have nothing to do with humanity's benefits right now. No weapons given to militaries for wars produce good for humanity. So I don't know how could you even write that in your post

 

[TheNoob]

What a waste of post. What are you trying to say? Explain in easy English?? We are talking about military procurement and have nothing to do with humanity's benefits right now. No weapons given to militaries for wars produce good for humanity. So I don't know how could you even write that in your post

You just salty they do what they do at your expense.

 

[hadeer khalid]

We are not looking for j10 in the long run fc 31 is our main goal which we will induct by 2020 at best so going for a different platform when jf17 is evolving would be costly decision we will have too many platforms by 2020

Jf 17 will be our light fighter,f16 our mid range and fc 31 will be our top dog if you another one in the mix you end up adding extra cost for maintainence,over hauling and what not of a platform we may not buy in the future

TfX will be good instead of Fc31..china is not focusing that much on FC31 as they are already developing j20..investing in TFX will be a good step by us..as we will get tot of it and we no longer be effected by sanctions if in near fututre america put on us.

 

[M_Saint]

Believe it or not, when you wrote the above post, it was true. It has changed since yesterday (the Pentagon stopping the military aid). So as of yesterday, the J-10C or D variant (with miniaturized J-31 tech) is on the cards again. I won't be surprised if a contract to purchase 36-40 is signed very soon, in the next few months.

The quantity would be a 36-40 (stop gap) to supplement the -16's to last, till either J-31's are procured. A JFT stealth-optimized variant is also on the cards, the JFT block IV.




Yes, its a bad thing. In fact, its a terrible, terrible thing. You won't understand because sadly speaking, Pakistan doesn't really have creativity and trademarks for anything. When you have an internal industry and a few Pakistani companies spent $ 1 trillion on building multiple new technologies. And let's say, I stole those from your computers so we can build them in the US or Mexico, that's considered a global theft and it is a violation of international copy right laws, as it gives unfair advantage to thieves, vs. the people who spent years in research to come up with something.

I don't think any of the above will make sense to you. So instead of silly posting back and forth, I won't respond to your next post.

Believe it or not, when you wrote the above post, it was true. It has changed since yesterday (the Pentagon stopping the military aid). So as of yesterday, the J-10C or D variant (with miniaturized J-31 tech) is on the cards again. I won't be surprised if a contract to purchase 36-40 is signed very soon, in the next few months.

How do U know this when other seem don't? Are U an insider or predicting it because of recent development? In any cases, U are disseminating info to Indians as well for them work on Chinese not to sell it. Do U have anything to protest?

 

[MastanKhan]

How do U know this when other seem don't? Are U an insider or predicting it because of recent development? In any cases, U are disseminating info to Indians as well for them work on Chinese not to sell it. Do U have anything to protest?

Hi,

You don't need to be an insider to know that---.

TfX will be good instead of Fc31..china is not focusing that much on FC31 as they are already developing j20..investing in TFX will be a good step by us..as we will get tot of it and we no longer be effected by sanctions if in near fututre america put on us.

Hi,

If the intellect level of a 20 years old pakistani is such that he considers an equipment that has not even started to function to that which is already running and operational in flight and testing---.

It is sad and tragic for the nation---that its children though literate in writing and expression are illiterate in thought---reasoning and understanding.

Sir---the J31 program is light years ahead of the turkish program at this time---with a fully functional---operational and flight worthy aircraft.

What ever is being tested and operational on the J20---will be used and utilized on the J31---. The chinese do not need to have a parallel testing program for the J31 as well.

PAF has burnt all the boats by starting JF 17 program . A lot of money has been spent on infrastructure and training of pilots for JF 17 . Instead of starting JF 17 Program , PAF should have procured J 10 . Now , the only option left is to invest in JF 17 and make it a true 4th Gen Fighter .

PAF has burnt all the boats by starting JF 17 program . A lot of money has been spent on infrastructure and training of pilots for JF 17 . Instead of starting JF 17 Program , PAF should have procured J 10 . Now , the only option left is to invest in JF 17 and make it a true 4th Gen Fighter .

Hi,

From an 18 years old---that is a GEM OF A POST----at least some of the Pakistani kids do have brains to think with.

Your post holds truth---. And excellent aircraft the JF17 is---but the moment Gen Musharraf signed the deal for the J10's---the JF17 project became OBSOLETE---.

And when the French refused the EW package for the JF17---this aircraft dropped further down the stair step.

So---the Paf intentionally forced the nation to chose from a lower tiered aircraft to meet and compete in its defense---strike and offence needs.

And if we look back over the years---the climb up the hill to get a potent system for this aircraft has had a devastating effect on the strenght and ability to strike of the pakistan's armed forces---.

The ' TITLE ' of the thread states and shows a lower threshold of understanding and knowledge about weapons systems.

As I posted somewhere else---the comparison is like this---

@Zibago ---has been chosen to protect his clan---Zibago comes from a warrior clan and has multiple feuds with other clans---that the opponents are ready to annihilate Zibago's clan.

Zibago's 2nd in command says---hey listen Boss---we have 90 G3 rifles---we have about 66 AR15 type of rifles----and we have to replace 190 Bolt action .303 rifles---.

For the 190 .303 rifles---we have the ability and resource and availability to get AK47 type of rifles to replace the obsolete .303 rifles----to that @Zibago states---no no no---it brings nothing new to the table----.

You mean to say 190 automatic rifles have no advantage over 190 bolt action rifles----boss.

and @Zibago says ---look 90+66= 156---so we already have 156 automatic rifles---. By adding 190 automatic rifles to our arsenal is not going to do anything different to our power projection ( what he is saying is that 346 automatic rifles don't have any strength over 156 automatic rifles )

meaning---the automatic fire of the 156 rifles is more than or same as the automatic fire from 346 automatic rifles---.

I am surprised---and sometimes am shocked---how do pakistani kids think in such a manner---what things make them think like that---and then to top it off with starting a thread with this topic---.

 

[hadeer khalid]

Hi,

You don't need to be an insider to know that---.
Its sad to know that a person who is older than a 20 years old consider every young man as illiterate and consider himself as a person who know it all..
You have no right to insult others due to the reason that their views are contradicting to yours..i expresse my views and you should have yours..but its sad that a Literate and Intelectual person like you couldnt do that without showing his real Literacy and Intelectuality..
Now coming to point, i was just saying that investing in turkish platform will be goo as it will have westren avionics and systems(including engine) which are far more better than chinese one..and chinese are more focused on J-20..and bet me J31 will be no near to J20...they are testing every thing first on J31 then improving it and testing on J20..tell me when was the last time a improved prototype of J31 flew...i
Well you must behave yourself.



Hi,

If the intellect level of a 20 years old pakistani is such that he considers an equipment that has not even started to function to that which is already running and operational in flight and testing---.

It is sad and tragic for the nation---that its children though literate in writing and expression are illiterate in thought---reasoning and understanding.

Sir---the J31 program is light years ahead of the turkish program at this time---with a fully functional---operational and flight worthy aircraft.

What ever is being tested and operational on the J20---will be used and utilized on the J31---. The chinese do not need to have a parallel testing program for the J31 as well.




Hi,

From an 18 years old---that is a GEM OF A POST----at least some of the Pakistani kids do have brains to think with.

Your post holds truth---. And excellent aircraft the JF17 is---but the moment Gen Musharraf signed the deal for the J10's---the JF17 project became OBSOLETE---.

And when the French refused the EW package for the JF17---this aircraft dropped further down the stair step.

So---the Paf intentionally forced the nation to chose from a lower tiered aircraft to meet and compete in its defense---strike and offence needs.

And if we look back over the years---the climb up the hill to get a potent system for this aircraft has had a devastating effect on the strenght and ability to strike of the pakistan's armed forces---.

The ' TITLE ' of the thread states and shows a lower threshold of understanding and knowledge about weapons systems.

As I posted somewhere else---the comparison is like this---

@Zibago ---has been chosen to protect his clan---Zibago comes from a warrior clan and has multile feuds with other clans---that the opponents are ready to annihilate Zibago's clan.

Zibago's 2nd in command says---hey listen Boss---we have 90 G3 rifles---we have about 66 AR15 type of rifles----and we have to replace 190 Bolt action .303 rifles---.

For the 190 .303 rifles---we have the ability and resource and availability to get AK47 type of rifles to replace the obsolete .303 rifles----to that @Zibago states---no no no---it brings nothing new to the table----.

You mean to say 190 automatic rifles have no advantage over 190 bolt action rifles----boss.

and @Zibago says ---look 90+66= 156---so we already have 156 automatic rifles---. By adding 190 automatic rifles to our arsenal is not going to do anything different to our power projection ( what he is saying is that 346 automatic rifles don't have any strength over 156 automatic rifles )

meaning---the automatic fire of the 156 rifles is more than or same as the automatic fire from 346 automatic rifles---.

I am surprised---and sometimes am shocked---how do pakistani kids think in such a manner---what things make them think like that---and then to top it off with starting a thread with this topic---.

 

[araz]

JF 17 Thunder
Crew: 1
Length: 14.93 m (49 ft)
Wingspan: 9.45 m (31 ft, including 2 wingtip missiles)
Height: 4.72 m (15 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 24.4 m² (263 ft²[158])
Empty weight: 6,586 kg (14,520 lb)
Loaded weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Useful load: 3600kg (Block 1) ()
Max. takeoff weight: 12,500 kg (28,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Klimov RD-93 or Guizhou WS-13[3]
Dry thrust: 49.7 kN / 51.2 kN (11,106 lbf / 11,510 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf)
G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,350 kg (5,130 lb)

Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.6 (1,217.9 mph; 1,960.1 km/h)[3][11]
Combat radius: 1,352 km (840 mi[8])[dubious – discuss]
Ferry range: 3,482 km (1,880 NM)
Service ceiling: 16,920 m (55,500 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.95 [159][160]



Armament

Guns: 1× 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon or 1x 30 mm GSh-30-2
Hardpoints: 7 in total (4 × under-wing, 2 × wing-tip, 1 × under-fuselage (Joint Hardpoint)
Missiles:


Air-to-air missiles:
MAA-1 Piranha (Short-range)[162]
AIM-9L/M (Short-range)
PL-5EII (Short-range)[163]
PL-9C (Short-range)
PL-12 / SD-10 (Beyond visual range)[163]
Air-to-surface missiles:
MAR-1 (Anti-radiation missile)[91]
Ra'ad ALCM (Nuclear-capable Subsonic Cruise missile)[164]
CM-400AKG supersonic anti-shipping missile, export version of YJ-12[165]
C-802A Anti-ship missile
CM 102 supersonic Anti radiation missile
GB-6 Air-Launched Standoff Submunition Dispenser Precision Guided Weapon
Bombs:
Unguided bombs:
Mk-82 (general purpose bomb)
Mk-84 (general purpose bomb)
Matra Durandal (anti-runway bomb)
CBU-100/Mk-20 Rockeye (anti-armour cluster bomb)
Precision guided munitions (PGM):
GBU-10 (Laser-guided)
GBU-12 (Laser-guided)
LT-2 (Laser-guided)
H-2 (electro-optically guided)
H-4 (electro-optically guided)[10]
LS-6 (satellite-guided glide bombs)[161]
Satellite-guided bombs[10]
Others:
Rocket Pods
Countermeasures (Flares, Chaff)
Up to 3 external drop tanks Ix800+2X1100

Avionics

DEEC electronic warfare suite
NRIET KLJ-7 multi-mode fire-control radar
Night vision goggles (NVG) compatible glass cockpit
Externally mounted avionics pods:
KG-300G self-protection radar jamming pod[166]
WMD-7 day/night targeting pod[166]



Chengdu J10
Crew: 1[12]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 39 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb[7])
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Useful load: 6,000 kg[7] (13,200lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [7][12] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)



Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[54][55] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
Combat radius: 550 km[7] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[7] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[7] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[7]

Armament

Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:

Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K





Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg









Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time



Avionics

Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
Chengdu J10
Crew: 1[12]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 39 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb[7])
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Useful load: 6,000 kg[7] (13,200lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [7][12] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)



Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[54][55] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
Combat radius: 550 km[7] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[7] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[7] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[7]

Armament

Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:

Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K





Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg









Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time



Avionics

Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
I think it is useless talking in riddles and conjectures. The reason J10 brings nothing new on to the table lies inb a comparison of the tables of performances. You have to understand that p[eople are projecting J10 as a medium weight long range fighter.The ferry range goes against that supposition.
It has more hardpoints but the belly hardpoints are mostly reserved for dumb bombs of 250 Lbs. So effectively it will end up with as many hardpoints usable for BVR/WVR as JFT.
The last point pertains to the potential weapons which can be mounted on JFT vs the J10.
Now if you want to carry on the debate pleas e do so.
lastly figures presented are those of Block 1 of both fighters so if you want to upgrade figures please do so.
Regards

 

[hadeer khalid]

JF17 Specs: 5.56mm



J10 Specs: 7.62x51
As i already told you, i gave my own opinion and you, your own..i was oky with your point but mine one hurt your butt..so plz refrain from insulting any other..



Hi,

Don't be mad at me---be mad at yourself---.

A bird in hand is better than two in the bush.

 

[MastanKhan]

JF 17 Thunder
Crew: 1
Length: 14.93 m (49 ft)
Wingspan: 9.45 m (31 ft, including 2 wingtip missiles)
Height: 4.72 m (15 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 24.4 m² (263 ft²[158])
Empty weight: 6,586 kg (14,520 lb)
Loaded weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Useful load: 3600kg (Block 1) ()
Max. takeoff weight: 12,500 kg (28,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Klimov RD-93 or Guizhou WS-13[3]
Dry thrust: 49.7 kN / 51.2 kN (11,106 lbf / 11,510 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf)
G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,350 kg (5,130 lb)

Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.6 (1,217.9 mph; 1,960.1 km/h)[3][11]
Combat radius: 1,352 km (840 mi[8])[dubious – discuss]
Ferry range: 3,482 km (1,880 NM)
Service ceiling: 16,920 m (55,500 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.95 [159][160]



Armament

Guns: 1× 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon or 1x 30 mm GSh-30-2
Hardpoints: 7 in total (4 × under-wing, 2 × wing-tip, 1 × under-fuselage (Joint Hardpoint)
Missiles:


Air-to-air missiles:
MAA-1 Piranha (Short-range)[162]
AIM-9L/M (Short-range)
PL-5EII (Short-range)[163]
PL-9C (Short-range)
PL-12 / SD-10 (Beyond visual range)[163]
Air-to-surface missiles:
MAR-1 (Anti-radiation missile)[91]
Ra'ad ALCM (Nuclear-capable Subsonic Cruise missile)[164]
CM-400AKG supersonic anti-shipping missile, export version of YJ-12[165]
C-802A Anti-ship missile
CM 102 supersonic Anti radiation missile
GB-6 Air-Launched Standoff Submunition Dispenser Precision Guided Weapon
Bombs:
Unguided bombs:
Mk-82 (general purpose bomb)
Mk-84 (general purpose bomb)
Matra Durandal (anti-runway bomb)
CBU-100/Mk-20 Rockeye (anti-armour cluster bomb)
Precision guided munitions (PGM):
GBU-10 (Laser-guided)
GBU-12 (Laser-guided)
LT-2 (Laser-guided)
H-2 (electro-optically guided)
H-4 (electro-optically guided)[10]
LS-6 (satellite-guided glide bombs)[161]
Satellite-guided bombs[10]
Others:
Rocket Pods
Countermeasures (Flares, Chaff)
Up to 3 external drop tanks Ix800+2X1100

Avionics

DEEC electronic warfare suite
NRIET KLJ-7 multi-mode fire-control radar
Night vision goggles (NVG) compatible glass cockpit
Externally mounted avionics pods:
KG-300G self-protection radar jamming pod[166]
WMD-7 day/night targeting pod[166]



Chengdu J10
Crew: 1[12]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 39 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb[7])
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Useful load: 6,000 kg[7] (13,200lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [7][12] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)



Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[54][55] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
Combat radius: 550 km[7] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[7] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[7] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[7]

Armament

Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:

Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K





Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg









Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time



Avionics

Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
Chengdu J10
Crew: 1[12]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 39 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb[7])
Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
Useful load: 6,000 kg[7] (13,200lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [7][12] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)



Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[54][55] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
Combat radius: 550 km[7] (342 mi)
Ferry range: 1,850 km[7] (1,150 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m[7] (59,055 ft)
Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.15 (with AL-31FN3); 1.16 (with WS-10B)
Maximum g-load: +9/–3 g[7]

Armament

Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23
Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 7,000 kg (15,400 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43]
Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
Missiles:

Air-to-air missiles:
PL-8
PL-9
PL-11
PL-12
Air-to-surface missiles:
PJ-9
YJ-9K





Bombs:
Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg









Others:
Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time



Avionics

Type 1473H pulse-doppler fire control radar
Externally mounted avionics pods:
Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod
I think it is useless talking in riddles and conjectures. The reason J10 brings nothing new on to the table lies inb a comparison of the tables of performances. You have to understand that p[eople are projecting J10 as a medium weight long range fighter.The ferry range goes against that supposition.
It has more hardpoints but the belly hardpoints are mostly reserved for dumb bombs of 250 Lbs. So effectively it will end up with as many hardpoints usable for BVR/WVR as JFT.
The last point pertains to the potential weapons which can be mounted on JFT vs the J10.
Now if you want to carry on the debate pleas e do so.
lastly figures presented are those of Block 1 of both fighters so if you want to upgrade figures please do so.
Regards

Sir,

All these numbers sound wonderful---. The JF17 is an excellent aircraft on its own merit---there is no doubt about that.

It has its own utility and place---and no one is denying that.

But it will always stay at a lower tier due to its weight class and size.

Secondly---what most people are forgetting is that the production capabilities of the JF17 are limited.

You have aircraft for the use of Paf---and you also want to sell them to other countries as well---and not enough can be built to fill in the hole that the Paf has created for itself.

So---there have to be aircraft that need to be procured to fill up the coming empty spots.

And the most important thing of all---the J10 is china's baby---they will keep investing on it to make it better---so Paf could have just tagged along for the ride---for the JF17---every thing that needs to be done and upgraded will have to be out of the pocket of Paf---.


Where the poster is gettiung confused is the term used over here " it brings nothing new to the table "---.

The question here is---does the poster really understand the term ' nothing new to the table ' and comprehends it as well.

So---let me re-state what the poster is saying in a different manner---.

Supposedly---the millitary has 10 division of Al Khalid Tanks and 10 divisions of T55 tanks----20 divisions all---just an example.

Now here is what the poster is saying---if the 10 divisions of T55 tanks are replaced with 10 divisions more of Al Khalid tanks---and as the do not bring anything new to the table---because we already have 10 divisions of al Khalid tanks---and making them 20 divisions of Al Khalid tanks will have no effect on the power projection---and it will bring nothing new to the table.

@hadeer khalid

Hi,

Learn to raise your standards of thinking and reasoning and use better language---rather than getting upset at me and using vulgar comments.

 

[hadeer khalid]

Sir,

All these numbers sound wonderful---. The JF17 is an excellent aircraft on its own merit---there is no doubt about that.

It has its own utility and place---and no one is denying that.

But it will always stay at a lower tier due to its weight class and size.

Secondly---what most people are forgetting is that the production capabilities of the JF17 are limited.

You have aircraft for the use of Paf---and you also want to sell them to other countries as well---and not enough can be built to fill in the hole that the Paf has created for itself.

So---there have to be aircraft that need to be procured to fill up the coming empty spots.

And the most important thing of all---the J10 is china's baby---they will keep investing on it to make it better---so Paf could have just tagged along for the ride---for the JF17---every thing that needs to be done and upgraded will have to be out of the pocket of Paf---.


Where the poster is gettiung confused is the term used over here " it brings nothing new to the table "---.

The question here is---does the poster really understand the term ' nothing new to the table ' and comprehends it as well.

So---let me re-state what the poster is saying in a different manner---.

Supposedly---the millitary has 10 division of Al Khalid Tanks and 10 divisions of T55 tanks----20 divisions all---just an example.

Now here is what the poster is saying---if the 10 divisions of T55 tanks are replaced with 10 divisions more of Al Khalid tanks---and as the do not bring anything new to the table---because we already have 10 divisions of al Khalid tanks---and making them 20 divisions of Al Khalid tanks will have no effect on the power projection---and it will bring nothing new to the table.

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@hadeer khalid

Hi,

Learn to raise your standards of thinking and reasoning and use better language---rather than getting upset at me and using vulgar comments.

Done with you..and if you want me to raise standard like you, i am okay with myself..
And please dont consider yourself as most high standard, most intelligent and intelectual Kind on earth..
Thank you

 

[Mentee]

Done with you..and if you want me to raise standard like you, i am okay with myself..
And please dont consider yourself as most high standard, most intelligent and intelectual Kind on earth..
Thank you

mate , he never professed to be one-------just uses his brain cells-----bcoz 99% of the strategic planning is common sense

 

[MastanKhan]

Done with you..and if you want me to raise standard like you, i am okay with myself..
And please dont consider yourself as most high standard, most intelligent and intelectual Kind on earth..
Thank you

Hi,

First and foremost welcome to the forum.

 

[aliyusuf]

Done with you..and if you want me to raise standard like you, i am okay with myself..
And please dont consider yourself as most high standard, most intelligent and intelectual Kind on earth..
Thank you

Its quite ok to have a difference of opinion. But what is not ok, is resorting to acrimony when the opposing argument is unacceptable. You have a lot to prove before you can earn the right to address @MastanKhan in any manner other than with respect. Because he has proven himself and has earned his place in this forum.

 

[hadeer khalid]

Its quite ok to have a difference of opinion. But what is not ok, is resorting to acrimony when the opposing argument is unacceptable. You have a lot to prove before you can earn the right to address @MastanKhan in any manner other than with respect. Because he has proven himself and has earned his place in this forum.

I didnt deny the fact that he has proven himself..but calling someone illiterate and low standard just because he has contradicting opinion is right?

 

[aliyusuf]

I didnt deny the fact that he has proven himself..but calling someone illiterate and low standard just because he has contradicting opinion is right?

Not sure where you were called "illiterate" ... but I didn't search thoroughly enough ... but my advice to you is not to loose your cool and your dignity in such situations. But all I can do is to offer a suggestion. The rest is up to you.

In all honesty he was actually encouraging you to use your logic and common sense about the fact the J-31 is now a reality and TFX is still on the proverbial drawing board.