Car sales people mean deal makers---people who can see the situation---think on their feet---find the golden nugget---own it and run with it.
sir, i will second you on car salesmen but only for sales of JF-17 and other products, as we have already seen a car dealer is in the sales of F-17 to SL..
but for purchase we need typical old minded man who can bargain until he gets what he want to at his own conditions..
here you have TOT of French systems----you have the most advanced sub in the region---you have one of the most proven sub in the region and yet you are falling for the German sub.
and after 2-3 year when Germans got to know that PN just fooling her nation on subs deal.. they show middle finger to PN and said get lost we don't have time to waste..
Our colleague Ghazi786 seems to be a fighter jock---and we appreciate his presence---.
difference is good for positive growth..
After the 2nd world war---for the israelis to consolidate their positions---they found all the junk weapons in europe and paid exorbitant prices and made excellent use of it---because their backs were to the sea---do or die---.
there is the difference between Israelis and Pakistanis, israelis migrated from all over world to israel, so they have only one option-- do --or-- die..
but Pakistanis(high ranks) migrated to all over the world from Pakistan and actually they also have only one option --- collect as many as you can to migrate-- or -- you have to live in Pakistan..
But even than give me some solid reasons why an F-16 bulk 52+ will not be able to counter a Rafale whether on one to one or in team fight in BVR or WVR and than we can discuss this further.
F-16 has been prohibited by its creature to go to east, if it went ahead without it's creatures will, F-16 will die..
It is not about having some love affair with F-16s, this is just misinformation spread around. It was a cold and hard decision. Give me a reason why you think it was a love affair.
a sane person will never repeat his same mistake which has almost kill him... but... but.. but.
Lover will repeat his mistakes until he gets his love or die..
there is a saying in Sindhi for the lover.."ashiq majboor aa bhaly kedo be kandhar hujy" in english "
Romeo is helpless even though he is powerful".
But why, why US will give us AIM-120s, will china be ready to export one of their best AAMs to another country without a fighter platform even if we request them to do so?
These things do not work like this, IAF is now getting Rafales let us see if they can also get AIM-120s without buying a US fighter platform.
i think you should have to read again my comment.. i clearly say with
MLUed = upgraded F-16..
Basically french balked at allowing Chinese near their systems. First hurdle will be that if you are going to use mission control system with chinese assistance than how will you persuade french to allow them access to their radar and spectra's subsystems to help us integrate it into JF-17. On the other hand if we just give up to having source code for mission control systems and subsystems than we also give up any chance to integrate chinese systems and weapons. Also we'll always be beholden to French when ever we need to integrate anything in Jf-17 avionics or even modify it. It will practically be an 'indigenous' fighter only in name, nothing more.
i think you don;t know that French were happy to sell their radars and missiles for F-17 but MMRCA did her magic..
and as for French and chinese cooperation, Airbus is making her helicopter in china , and there are lots of JV between French companies and Chinese companies...
No, I do not agree with this, this is just wishful thinking. Why would french allow a much cheaper jet to have same avionics as their own and very expensive jet. This would have lynched any chances of sales of Rafale. If you can remember, Rafale was in the works in late 90s and I think started getting inducted by 2002 in France but had lot of trouble finding sales and did this in from I think 2015 onward.
F-17 and rafale are from different categories. F-17 is light-weight and is used for interception and air defence.. but rafale is medium-weight and is very near to heavy-weight and is used for SEAD, DEAD, deep-strike, etc. there is not any comparing between them.. ..
rafale had hard time because at initial years, from 2002-2007 most countries in MENA has already ordered for F-16 because of WoT..and then global recession comes in 2008 and from 2010 to 2013 whole MENA region was struggling with Arab Spring.uprising...
almost every country in MENA region still 3rd gen fighter and they are more than 30+ years old and that needs replacements.. French are businessmen they won;t mind because they would be earning money on radars and weapons from F-17 sales..
Why? why there is not an issue with its range. Although I do know very well about Ropt,Rtr,Rmin ranges of atlas our systems or competing ones but give me a solid reason in terms of figures or if you have a new doctrine about BVR than please elaborate.
if i'm not wrong mica has range of 50+km and that is more than ok for indo-pak war scenario...