It's Time to Ignore China's Nine-Dash Line

[CAPRICORN-88]

OK time to finish you off.

https://pca-cpa.org/en/about/structure/members-of-the-court/

MEMBERS OF THE PERMANENT COURT OF ARBITRATION

https://pca-cpa.org/wp-content/uplo.../Current-List-Annex-1-MC-updated-20160719.pdf

Membership established conclusively

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Still have not withdrawn membership in light of the ruling

= Major egg on face + butthurt



So where has the PRC established PCA is an unequal treaty/agreement/signing etc etc in any official statement or withdrawal of its representatives...in light of what I just posted above.

More:

https://pca-cpa.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/175/2016/01/2015-Annex-1-MC.pdf

That is your so-called EVIDENCE!

You will need more than that to finish me off due to your LACK OF UNDERSTANDING in this subject.

Looks practically anybody can be a participant or a judge in a Tribunal so long as PCA recognized you status or did not objected it.

Most importantly these INDIVIDUALS are PAID and REWARDED.

Since you are so persistent to prove you are right, let me rephrase the question.

Can China officially resign from the PCA?
NATURALLY NOT and China NEVER have to as the recognition is appeared to be done so by PCA themselves.

That will be a MILLION DOLLAR question legally since she has neither SIGNED nor RATIFIED the Haque Conventions of either 1899 or 1907?

To do that the PCA has to serve their notice to soome very DEAD people in China, the officials or perhaps the Emperor of the Qing Dynasty with her official seal.

PCA is never linked to the UN and hence whatever it ruled has NO BEARING on any states except by consent.

PCA is started off as a European Intergovernment Organisation.
PCA is not a court, but rather a bureaucracy that provide services of ARBITRAL TRIBUNAL to resolve disputes between member states, international organizations, or private parties arising out of international agreements.

Now look here!

Who is the real BUTTHEAD in here who does not understand anything bout protocols or international laws?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Keep in mind, 1989, may be what it is, but it isn't the worst in history nor has it not been surpassed. Yet the embargo is essentially only on us.

In 1989, Americans had our plane in their hands, it wasn't great, but they wanted to know what it was. They told us they were going to upgraded, instead they stripped it down and shipped it back to us. what's worse, they not only didn't upgrade it, they charged us for the shipping.

Did you know Americans also put tracking chips in all the blackhawks they sold to us.

Point is, come back to us in 10-20 years, and see if you still feel the same about international courts and their backers.

I remembered of this J8-II project, at first I was thrill of China-US military cooperation and the super-7 (which later become JF-17) but wtf we got screwed big time, and since then I have not fate on any Sino-US cooperation, I said to my self "better off to do thing by our self" and thank to the determination of Chinese engineers, scientist and especially those who risk their life to spy American technology for China, we got what we're today which an independent military country.

 

[boomslang]

Well! The truth is Many in the US believed that they owned the MOON and even MARS but today USA can't do anything about it including SCS.

LACK of funds, NASA says. Hence they wanted to borrow more money from rival China. Don't STOP buying our bonds, Presidential hope Hilliary Clintons plead with China and in the meantime she continues with her anti-China rhetorics.

AND that is the real JOKE!

Yeah, and China is a real space powerhouse. HAHAHAHAHAHA !!! Can China even land a plane on a carrier at night yet ? China: Three hundred million people 'living the dream' and a BILLION without a pot to piss in.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

On the other hand, countries like India will have to resign from PCA since they signed and ratify the treaty in 1950.

 

[Nilgiri]

Not the point of it all. I just seen a thread in Indian section about American decision on ISRO rockets, you will find if you actually manage to make something of India, Americans would be far less willing to help.

Keep in mind, 1989, may be what it is, but it isn't the worst in history nor has it not been surpassed. Yet the embargo is essentially only on us.

In 1989, Americans had our plane in their hands, it wasn't great, but they wanted to know what it was. They told us they were going to upgraded, instead they stripped it down and shipped it back to us. what's worse, they not only didn't upgrade it, they charged us for the shipping.

Did you know Americans also put tracking chips in all the blackhawks they sold to us.

Point is, come back to us in 10-20 years, and see if you still feel the same about international courts and their backers.

Do you accept China is a member of the PCA or not? That is all I am trying to explain to your countrymen here.

That is your so-called EVIDENCE!

You will need more than that to finish me off due to your LACK OF UNDERSTANDING in this subject.

Looks practically anybody can be a participant or a judge in a Tribunal so long as PCA recognized you status or did not objected it.

Most importantly these INDIVIDUALS are PAID and REWARDED.

Since you are so persistent to prove you are right, let me rephrase the question.

Can China officially resign from the PCA?
NATURALLY NOT and China NEVER have to as the recognition is appeared to be done so by PCA themselves.

That will be a MILLION DOLLAR question legally since she has neither SIGNED nor RATIFIED the Haque Conventions of either 1899 or 1907?

To do that the PCA has to serve their notice to soome very DEAD people in China, the officials or perhaps the Emperor of the Qing Dynasty with her official seal.

PCA is never linked to the UN and hence whatever it ruled has NO BEARING on any states except by consent.

PCA is started off as a European Intergovernment Organisation.
PCA is not a court, but rather a bureaucracy that provide services of ARBITRAL TRIBUNAL to resolve disputes between member states, international organizations, or private parties arising out of international agreements.

Now look here!

Who is the real BUTTHEAD in here who does not understand anything bout protocols or international laws?

One simple statment from PRC stating that it is not a member of the PCA is all that is required. But of course you cannot find one and are mad China is clearly a member of the PCA and does not deny it. Good to make you type so much on a verified fact that is quite obvious to everyone else including China's govt.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Yeah, and China is a real space powerhouse. HAHAHAHAHAHA !!! Can China even land a plane on a carrier at night yet ? China: Three hundred million people 'living the dream' and a BILLION without a pot to piss in.

WE do not know that, do we?

But what we do know that USA is printing MORE and MORE money and that is making the US currency irrelevant.

Anyway you are trolling and completely off topic!

Do you accept China is a member of the PCA or not? That is all I am trying to explain to your countrymen here.



One simple statment from PRC stating that it is not a member of the PCA is all that is required. But of course you cannot find one and are mad China is clearly a member of the PCA and does not deny it. Good to make you type so much on a verified fact that is quite obvious to everyone else including China's govt.

Funny, only a silly Indian like you would considered doing something as SILLY as that.

Hmm what harm will it do to China by NOT mentioning it and still enjoy the status quo.

 

[Genesis]

Do you accept China is a member of the PCA or not? That is all I am trying to explain to your countrymen here.

Don't know, never wanted to find out. I'm not a professional in this field thus my knowledge of these details do me no good. What I like to discuss is events in general.

If you think we are in then we are in. Though I fail to see the significance of it, honestly. Other than an argument I guess.

 

[Nilgiri]

If you think we are in then we are in. Though I fail to see the significance of it, honestly. Other than an argument I guess.

Yah the significance is another matter entirely.

Lots of countries are members of things they dont always follow through with automatically on certain matters.

China is no exception.

 

[S10]

Withdraw? Japan didn't withdraw when PCA ruled against it, instead they just ignored the ruling. UK didn't withdraw from the PCA when it got an unfavorable decision, and reacted the same way as Japan. That is also the case with Russia. In fact, everyone that "lost" the 16 arbitration chose not to comply. These kangaroo courts, while toothless, is a good tool for countries to increase their presence. Beyond that, it doesn't do anything. China has not participate in any of its arbitration process since 1911, despite having the token representative there.

Only idiots think they found God through this PCA, namely Japs, Indians, Vietnamese and Filipinos.

 

[Nilgiri]

Withdraw? Japan didn't withdraw when PCA ruled against it, instead they just ignored the ruling. UK didn't withdraw from the PCA when it got an unfavorable decision, and reacted the same way as Japan. That is also the case with Russia. In fact, everyone that "lost" the 16 arbitration chose not to comply. These kangaroo courts, while toothless, is a good tool for countries to increase their presence. Beyond that, it doesn't do anything. China has not participate in any of its arbitration process since 1911, despite having the token representative there.

Only idiots think they found God through this PCA, namely Japs, Indians, Vietnamese and Filipinos.

Well I'm just showing your compatriots that China is a member of PCA, they seem to think its not.

 

[S10]

Well I'm just showing your compatriots that China is a member of PCA, they seem to think its not.

People's Republic of China did not sign up for the PCA. It was a treaty inherited from ROC, which itself inherited it from the Qing Empire. The signing of Hague Convention was 112 years ago, before the modern state of China existed. In the 112 years that followed, China has not participate in any of its proceedings whether as a defendant or claimant.

The PCA's decision is in itself a violation of UNCLOS, which stated that arbitration cannot be used to resolve matter of sovereignty. In addition, it is a violation of Article 310.


Declaration under article 298:

The Government of the People's Republic of China does not accept any of the procedures provided for in Section 2 of Part XV of the Convention with respect to all the categories of disputes referred to in paragraph 1 (a) (b) and (c) of Article 298 of the Convention.

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_declarations.htm

Just to further my point, over 30 countries (Including American allies) have similar made declarations that no arbitration on their sovereignty status would be accepted.

 

[Nilgiri]

The PCA's decision is in itself a violation of UNCLOS, which stated that arbitration cannot be used to resolve matter of sovereignty. In addition, it is a violation of Article 310.

How does that make sense:


Article310

Declarations and statements

Article 309 does not preclude a State, when signing, ratifying or acceding to this Convention, from making declarations or statements, however phrased or named, with a view, inter alia, to the harmonization of its laws and regulations with the provisions of this Convention, provided that such declarations or statements do not purport to exclude or to modify the legal effect of the provisions of this Convention in their application to that State.

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Where is arbitration mentioned in this?

People's Republic of China did not sign up for the PCA. It was a treaty inherited from ROC, which itself inherited it from the Qing Empire. The signing of Hague Convention was 112 years ago, before the modern state of China existed. In the 112 years that followed, China has not participate in any of its proceedings whether as a defendant or claimant.

You are a member unless you specifically withdraw...end of story.

What you choose to ignore or contest is another story.

 

[S10]

How does that make sense:

Article310

Declarations and statements

Article 309 does not preclude a State, when signing, ratifying or acceding to this Convention, from making declarations or statements, however phrased or named, with a view, inter alia, to the harmonization of its laws and regulations with the provisions of this Convention, provided that such declarations or statements do not purport to exclude or to modify the legal effect of the provisions of this Convention in their application to that State.

It is a violation of the national declarations that arbitration is not accepted, both prior or after the signing of UNCLOS. That is allowed by Article 310. Furthermore, as a non-UN body, the PCA is clearly issuing verdict on a UN treaty to change status of sovereignty. That's beyond the mandate of UNCLOS.

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Where is arbitration mentioned in this?



You are a member unless you specifically withdraw...end of story.

What you choose to ignore or contest is another story.

China recognizes the Hague Convention, which deals with rules governing warfare. Being a member of PCA is an unfortunate side-effect of recognizing the treaty, but nowhere in modern history has China ever said it recognize the authority of that kangaroo court.

 

[BoQ77]

Nine dashed line doesn't relate to sovereignty.
Has China ever explained its meaning? or any relation of it to sovereignty?

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Why should we waste time, convincing those are biased and have no intention of seeing things from the Chinese perspective?

Why through pearls before the swine? (it is an ancient saying, not intended as insult to any group)

China shall keep on doing what it is doing in SCS. Finish the project and move to ECS and finish the projet there as well.

What matters to the Dragon what unfriendly voice say? Noise only.

Focus, determination and finishing the job.

Those who desire peace and development will join, others will sadly be left behind.