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It's started: Robot Uprising Begins as China Turns to Machines to Fill in Gaps in the Workforce

This is what we'd like to hear in the ongoing technological revolution. Instead of bitching about how dangerous robots are to a nation's employment, we should be fully focused on how to keep the trend at our side and let the new techs stand in our national interests.

If we miss out on robotic revolution on phony grounds, others won't. And we will be mere customers and consumers without achieving any value added.

China cannot be on that side of the equation anymore. Hence, robotics and automation is the way to go. Associated social problems? We will have to solve them on the go.

This is awesome news....!! Da Vinci costs a fortune....with Chinese coming into this field it's good for surgeons from developing countries as they have a chance to use cutting edge technology at a reasonable prices!!

Mass marketization and availability of advanced technological products is important for developing countries to qualitatively improve domestic conditions. Otherwise, the vicious cycle of developed-undeveloped will continue much longer.
 
If we miss out on robotic revolution on phony grounds, others won't. And we will be mere customers and consumers without achieving any value added.

China cannot be on that side of the equation anymore. Hence, robotics and automation is the way to go. Associated social problems? We will have to solve them on the go.



Mass marketization and availability of advanced technological products is important for developing countries to qualitatively improve domestic conditions. Otherwise, the vicious cycle of developed-undeveloped will continue much longer.
Yeah....the price of western medical equipment it's preposterous....they sure have exceptional quality and reliability...but with those exoberant prices...the developing countries struggle to provide highest quality healthcare!!
 
If we miss out on robotic revolution on phony grounds, others won't. And we will be mere customers and consumers without achieving any value added.

China cannot be on that side of the equation anymore. Hence, robotics and automation is the way to go. Associated social problems? We will have to solve them on the go.



Mass marketization and availability of advanced technological products is important for developing countries to qualitatively improve domestic conditions. Otherwise, the vicious cycle of developed-undeveloped will continue much longer.

CT machines are now manufactured in China's poorest province Guizhou.
Much higher accuracy and shorter scanning time required than traditional CT


Gui'an industrial area, Guizhou Province
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Could you find me any online seller of surgical equipment who can ship em to India....pm me a link if possible!! Thanks!

Sorry, I am not familiar with this area, but you might try via Alibaba's international sourcing platform.
Such huge equipment generally requires a very complicated vetting process.
 
Sorry, I am not familiar with this area, but you might try via Alibaba's international sourcing platform.
Such huge equipment generally requires a very complicated vetting process.
I'm interested only in the surgical equipment...anyways thanks....if you get any info...pm me!!
 
China cannot be on that side of the equation anymore. Hence, robotics and automation is the way to go. Associated social problems? We will have to solve them on the go.

There are no associated problems. All can be solved with right education and training of the workforce.

CT machines are now manufactured in China's poorest province Guizhou.
Much higher accuracy and shorter scanning time required than traditional CT


Gui'an industrial area, Guizhou Province
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What is the market share of this CT machine in China?
 
The associated social problems caused by the new technological revolution put the values of excessive low-quality labor meaningless. Most countries will have terrible strokes.

Very well said.

That's definitely a nastier world for under-developed and under-prepared countries. Technological breakthroughs are hardly solitary incidents. They require a system-wide change, including social structures, roles, and make-up.

If a country is inherently inefficient and unprepared, it Is bound to experience more negative impacts of such leaps.

Consider the Middle East that was unprepared for internet age. Scientific social engineering must accompany radical technological advancements.
 
This is awesome news....!! Da Vinci costs a fortune

I'm sure it used to be far more expensive 15 years ago when it first came out. Since then they have sold over 3800+ systems around the world (2500+ in the US). They will recoup their R&D costs and the prices will come down as robotic surgery becomes mainstream.
 
I'm sure it used to be far more expensive 15 years ago when it first came out. Since then they have sold over 3800+ systems around the world (2500+ in the US). They will recoup their R&D costs and the prices will come down as robotic surgery becomes mainstream.
Basic model cost effing 6 million dollars? WTF still way too expensive!
 
China's medical robots take on foreign rivals
(China Daily) 08:25, February 13, 2017



A doctor uses Phecda, a surgical robot developed by Tinavi, to do orthopedic surgery in Beijing Jishuitan Hospital in 2016. PROVIDED TO CHINADAILY

Domestic entries are competing on precision, price

Surgeon Tian Wei came across one of the most challenging orthopedic surgeries in his 30-year career in 2015. A 43-year-old patient had complained of progressive numbness in the limbs on his right side for 14 months, caused by a deformity in his upper cervical vertebrae.

The patient was in dire need of surgery to implant a screw to help support his neck bone, but the operation was risky. Any minor mistake could lead to paralysis or a life-threatening hemorrhage. Many hospitals were unwilling to treat him.

But Tian, who also is president of Beijing Jishuitan Hospital, decided to do the surgery — with a little help from another "surgeon".

The operation was completed in an hour with help from Phecda, a surgery robot with a 3-D high-definition visual system that can "see" the internal orthopedic structure and a "hand" that can guide medical tools to the proper location within 0.8 millimeters.

Developed by Beijing Tinavi Medical Technology Co with the help of Jishuitan Hospital, Phecda is part of the broad effort by Chinese companies to outcompete foreign rivals just as the country's use of medical robots is set to take off, thanks in part to an aging population.

Medical robots are highlighted in the country's Made in China 2025 strategy, which was designed to promote high-end manufacturing.

"That was the world's first robot-assisted surgery on upper cervical vertebrae," Tian said, describing the 2015 clinical trial. "Phecda is more precise than foreign products and its cost is lower."

Phecda, which is the third-generation surgery robot developed by Tinavi, is ready to be commercialized this year after obtaining approval from the China Food and Drug Administration in July.

Chinese medical robot-makers like Tinavi are working hard to outshine foreign companies in both price and quality as they benefit from ample demand, strong policy support and manufacturing prowess, company executives and experts said.

By 2050, more than 400 million Chinese will be over 60 years old, accounting for more than 30 percent of the population, up from about 11 percent now, official data show.

"The growing number of senior citizens will offer a sizable quantity of clinical cases, and enterprises can leverage a huge database to accelerate research and development," said Zhang Songgen, chairman of Tinavi.

In April, China unveiled its plan to sell more than 30 billion yuan ($4.4 billion) worth of domestic service robots by 2020. Medical robots are an important part of the ambitious goal, Zhang said.

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A patient walks with the help of a rehabilitation robot in a hospitalin Xiangyang, Hubei province, in 2016. YANG DONG / FOR CHINA DAILY

In 2016, China's medical robotics market was valued at 791 million yuan, up 34.4 percent from 2015, according to a report by the Beijing-based research company GCiS.

"From surgery, rehabilitation, drug delivery to home care, robots are set to transform China's healthcare industry, " GCiS predicted.

In addition to Tinavi, whose robots have completed around 2,000 surgeries since 2010, there are many new players.

One of them is Chongqing Jinshan Science and Technology. The company started as a maker of capsule endoscopes, or pill-sized cameras that record images of the digestive tract. Its products, approved by US medical authorities in 2008, are available in over 60 countries.

Jinshan has become partners with the well-regarded Harbin Institute of Technology on the country's first minimally invasive surgical robot for thoracic and celiac diseases. It is scheduled to go into clinical testing soon.

"China's medical robot sector is still in its infancy. But homegrown enterprises and universities are more united than ever in the R&D of core technologies. They are narrowing the gap with foreign leaders such as US company Intuitive Surgical's da Vinci surgery robot," said Guo Xuan, deputy director of Beijing-based Yizhuang Smart Robotics Industry Research Institute. Strong policy support has helped, Guo said.

Yu Shaoyu, a government official in charge of attracting high-tech enterprises to Wuxi, Jiangsu province, said, "We have set up an industry fund to encourage medical robot- makers, and will offer them a slate of preferential policies, including rent rebates and help in intellectual property applications."

Public hospitals are also encouraged to play an active part. China PLA Navy General Hospital has developed the neurosurgical robot Remebot through a partnership with Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics.

"It is very important to win support from hospitals because they are the buyers of most medical robots and know exactly what is needed," said Luo Jun, CEO of the International Robotics and Intelligent Equipment Industry Alliance.

The field is so promising that Midea Group, a major Chinese home appliances maker, also has joined in. It set up a joint venture in 2015 with Yaskawa Electric Corp, a Japanese robot maker, to develop nursing care and rehabilitation robots.

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In medical robotics, Japan is the present gold standard. No wonder another Confucius-sphere peer, China, catches up fast.
China will overtake Japan in this category in the near future.
 
Basic model cost effing 6 million dollars? WTF still way too expensive!


I'm giving you the figure on reaching to India!!

If the instrument costs $2M in US and costs $6M in India, then some middlemen is making a killing.
I don't believe the taxes and shipping costs add up to $4M, even if it is air freighted.
A big chunk of the $4M goes to the middlemen.
 
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