its back to basic for GTRE after Kaveri Engine is scrapped

[trident2010]

India should try to master the steam engine first.

China should try not to copy and steal and make cheap rip offs first.

 

[Hareeshu IA MBT]

these two couol be easily achievable by using knowledge of Kaveri Project.for 3rd one,it needs extensive research.but I wonder for what purpose that engine is going to be used.AMCA is going to have either F-414's or EJ-200's variant which will produce 120 KN.

But we need our own engine for mass production and replacing older engine . In future we might have more powerful desi engine for mki tejas etc . We must be prepared

 

[he-man]

Unless we start paying better and hiring the best minds we will always stay behind.
No top scientist will work for paltry 1 lakh rupees per month
meaning less than 2000$ per month when they have far better options and lesser pressure.

Lot of hal/drdo trolls will start laughing at me but thats the brutal truth.

 

[Screambowl]

apne roothey paraye roothey Kaveri roothey naa.. khwab tootey , waadey tootey, Kaveri tootey naa .. oooooooo ... roothey toh Khuda bhi roothy, Kaveri sath chhutey naaa. Oh Allah waariyaa , Kaveri jaariyaa... oh tutey kaveriiya ... Allah wariyaan ... oh Kaveri ,,,,, miladey oye

Udatey Tejaso mein... Khaki wali vardio mein ... jhoomeey IAF or DRDO yaaar ... wapis toh ajaveeey... engine fitt ho javee yaaar.. oooooo Allah Wariyaan ... tutey Kaveriyaaa ... oooooooo

again DRDO is planing to waste money!

 

[SpArK]

A lot of the delays in the development of the Kaveri project and its subsequent dumping can also be attributed to the fact that India's industrial base has only now come up to speed to provide the necessary components for prototyping complex devices like modern low bypass turbofans. This means that engine development can now be speeded up using domestic resources itself and this will naturally make foreign partners more amenable to offering better terms of trade.

In fact it is now time that India move quickly to set up a High Altitude Engine Test Facility at the earliest to reduce India's dependence on Russia's Glomov Flight Research Institute (GFRI) and expedite the process of development

Aero engine components that are likely to be sourced domestically can /may include casings, blisks, shafts, housings, stators, pump housing bushing, sleeves and sub-assays.

This would mean that there will be ample business for existing tier-2 and tier-3 players. The tier-3 segment in particular (theoretically any company which has some casting and forging capability and can build fasteners, bearings, wiring harness and machine structural sheet metal can become a tier-3 supplier) is likely to see a major influx of new companies.

For instance, Wipro Infrastructure Engineering has in place an agreement with Spanish company CESA (Compania Espanola de Sistemas Aeronauticos SA), a subsidiary of the global aerospace and defence corporation, EADS, for the manufacture of precision engineering components including hydraulics.


Ultimately however a lot of the business is likely to emanate from sub-contracts issued by India's only existing end to end company in the aerospace business - Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). HAL is also the only real Indian tier-1 player in the domain of aero-engines. And HAL, whose engine division has a long history of license producing various imported designs, is set to be by far the biggest beneficiary of the acquisition push.



Currently HAL is building engines under transfer of technology for all aircraft acquired from Russia in the recent past like the AL-31 FP for the India's Air force's Su 30MKI and the RD-33 MK for the Indian Navy's Mig 29K.



Further cementing its tier-1 status in the engine space in India, HAL has also been entering into key joint venture partnerships in this domain since the nineties. The most recent of these is International Aerospace Manufacturing Limited (IAML), a 50-50 joint venture between HAL and Rolls-Royce which inaugurated a Rs 135 crore production facility in Bangalore last year.



The unit, with a strength of about 100, incorporates Rolls Royce's newest manufacturing techniques for making aero-engine components and some 130 different compressor parts for the company's Trent family of civil aero engines, as well as for a number of other marine and energy gas turbines. IAML is starting with a vendor base of about 225 small and medium enterprises vendors and this is expected to rise quickly over the next decade.



The Bangalore facility is also likely to help Rolls Royce discharge offset obligations that will arise out of the supply of the IAF's Hawk advanced jet trainer's Adour Mk871 engine and the C-130J's Royce AE 2100D3 engines.


HAL's engine division has also been executing component orders for other American tier-I suppliers like Pratt & Whitney (P&W). P&W sources components for rotating and static engines from HAL Koraput and could ride this existing agreement for discharging any offset obligations arising out of the supply of F117-PW-100 engines as a part of the Boeing C-17 purchase by the IAF.

GE may look to do the same for its own extant offset obligations given that it is now the beneficiary of a 558 million dollar contract for supplying 99 F414-INS6 engines to power the LCA Mk-2.



The contract also has the option for another 100 engines in the future. HAL and GE have an evolving relationship in the components space since 2009 and it would be interesting to see if the F414 like the Adour Mk 811 for the Hawk is produced in India. In any case GE's technology transfer proposition made under the offset obligations for the contract will also be interesting to see.

 

[he-man]

A lot of the delays in the development of the Kaveri project and its subsequent dumping can also be attributed to the fact that India's industrial base has only now come up to speed to provide the necessary components for prototyping complex devices like modern low bypass turbofans. This means that engine development can now be speeded up using domestic resources itself and this will naturally make foreign partners more amenable to offering better terms of trade.

In fact it is now time that India move quickly to set up a High Altitude Engine Test Facility at the earliest to reduce India's dependence on Russia's Glomov Flight Research Institute (GFRI) and expedite the process of development

Aero engine components that are likely to be sourced domestically can /may include casings, blisks, shafts, housings, stators, pump housing bushing, sleeves and sub-assays.

This would mean that there will be ample business for existing tier-2 and tier-3 players. The tier-3 segment in particular (theoretically any company which has some casting and forging capability and can build fasteners, bearings, wiring harness and machine structural sheet metal can become a tier-3 supplier) is likely to see a major influx of new companies.

For instance, Wipro Infrastructure Engineering has in place an agreement with Spanish company CESA (Compania Espanola de Sistemas Aeronauticos SA), a subsidiary of the global aerospace and defence corporation, EADS, for the manufacture of precision engineering components including hydraulics.


Ultimately however a lot of the business is likely to emanate from sub-contracts issued by India's only existing end to end company in the aerospace business - Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). HAL is also the only real Indian tier-1 player in the domain of aero-engines. And HAL, whose engine division has a long history of license producing various imported designs, is set to be by far the biggest beneficiary of the acquisition push.



Currently HAL is building engines under transfer of technology for all aircraft acquired from Russia in the recent past like the AL-31 FP for the India's Air force's Su 30MKI and the RD-33 MK for the Indian Navy's Mig 29K.



Further cementing its tier-1 status in the engine space in India, HAL has also been entering into key joint venture partnerships in this domain since the nineties. The most recent of these is International Aerospace Manufacturing Limited (IAML), a 50-50 joint venture between HAL and Rolls-Royce which inaugurated a Rs 135 crore production facility in Bangalore last year.



The unit, with a strength of about 100, incorporates Rolls Royce's newest manufacturing techniques for making aero-engine components and some 130 different compressor parts for the company's Trent family of civil aero engines, as well as for a number of other marine and energy gas turbines. IAML is starting with a vendor base of about 225 small and medium enterprises vendors and this is expected to rise quickly over the next decade.



The Bangalore facility is also likely to help Rolls Royce discharge offset obligations that will arise out of the supply of the IAF's Hawk advanced jet trainer's Adour Mk871 engine and the C-130J's Royce AE 2100D3 engines.


HAL's engine division has also been executing component orders for other American tier-I suppliers like Pratt & Whitney (P&W). P&W sources components for rotating and static engines from HAL Koraput and could ride this existing agreement for discharging any offset obligations arising out of the supply of F117-PW-100 engines as a part of the Boeing C-17 purchase by the IAF.

GE may look to do the same for its own extant offset obligations given that it is now the beneficiary of a 558 million dollar contract for supplying 99 F414-INS6 engines to power the LCA Mk-2.



The contract also has the option for another 100 engines in the future. HAL and GE have an evolving relationship in the components space since 2009 and it would be interesting to see if the F414 like the Adour Mk 811 for the Hawk is produced in India. In any case GE's technology transfer proposition made under the offset obligations for the contract will also be interesting to see.

Its not as simple

1)If we enter into a jv we will never be able to get the ip rights as no major manufacturer will share the known technologies with us.

2)We need to pump in billions which we will not be doing as expecting anything sensible in this country is foolhardy

3)Till wages increase or top talent is recruited we will develop zilch

 

[Luca1]

Jabari should be converted to a train, boat or xxxx engine.

 

[he-man]

Jabari should be converted to a train, boat or xxxx engine.

I believe we already have lot of xxx engines
As for jabri,,its kaveri

 

[sathya]

Jabari should be converted to a train, boat or xxxx engine.