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Italy delivering surplus self-propelled howitzers to Pakistan Army

M109L variant en route Pakistan in 2017. PA may end up buying the entire Italian inventory. Leonardo will also offer the 52 cal. upgrade.

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If they have life then 155/52 upgrade will boost PA SP capabilities allow greater range, hope we can use 100km Chinese PGM or similar on those.

Pakistan has basically without spending too much made a huge impact by acquiring these guns. These guns are capable of massive upgrades and they won't need a long time for induction because infrastructure already exists.

Good counter of K-9s firepower if upgraded to 155/52 level.
 
Wonder what condition the APCs are in and if they would make a good buy. Would really help restore the balance as India developed a massive imbalance vis-a-vis Pakistan on APCs and assorted armored vehicles.
VCC M-113 was provided by Italy to PA.
 
On 26 January 2019, Pakistan Army received a batch of 31x M109L SPH's. With the latest deliveries, the total number of M109L's delivered so far reached 122.


Pakistan Army M109 inventory:

152x M109A2

115x M109A5

122x M109L (more deliveries expected)

Total: 389


Possible distribution:

M109A2:
3 + 3 regiments in 2x Armd. Div. Arty brigades (18 x 6 = 108)
1 + 1 regiments in 2x IABG incl. 19 IABG (18 x 2 = 36)

M109A5:
3 + 3 regiments in 2x Mech. Div. Arty brigades (18 x 6 = 108)

M109L:
1 + 1 + 1 regiments in 3x IABG (18 x 3 = 54)

It is unclear how the remaining pcs will be distributed, but allocation of 1x battery (6 SPH) per Infantry Division armoured regiment is plausible.

@Path-Finder @HRK @Signalian @Starlord @CriticalThought @waz
The IABG's and IMBG's should be covered by M-109L.

pull. more pull.
I think the Saad Variant Viper could be a prospective IFV with the pull you desire
 
The IABG's and IMBG's should be covered by M-109L.

If all Italian M109L's are acquired, not only IABG/IMBG's but Infantry Division armoured regiments & Artillery Divisions can be equipped as well:

M109L:

1 + 1 + 1 regiments in 3x IABG (18 x 3 = 54)

1 + 1 regiments in 2x IABG under raising/planned (18 x 2 = 36)

1 battery each for 17x Infantry Division armoured regiments excl. 12 ID, FCNA & 34 LID (6 x 17 = 102)

2 Artillery Division (I Corps)

1x SP Heavy Regiment with M110A2 (exists?)

2x SP Medium Regiments with M109L (18 x 2 = 36)

21 Artillery Division (V Corps)

1x SP Heavy Regiment with M110A2 (confirmed)

2x SP Medium Regiments with M109L (18 x 2 = 36)

Total = 264














Leonardo testing upgraded M109L SP artillery system

Christopher F Foss, London - Jane's International Defence Review
29 January 2019

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An upgraded Italian M109L from the rear fitted with the Leonardo 155 mm/52 calibre ordnance partly elevated, and with spades either side of the hull in raised position. Source: Leonardo

Italy's Leonardo Defence Systems has developed and tested an upgrade package, aimed at the export market, for the M109L 155 mm self-propelled (SP) artillery system.

The standard M109L is fitted with an Italian-built 155 mm/39 calibre ordnance that is the equivalent to that fitted to the 155 mm FH-70 towed artillery system still deployed by the Italian Army.

The latest upgraded M109L has a 23 litre chamber and meets the Joint Ballistic Memorandum of Understanding (JBMOU). It is also fitted with a fume extractor and a new pepper box muzzle brake.

The recoil system and equilibrators were modified to take into account the increased recoil and weight of the 155 mm/52 calibre ordnance. The breech mechanism is of the screw type, and a flick rammer is fitted with an adaption on the stroke of the rammer to fit with the longer chamber.

Maximum range depends on the projectile and charge combination, but firing a standard 155 mm M15A2 high-explosive (HE) projectile a maximum range of 30 km can be achieved, or an extended range ammunition could reach 40 km, according to Leonardo.

The most significant range improvement would be firing the latest Leonardo Volcano 155 mm Ballistic Extended Range (BER) artillery projectile, which was type classified by the Italian Army and is ready for quantity production as soon as orders are placed.

Volcano features a sub-calibre fin-stabilised airframe that is loaded with an Insensitive Munition (IM)-compliant HE with patented tungsten rings. This is fitted with a nose-mounted multifunction fuze that can be set for altitude, impact/delayed, time, or self-destruct functions. This airframe has sabots that fall away after firing, and the 16 kg fin-stabilised projectile is 90 mm in diameter.

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Pakistan is the only major foreign recipient. :D
 
Actually no, Pakistan SPH fleet is far more superior to anything India has, if you try to research how many SPH's Indian Army has, the number would make you roll on the floor laughing.

Cuz IA is not interested in SPH, unlike PA which will be defending against IA's rapid deployment. That's why we won't buy more than 150, before cold start the requirements was of 500.
 
Cuz IA is not interested in SPH, unlike PA which will be defending against IA's rapid deployment. That's why we won't buy more than 150, before cold start the requirements was of 500.
why?, SPH is very good offensive weapon as well?

infact i always thought it was more an offensive weapon given better mobility than towed art

indian lack of art update since 1990 is simply due to lack of funds, red tape and corruption scandel
 
If all Italian M109L's are acquired, not only IABG/IMBG's but Infantry Division armoured regiments & Artillery Divisions can be equipped as well:

M109L:

1 + 1 + 1 regiments in 3x IABG (18 x 3 = 54)

1 + 1 regiments in 2x IABG under raising/planned (18 x 2 = 36)

1 battery each for 17x Infantry Division armoured regiments excl. 12 ID, FCNA & 34 LID (6 x 17 = 102)

2 Artillery Division (I Corps)

1x SP Heavy Regiment with M110A2 (exists?)

2x SP Medium Regiments with M109L (18 x 2 = 36)

21 Artillery Division (V Corps)

1x SP Heavy Regiment with M110A2 (confirmed)

2x SP Medium Regiments with M109L (18 x 2 = 36)

Total = 264














Leonardo testing upgraded M109L SP artillery system

Christopher F Foss, London - Jane's International Defence Review
29 January 2019

p1736530_main.jpg

An upgraded Italian M109L from the rear fitted with the Leonardo 155 mm/52 calibre ordnance partly elevated, and with spades either side of the hull in raised position. Source: Leonardo

Italy's Leonardo Defence Systems has developed and tested an upgrade package, aimed at the export market, for the M109L 155 mm self-propelled (SP) artillery system.

The standard M109L is fitted with an Italian-built 155 mm/39 calibre ordnance that is the equivalent to that fitted to the 155 mm FH-70 towed artillery system still deployed by the Italian Army.

The latest upgraded M109L has a 23 litre chamber and meets the Joint Ballistic Memorandum of Understanding (JBMOU). It is also fitted with a fume extractor and a new pepper box muzzle brake.

The recoil system and equilibrators were modified to take into account the increased recoil and weight of the 155 mm/52 calibre ordnance. The breech mechanism is of the screw type, and a flick rammer is fitted with an adaption on the stroke of the rammer to fit with the longer chamber.

Maximum range depends on the projectile and charge combination, but firing a standard 155 mm M15A2 high-explosive (HE) projectile a maximum range of 30 km can be achieved, or an extended range ammunition could reach 40 km, according to Leonardo.

The most significant range improvement would be firing the latest Leonardo Volcano 155 mm Ballistic Extended Range (BER) artillery projectile, which was type classified by the Italian Army and is ready for quantity production as soon as orders are placed.

Volcano features a sub-calibre fin-stabilised airframe that is loaded with an Insensitive Munition (IM)-compliant HE with patented tungsten rings. This is fitted with a nose-mounted multifunction fuze that can be set for altitude, impact/delayed, time, or self-destruct functions. This airframe has sabots that fall away after firing, and the 16 kg fin-stabilised projectile is 90 mm in diameter.

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Leonardo testing upgraded M109L SP artillery system | Jane's International Defence Review


Pakistan is the only major foreign recipient. :D

Is Pakistan interested in Vulcano?
 
Pakistan has basically without spending too much made a huge impact by acquiring these guns. These guns are capable of massive upgrades and they won't need a long time for induction because infrastructure already exists.
How many are we acquiring ???
 
why?, SPH is very good offensive weapon as well?

infact i always thought it was more an offensive weapon given better mobility than towed art

indian lack of art update since 1990 is simply due to lack of funds, red tape and corruption scandel

IA requirement can be fulfilled with tanks and truck MGS, so 100-150 tracked SPH is enough. Nowadays even towed artillery have very long ranges like ATAGS. PA doesn't have such capability. One should ask how these SPG will be used on cuz mountain, semi-desert terrains.
 
PA has evaluated some foreign offerings which includes this HE ERFB-BB ammo from a Slovakian company. Don't know about Vulcano.

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https://www.msm.sk/en/msm-group/zvs/ammunition/medium-and-big-caliber-ammunition/155-mm-ammunition/



You can say PA wants to buy as many Italy can sell.
Could you clear my confusion on this picture. We all know that 21st Arty Div is HQed in Malakand, but this M110 SPH seems to belong to the Div, even though it's a useless asset in that terrain. Is the whole division deployed in Malakand or only a brigade or so? And the rest elsewhere?
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Cuz IA is not interested in SPH, unlike PA which will be defending against IA's rapid deployment. That's why we won't buy more than 150, before cold start the requirements was of 500.

SPH is core to any strike force and if IA is neglecting it then they may pay heavy price for it in any future war.
 
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