Italian marines' case: NATO warns India

[Water Car Engineer]

I disagree mate. Jokes aside, everyone knows that it'll not drag an international crisis huge enough for a conflict at seas.

Due to the current diplomatic unrest between India and US. US will also give strong support to Italy. After weeks, you'll make an agreement. And pack those two Italians to their homeland.



I strongly disagree mate. But then there'd be a troll war at this thread. Which's about the begin. So no comment.

Listen, if that judgement is given, there is absolutely nothing US or anyone else can do about it. India tested a nuclear bomb decade+ ago, and those sanctions failed, what are they going to do for two prisoners? --- Nothing much.


Business will go on, and they'll make friends in Tihar.

 

[Abingdonboy]

But Italy won't allow a trial in India. We know well what will happen to them India.

There's nothing they can do about it, they are in India (Italy having to submit to India's request to return the Marines to India after reneging on a deal and initially refusing to send them back to India). Why shouldn't they be tried in the nation whose crimes they broke? This is the international norm for such things.

What will happen in India exactly?

They can be charged in Italy with India's observation.

Unacceptable, few nations would accept this.

And the highest court in India has stated this:

India has jurisdiction to try Italian marines for fishermen deaths - court| Reuters

As Rasmussen said, it'll hurt counter-piracy efforts. That was not a statement. It was a message. That NATO will not escort Indian flagged ships nor respond to their calls in areas of operations Ocean Shield and Active Endavior. Suspended co-operation and that one which I like most probably harrasment and trolling at sea by allied surface combatants

Don't make me laugh. NATO aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot and neither are the individual nations that make up NATO- they all value their bilateral relationships with India more than taking any stand on this case. You think they'll throw away billions in potential govt-govt deals and trade over this? They won't suspend co-operation either- the US isn't going to be dictated to by the Italians/Europeans, they won't let US-Indo ties/co-operation be affected over the Marines' trail, not now that its ties are already strained and it needs India for its "Asian-pivot". Without the US backing it NATO won't do a darn thing against India.

 

[vicky sen]

They have committed now crime. And we see them as hero in italy. After all india is not a democracy and a backwarded stoneage dictatorship.

I have read some of your posts in another thread. I do not find you worthy of being replied to any further.

Have a good day!

 

[Neptune]

Listen, if that judgement is given, there is absolutely nothing US or anyone else can do about it. India tested a nuclear bomb decade+ ago, and those sanctions failed, what are they going to do for two prisoners? --- Nothing much.

I didn't mean that. But since now, it's more than about two sailors, for both Italy and India. No matter who was right or wrong. It turned into a diplomatic conflict. That's why Italian politicians are making such statements and demand support from NATO, EU. Everyone knows that normally Italian politicians whom are giving taxes to mobs, spend rest of their money to model girls, would not give a crap about two compatriots stucked at a foreign land.

 

[vicky sen]

which moron in india came up with charging them on anti piracy laws?

As I said before and the example I have given several times. these guys if were indian and had committed such crime would have got off with a tops 5-6 years term. This is a clear case of unintentional manslaughter, a mistake gone horribly wrong.

example: you are a guard at a post, known for cars laden with bombs and suicide attacks. Several of the people have been attacked in this manner.

An approaching car is seen, they disregard signs posted , gestures made and continue towards you. You shoot the car up and discover it was family that did not understand your warnings and full of innocent people... do you get charged with intentional murder?

They mistook them to be pirates....

This should give u some idea.


Vice-Admiral K.N. Sushil, Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief of the Southern Naval Command and Commander-in-Chief (Coastal Defence) of the Southern Zone, opined that the crew and armed guards of Enrica Lexie had failed to fully implement IMO circular MSC.1/Circ.1334 (23 June 2009) and procedures issued through IMO BMP4 while transiting high risk areas :

"If they thought they were being chased by a pirate vessel, they should have carried out evasive manoeuvres to alter the course of the ship, as enunciated by the guidelines. If the skiff was still after them, they would've fired a few warning shots well above the bow of the pirate vessel to deter it. Unfortunately, they do not seem to have done any of this. The Italians are claiming that this was a successful anti-piracy operation, but it is crystal clear that the fishermen were unarmed and were not attempting to come alongside the tanker to board it. As the tanker crew claims to have been fired upon, I sent INS Kabra to ascertain if there were bullet marks on it. It went around the ship to find that there was none. I've also asked my men to verify the tanker's logbook to account for the number of rounds fired by the guards. This is to see if they had fired any warning shot at all. What are you talking about the fishing vessel giving you a chase when the maximum speed it can attain is just about eight knots?"

 

[timetravel]

put those sensitive Italians in jail for 20 years. they think their life is more precious then those of the poor fishermen.

give them a good lesson. better still give them life imprisonment as they being marines have even more responsibility to protect life of innocent people.

 

[vicky sen]

Listen, if that judgement is given, there is absolutely nothing US or anyone else can do about it. India tested a nuclear bomb decade+ ago, and those sanctions failed, what are they going to do for two prisoners? --- Nothing much.


Business will go on, and they'll make friends in Tihar.

They wont be in Tihar.
They will serve their terms in Italy after sentencing.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

They wont be in Tihar.
They will serve their terms in Italy after sentencing.

Change that, they should serve in India.

 

[jaunty]

I disagree mate. Jokes aside, everyone knows that it'll not drag an international crisis huge enough for a conflict at seas.

Due to the current diplomatic unrest between India and US. US will also give strong support to Italy. After weeks, you'll make an agreement. And pack those two Italians to their homeland.

The govt of India has no control over the Supreme Court, it works completely independently. The best GoI can do is to charge the marines with lesser charges. After that the decision of the SC would be final. They are already in India for two years. What makes you think that they would be freed in a few weeks. After (If) they are sentenced they may be allowed to leave India to serve their term in Italy provided Italy agrees to consider the SC verdict as final and binding.

 

[vicky sen]

Change that, they should serve in India.

We entered into a pact with them in 2012.

 

[bandit]

As Rasmussen said, it'll hurt counter-piracy efforts. That was not a statement. It was a message. That NATO will not escort Indian flagged ships nor respond to their calls in areas of operations Ocean Shield and Active Endavior. Suspended co-operation and that one which I like most probably harrasment and trolling at sea by allied surface combatants

You seriously think any NATO member would try to do that to any Indian ship in Indian ocean?

Your dear allied nations wouldn't touch indian vessels for two italian criminals.

You can send turkish vessels though, we can take a few tips from the israelis and make mavi marmara look like a joke to the turks.

 

[bolo]

then suddenly you might see India-China defence tie then NATO screwed

No. Nothing to do with China. This is india-italy spat. Strong power india need to deal with it. You can't come crying to China every time you provoke another nation, than diss China with your media at the same time.

 

[vicky sen]

No. Nothing to do with China. This is india-italy spat. Strong power india need to deal with it. You can't come crying to China every time you provoke another nation, than diss China with your media at the same time.

No one is going crying to China. Stop imagining things.

You seriously think any NATO member would try to do that to any Indian ship in Indian ocean?

Your dear allied nations wouldn't touch indian vessels for two italian criminals.

You can send turkish vessels though, we can take a few tips from the israelis and make mavi marmara look like a joke to the turks.

India also undertake anti- piracy missions.

 

[atatwolf]

Those Italians should be careful letting their soap fall in the prison shower in India. They might get some unwanted love which is common there.

 

[EAK]

India should trial them in India.... and shud punish such inhumane creatures...