It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war: Australian journalist Neville Maxwell

[Developereo]

But this fact was reported by Australia.

Obviously they want to keep China busy with India.

I think it does the opposite -- it smooths the way for India-China relations.

It puts China in the right, and it is China which has been reaching out to India. India keeps rebuffing China's overtures by playing the aggrieved party and citing past mistrust. This report makes it harder for India to continue using that excuse.

 

[Kompromat]

@Aeronaut, @Developereo, as we've said all along... it was India who started this war.

Though no doubt this internal Army report will remain "classified", because it directly contradicts the Indian narrative of a "poor defenceless Nehru who was back stabbed by the evil Chinese".

In truth, and as the facts show, it was the Chinese side who offered more than our fair share of concessions. Some might even have called Zhou Enlai's offers of a territorial swap to be treasonous, but these overly-generous offers were nevertheless rejected by Nehru, who refused to do any sort of compromise.

In fact, we even took good care of the Indian prisoners we captured, we fed them plenty of food and even polished their rifles, despite China at that time not having enough food for our own people, being in the middle of the worst famine in our history (the Great leap forward).

We were the ones calling for an end to the war, eventually having to declare a unilateral ceasefire, and we voluntarily moved back to our previous positions despite an overwhelming victory in the field.

I am one of the biggest critics of the early years of the PRC governance, but in this issue we had no choice but to respond to the war that Nehru imposed on us.

One day Indians would have to wake up an accept historic facts that their govt has hidden from them. Indian citizen has been lied to that they are a 'living embodiment of Gandhi' and have never commited aggression.

As the time goes by and Indian textbook lies break down one by one, Indians would have to face the 'real' history of their aggression towards its neighbors.

* The myth of 'Tribal invasion' it fabricated to invade the Muslim land of Kashir.

* The 1948 'Police action' in the state of Hyderabad resuling in the butchery of tens of thousands of Muslims followed by 'unification' with India.

* Lal Bahadur Shashtri's annexation of Kashmir in 1964 which was a declaration of war finally leading to war in 1965.

* Oxford scholar Sharmila Bose debunked Indian lies about the war of 1971. India had been training the insurgents and creating chaos for over a decade before the war took place. India presents itself as a 'saviour' of Bangladesh now. The fact is that it invaded its neighbor during a domestic conflict.

* Indians would also need to admit that they burned Sri Lanks for 20 years, hoping to see it collapse and 'join mother India'.

* The truth about the Indian aggression against China has also come out in a big way.

Once a concerned Indian citizen is ready to face the truth it would understand the reason why India's neighbors 'love' it so much.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

One day Indians would have to wake up an accept historic facts that their govt has hidden from them. Indian citizen has been lied to that they are a 'living embodiment of Gandhi' and have never commited aggression.

As the time goes by and Indian textbook lies break down one by one, Indians would have to face the 'real' history of their aggression towards its neighbors.

* The myth of 'Tribal invasion' it fabricated to invade the Muslim land of Kashir.

* The 1948 'Police action' in the state of Hyderabad resuling in the butchery of tens of thousands of Muslims followed by 'unification' with India.

* Lal Bahadur Shashtri's annexation of Kashmir in 1964 which was a declaration of war finally leading to war in 1965.

* Oxford scholar Sharmila Bose debunked Indian lies about the war of 1971. India had been training the insurgents and creating chaos for over a decade before the war took place. India presents itself as a 'saviour' of Bangladesh now. The fact is that it invaded its neighbor during a domestic conflict.

* Indians would also need to admit that they burned Sri Lanks for 20 years, hoping to see it collapse and 'join mother India'.

* The truth about the Indian aggression against China has also come out in a big way.

Once a concerned Indian citizen is ready to face the truth it would understand the reason why India's neighbors 'love' it so much.

Thanks Aeronaut, that was very informative. I didn't even know about half of that stuff.

 

[Kompromat]

Thanks Aeronaut, that was very informative. I didn't even know about half of that stuff.

India's geopolitical clout should be enough to tell you their real history of aggression. Believe it or not Nehru considered Pakistan a 'breakaway' province during his tenure.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

India's geopolitical clout should be enough to tell you their real history of aggression. Believe it or not Nehru considered Pakistan a 'breakaway' province during his tenure.

In fact, there are quite a few Indian forum members here, who still share that opinion.

However, Pakistan's development of a nuclear weapons arsenal have put those dreams to bed forever.

That's why I have always advocated the expansion of ones own nuclear weapons arsenal, it is the ultimate guarantor of sovereignty, in a world of rogue superpowers.

 

[Kompromat]

In fact, there are quite a few Indian forum members here, who still share that opinion.

However, Pakistan's development of a nuclear weapons arsenal have put those dreams to bed forever.

That's why I have always advocated the expansion of ones own nuclear weapons arsenal, it is the ultimate guarantor of sovereignty, in a world of rogue superpowers.

Pakistanis won't be bullied. Our alliance will write history of this region, what we need to do is to bring Sri Lanka and Bangladesh into the fold in big way. China and Pakistan need to have naval bases in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh (after a friendly govt comes into power). They will only feel safe to stand with us when our subs prowl their waters and frigates dock on their harbors. We also need to provide area denial weapons to Sri Lanka and Bangladesh so they can hold out their own should 'someone' get irritated beyond fix.

 

[Srinivas]

Seems this reporter was woke up now ....

Indians clearly know that it is the forward policy that is main cause for 1962 debacle.

The problem is that the border between India and Tibet is not clearly marked.

Hell ..... Even Tibet is in occupation and from the Indian side IA attempted to take strategic points all along the India - Tibet border.

This is a right move since Chinese are encroaching Tibetan lands and India has to defend its own borders.

However the execution of this is flawed one.

One day Indians would have to wake up an accept historic facts that their govt has hidden from them. Indian citizen has been lied to that they are a 'living embodiment of Gandhi' and have never commited aggression.

As the time goes by and Indian textbook lies break down one by one, Indians would have to face the 'real' history of their aggression towards its neighbors.

* The myth of 'Tribal invasion' it fabricated to invade the Muslim land of Kashir.

* The 1948 'Police action' in the state of Hyderabad resuling in the butchery of tens of thousands of Muslims followed by 'unification' with India.

* Lal Bahadur Shashtri's annexation of Kashmir in 1964 which was a declaration of war finally leading to war in 1965.

* Oxford scholar Sharmila Bose debunked Indian lies about the war of 1971. India had been training the insurgents and creating chaos for over a decade before the war took place. India presents itself as a 'saviour' of Bangladesh now. The fact is that it invaded its neighbor during a domestic conflict.

* Indians would also need to admit that they burned Sri Lanks for 20 years, hoping to see it collapse and 'join mother India'.

* The truth about the Indian aggression against China has also come out in a big way.

Once a concerned Indian citizen is ready to face the truth it would understand the reason why India's neighbors 'love' it so much.

Simply untrue and there is a thread running on operation Gibraltar and operation grandslam.

Your brave general who spent 1 day in Indian lands is a live evidence for Kargil.


@Chinese lizard .....seems amused

 

[favabeans]

Seems this reporter was woke up now ..... or is it that Chinese Govt. is investing more in Australian mines??

Indians clearly know that it is the forward policy that is main cause for 1962 debacle.

The problem is that the border between India and Tibet is not clearly marked.

Hell ..... Even Tibet is in occupation and from the Indian side IA attempted to take strategic points all along the India - Tibet border.

This is a right move since Chinese are encroaching Tibetan lands and India has to defend its own borders.

However the execution of this is flawed one.




Simply untrue and there is a thread running on operation Gibraltar and operation grandslam.

Your brave general who spent 1 day in Indian lands is a live evidence for Kargil.


@Chinese lizard .....seems amused

Read the Henderson Brooks report. You can download it. It left no doubt that India started the war by setting up posts north of the McMahon Line and firing on Chinese positions.

 

[Srinivas]

Read the Henderson Brooks report. You can download it. It left no doubt that India started the war by setting up posts north of the McMahon Line and firing on Chinese positions.

Yes India did setup posts and Chinese objected to those posts ..... what is new in that. Indians already know this fact, it is even written in Wikepedia.

Tibet is an autonomous region and is under occupation......the border is not clearly marked as well.

This Einstein journalist has not written anything new.

India has its own cause regarding forward policy and concerns about Chinese advancement into Tibet and they are legitimate.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Seems this reporter was woke up now ..... or is it that Chinese Govt. is investing more in Australian mines??

Indians clearly know that it is the forward policy that is main cause for 1962 debacle.

The problem is that the border between India and Tibet is not clearly marked.

Hell ..... Even Tibet is in occupation and from the Indian side IA attempted to take strategic points all along the India - Tibet border.

This is a right move since Chinese are encroaching Tibetan lands and India has to defend its own borders.

However the execution of this is flawed one.




Simply untrue and there is a thread running on operation Gibraltar and operation grandslam.

Your brave general who spent 1 day in Indian lands is a live evidence for Kargil.


@Chinese lizard .....seems amused

So why did India accept that Tibet is a part of China?

Not a single country in the entire world considers Tibet to be disputed territory. Not a single country in the entire world.

Hell, even the Dalai Lama himself accepted that Tibet is a part of China.

But apparently you know more about Tibet, than the Dalai Lama and your own Government.

 

[Srinivas]

So why did India accept that Tibet is a part of China?

Not a single country in the entire world considers Tibet to be disputed territory. Not a single country in the entire world.

Hell, even the Dalai Lama himself agreed that Tibet is a part of China.

But apparently you know more about Tibet than the Dalai Lama and your own Government.

Dalailama is calling for the implementation of agreement between CCP and Tibet after its annexation .....

Dalailama is batting for autonomous Tibet.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Dalailama is calling for the implementation of agreement between CCP and Tibet after its annexation .....

Dalailama is batting for autonomous Tibet.

He says he wants more autonomy for Tibet, but accepts that Tibet is a part of China.

And with that, India's "political chips" that they gained by backstabbing us in 1959 have vanished.

 

[Srinivas]

He says he wants more autonomy for Tibet, but accepts that Tibet is a part of China.

And with that, India's "political chips" that they gained by backstabbing us in 1959 have vanished.

India never back stabbed China, Dalai Lama was welcomed with both hands because we believed what China did in Tibet with the unarmed monks is not legitimate thing.

We gave asylum to these peace seeking monks.

This is a volatile world ..... these politics always involve circus based on strength. The fact is Tibet and Xinjiang are two volatile regions under the grip of CCP ..... Just like China is changing its stance and policies as it is growing along with its arrogance ....... based on the changing geo politics and threats associated with it .... who knows what happens in the near future.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

India never back stabbed China, Dalai Lama was welcomed with both hands because we believed what China did in Tibet with the unarmed monks is not legitimate thing.

We gave asylum to these peace seeking monks.

This is a volatile world ..... these politics always involve circus based on strength. The fact is Tibet and Xinjiang are two volatile regions under the grip of CCP ..... Just like China is changing its stance and policies as it is growing along with its arrogance ....... based on the changing geo politics and threats associated with it .... who knows what happens in the near future.

You did back stab us, since you had already accepted Tibet as a part of China.

Why did you recognize Tibet as a part of China, and then back stab us over it?

 

[Srinivas]

You did back stab us, since you had already accepted Tibet as a part of China.

Why did you recognize Tibet as a part of China, and then back stab us over it?

India omitted the clause of "One china" never said Tibet is not an integral part of China.

What are Chinese doing in India's neighborhood??

Arming nations with nuclear war heads and stationing chinese military in disputed regions etc...etc ......

As if Chinese CCP is behaving properly with India

I do have a feeling that in the long term China and India will work together ...... but at the moment it is far safer if we grow with cautious attitude towards each other.