It is upto India, Pakistan to decide pace, scope of talks on Kashmir: U.S.

[Gregor Clegane]

India, Pakistan should decide pace, scope of talks on Kashmir: U.S.
Updated: August 16, 2016 13:29 IST | PTI

Refusing to be drawn into the war of words between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, the U.S. has said it is for the two countries to determine the pace, scope and character of any discussions on Kashmir.
“Our position on Kashmir has not changed. The pace, the scope, the character of any discussions on Kashmir is for the two sides to determine. We support any and all positive steps that India and Pakistan can take to forge closer relations,” State Department Spokesperson Elizabeth Trudeau said.
“We’re aware of the clashes. We remain concerned about the violence and we encourage to all sides to make efforts for finding a peaceful resolution,” Ms. Trudeau said at her daily news conference on Monday.
The State Department spokesperson, however, did not respond to questions on the remarks by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his Independence Day address on Monday.
“I wouldn’t speak to Mr. Modi’s comments, that would be for him to speak to,” Ms. Trudeau said.
Prime Minister Modi brought up Pakistani atrocities on people of Balochistan and Azad Kashmir in his Independence Day speech on Monday.
“From the ramparts of the Red Fort, I want to express my gratitude to some people —— the people of Balochistan, Gilgit and Pak—occupied Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) —— for the way they whole— heartedly thanked me, the way they expressed gratitude to me, the way they conveyed their goodwill to me recently,” Mr. Modi had said.
Responding to Mr. Modi’s remarks, Pakistan said his references to Balochistan and Azad Kashmir were an attempt to divert world attention from the “grim tragedy” that has been unfolding in Jammu and Kashmir.
India and Pakistan have been engaged in a war of words over Pakistan and its Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s statements on the situation in Kashmir which has been witnessing unrest following the killing of Hizbul Mujahideen commander Burhan Wani.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...ope-of-talks-on-kashmir-us/article8994358.ece

 

[Gregor Clegane]

Good to see that USA's official position matches India's

It is now widely acknowledged that bilateral dialogue, in accordance with the Simla Agreement, reiterated in the Lahore Declaration, is the only way to address all bilateral issues between India and Pakistan, including the issue of J&K.

India has always been willing to discuss all issues, including the issue of Jammu & Kashmir, with Pakistan. In fact, in the decades of the ‘50s and ‘60s, several rounds of bilateral discussions took place between India and Pakistan over 1950-51, 1953-54, 1956-57 and 1962-63, to resolve the differences over Kashmir. J&K is also one of the eight subjects identified for dialogue under the Composite Dialogue set up at India's initiative in 1998. A perusal of the records of these meetings makes it clear that they failed in their endeavour only because of Pakistan's intransigent, unrealistic, and on occasions, unifocal approach, which did not take into account either the moral and juridical aspects of the issue or the existing realities.

India’s stand has been clearly enunciated. Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India. While India is prepared to resolve all differences with Pakistan through bilateral talks as envisaged in the Simla Agreement, there can be no compromise on India’s unity and sovereignty. The issue that remains to be resolved is the vacation by Pakistan of territory illegally occupied by it.
23. For meaningful bilateral negotiations, Pakistan must create the right climate by stopping its support to terrorism. There must be tangible and credible evidence of this on the ground. The Simla Agreement reiterated in the Lahore Declaration expressly forbids hostile propaganda, interference in internal Affairs and encouragement of any acts detrimental to maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations. It also enjoins respect for each other’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. Pakistan is violating all these provisions.

http://mea.gov.in/in-focus-article.htm?18971/The+Jammu+and+Kashmir+Issue

Source: Official website of India's External Affairs ministry.

 

[Laozi]

Good to see that USA's official position matches India's

Don't be surprised if Chinese position also matches USA's official position

 

[shhh]

India, Pakistan should decide pace, scope of talks on Kashmir: U.S.
Updated: August 16, 2016 13:29 IST | PTI

Refusing to be drawn into the war of words between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, the U.S. has said it is for the two countries to determine the pace, scope and character of any discussions on Kashmir.
“Our position on Kashmir has not changed. The pace, the scope, the character of any discussions on Kashmir is for the two sides to determine. We support any and all positive steps that India and Pakistan can take to forge closer relations,” State Department Spokesperson Elizabeth Trudeau said.
“We’re aware of the clashes. We remain concerned about the violence and we encourage to all sides to make efforts for finding a peaceful resolution,” Ms. Trudeau said at her daily news conference on Monday.
The State Department spokesperson, however, did not respond to questions on the remarks by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his Independence Day address on Monday.
“I wouldn’t speak to Mr. Modi’s comments, that would be for him to speak to,” Ms. Trudeau said.
Prime Minister Modi brought up Pakistani atrocities on people of Balochistan and Azad Kashmir in his Independence Day speech on Monday.
“From the ramparts of the Red Fort, I want to express my gratitude to some people —— the people of Balochistan, Gilgit and Pak—occupied Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) —— for the way they whole— heartedly thanked me, the way they expressed gratitude to me, the way they conveyed their goodwill to me recently,” Mr. Modi had said.
Responding to Mr. Modi’s remarks, Pakistan said his references to Balochistan and Azad Kashmir were an attempt to divert world attention from the “grim tragedy” that has been unfolding in Jammu and Kashmir.
India and Pakistan have been engaged in a war of words over Pakistan and its Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s statements on the situation in Kashmir which has been witnessing unrest following the killing of Hizbul Mujahideen commander Burhan Wani.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...ope-of-talks-on-kashmir-us/article8994358.ece

USA showing India their place, "sort it out, kid".

Just like China

 

[DesiGuy1403]

USA showing India their place, "sort it out, kid".

Just like China

Is that what these countries did?
Ok then, we are not complaining

 

[shhh]

Is that what these countries did?
Ok then, we are not complaining

Yup, this is exactly what this country did.

They dont give a shit about you

 

[Sky lord]

USA showing India their place, "sort it out, kid".

Just like China

 

[shhh]

Mirror. It can make people laugh on themselves.

 

[Sliver]

I am sort of tired of saying this.. but here it is again.. as per the Simla Accord, the scope and the nature of issues between Pakistan and India are only within the purview of bilateral talks and no other third party can be involved. Unless of course both countries agree mutually to a specific third party.

And obviously, not many countries can be agreeable to both Pakistan and India at the same time.

What India wanted was for no third parties to intervene in the dispute. What Pakistan wanted was for UN/US/China to involve in the issue.

 

[Sky lord]

Yup, this is exactly what this country did.

They dont give a shit about you

Dude just think about it for two minutes....


Which country India or Pakistan wants international attention on Kashmir? and which country wants to keep it a bilateral issue?

And what did US just say?

Think about it , maybe read a news article and then look at your comment again!

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Yup, this is exactly what this country did.

They dont give a shit about you

They are giving you lot of shit though.
As usual, you are doing the usual thing with that shit. How long has it been? 70 years?

 

[shhh]

They are giving you lot of shit though.
As usual, you are doing the usual thing with that shit. How long has it been? 70 years?

Ask them what we did to them in Afghanistan .
Our score is higher.

Dude just think about it for two minutes....


Which country India or Pakistan wants international attention on Kashmir? and which country wants to keep it a bilateral issue?

And what did US just say?

Think about it , maybe read a news article and then look at your comment again!

Bro, India is raising Pak Kashmir and they wanted US help.

Read this again.

“We’re aware of the clashes. We remain concerned about the violence and we encourage to all sides to make efforts for finding a peaceful resolution,” Ms. Trudeau said at her daily news conference on Monday.
The State Department spokesperson, however, did not respond to questions on the remarks by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his Independence Day address on Monday.

Notice the bold part, Pakistan has always raised the violence issue and USA has admitted that they are concerned about the violence who is it pointed at? India or Pakistan?
Answer: Both. USA are known for their duplicity in diplomacy

And they said, We dont give a f*ck about Modi's remarks about Baluchistan and Azad Kashmir.
So he has limited it to Indian Kashmir.
Whose side is he on?
Answer: None.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Ask them what we did to them in Afghanistan .
Our score is higher.

You lost half of your country.
There is no other nation that has his flop track record except you. I can't imagine how one can even come in public and show their face after loosing half their nation....

 

[shhh]

You lost half of your country.
There is no other nation that has his flop track record except you. I can't imagine how one can even come in public and show their face after loosing half their nation....

You dont have anything better to say other than 71, do you?
Anyway, its you have is happy at his country splitting in two.
Pakistan has actually offered Baluchistan independence long before that event.
You just introduced violence in something that could be solved diplomatically.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Pakistan has actually offered Baluchistan independence long before that event.
You just introduced violence in something that could be solved diplomatically.

Like you have offered independence to Kashmir occupied by you?
I am sure you have some resolution passed or document signed by Pakistan that says they will provide independence to the Kashmir held by you?
I am waiting on you to show the resolution or document to me. Not the words, the signed document...