It has always been the gameplan of Bangladesh to grab Assam: LT Gen SK Sinha

[Khajur]

Why, Jako. It is more matured that Bangladesh and WB stay together as one country. India is newer product. Before that, WB and today's Bangladesh was one under Mughal rule. That is the older and most matured model.

In both Bengal together--Greater Bangladesh---we will speak the same State Language---our Mother Tongue, and you need not talk in hindi to express yourselves with severe inferiority complex. Our letterhead, documents, signboards, songs, dialouges---all in our tongue. Same name of flowers, foods, trees, and other elements of life.

How long lead a life of an expatriate in your own land ? Where is the dignity of an independent life if I can not express myself 24 hours in the language that my mother taught me ?

Look our national airlines bear a Bangla name "Biman" written in Bangla served by crews who speak plain bengali, serves original bengali dishes, all forms & docs are in bengali, newspapers in bengali, address and announcement in bengali, songs & entertainment in bengali, crews dresses are bengali---touching around 40 cities of the world.

On the other hand, you being a bengali can not show your identity as such to the world. You have to speak in other tongues to tell your mother's tongue is yet different.

Is not it better to live like a free lion in your own turf than like a shackled dog in other people's city dwelling ?

You have a bondage with me by way of common mother tongue, food, agriculture, landscape, seasons, songs & musics, literature, arts & non-religious cultures, letters & symbols, grammar & words, and many other issues. In secular India--as you claim--what is your bondage with a Sikh or Tamil who even do not understand each other's tale of sorrow or happiness if expressed in own language ? Pls reply honestly.

Yet you are shaky to accept Greater Bangladesh, how you dream of a Greater India ? We are entitled, if we wish, to courageously dream of Greater Bangladesh, then Greater Bangladesh with 7 sisters, then Greater India including Pakistan = true All India. Why ? Because we bought freedom at the price of blood & anguish. We are INDEPENDENT having IDENTITY OF OUR OWN--whatever it is. Remember : My mother---drunk or sober, My country rich or poor.......

Sweet bangla unity talk...lets come to action on the ground & reality!

Hindus form 9.2% of the population in Bangladesh.
Since the rise of more explicitly Islamist political formations in Bangladesh during the 1990s, many Hindus have been intimidated or attacked, and fairly substantial numbers are leaving the country .

In 1941 the Hindus formed about 28% of the population, which declined to 22.05% in 1951. Since then, it has dropped by about half. Through a combination of mass exodus and genocide in the 1971 Bangladesh atrocities by the Pakistan Army during the Bangladesh Liberation War, this represents a loss of around 20 million Bangladeshi Hindus and their direct heirs, and reflects one of the largest displacements of population based on ethnic or religious identity in recent history. A significant driver of Hindu emigration has been the Enemy Property Act, later renamed as the Vested Property Act, through which the Bangladesh Government has been able to appropriate the property of around 40% of the existing Bangladeshi Hindu population (according to Dr Abul Barkat of Dhaka University).

 

[Jako]

Sweet bangla unity talk...lets come to action on the ground & reality!

Hindus form 9.2% of the population in Bangladesh.
Since the rise of more explicitly Islamist political formations in Bangladesh during the 1990s, many Hindus have been intimidated or attacked, and fairly substantial numbers are leaving the country .

In 1941 the Hindus formed about 28% of the population, which declined to 22.05% in 1951. Since then, it has dropped by about half. Through a combination of mass exodus and genocide in the 1971 Bangladesh atrocities by the Pakistan Army during the Bangladesh Liberation War, this represents a loss of around 20 million Bangladeshi Hindus and their direct heirs, and reflects one of the largest displacements of population based on ethnic or religious identity in recent history. A significant driver of Hindu emigration has been the Enemy Property Act, later renamed as the Vested Property Act, through which the Bangladesh Government has been able to appropriate the property of around 40% of the existing Bangladeshi Hindu population (according to Dr Abul Barkat of Dhaka University).

still in india,wb is da most secular state,and bd in recent times has emerged as a major secular state in south asia........

 

[Khajur]

still in india,wb is da most secular state,and bd in recent times has emerged as a major secular state in south asia........

Well if immigration countinous in WB from Bangladesh ,then soon it'll become islamic state of WB instead.

And coming to secular nature of BD,let me ask u why hindu bengali population of Bangladesh have been reduced from 13.5% in yr 1974 after the creation of Bangladesh to 9.2% in 2001??

why this exodous of hindus from BD in this muslim but as u call a more secular state??

Ironically the nos of illegal immigrant muslim bangladeshi are growing exponentially in hindu majority states like WB and Assam with each passing day.So much so that the demography of those two states are going to be completely altered in near term future.

No wonder these banladeshis are starting claim not just WB and Assam ,but all seven states as part of greater Bangladesh.

My practical advide to Bangladeshi friends out here stop to day dreaming of greater Bangladesh and think about some measures for family planning & population control.

 

[Jako]

Illegal insurgents causes a major threat to india and diz occurs with da help of both indian and bd dalals.........claim of indian states is laughable......but you do not see dat much hindu-muslim riots in bd this days.......also in wb you do not see any gujrat riot.........i do not see any problems in wb being a islam major state,as long as they r loyal to india and not converted by force...thnx

 

[Khajur]

Illegal insurgents causes a major threat to india and diz occurs with da help of both indian and bd dalals.........claim of indian states is laughable......but you do not see dat much hindu-muslim in bd this days.......also in wb you do not see any gujrat riot.........i do not see any problems in wb being a islam major state,as long as they r loyal to india and not converted by force...thnx

They became first become east pakistan and later on Bangladesh because of the muslim majority nature of those places.

just look whats going on in kashmir valley ,indians only muslim majority state.

Muslim majority & still being part of india is an oxymoron.
Any one who thinks otherwise is a dumbfool or a politician.

 

[Jako]

I am none of wat you mentioned.........wat is your problem wit muslims as long as they are loyal to india?? Now dont say there are no muslims loyal to india.......regards

 

[Khajur]

I am none of wat you mentioned.........wat is your problem wit muslims as long as they are loyal to india?? Now dont say there are no muslims loyal to india.......regards

Individual muslim is loyal to india,but i doubt they would remain loyal if they start to constitute more than 60% of the population.There'll always be tendency to follow islamic way of life rather than staying in a secular albeit hindu dominated country .

If history is anyting to go by,it echos my views.

 

[Jako]

They became first become east pakistan and later on Bangladesh because of the muslim majority nature of those places.

just look whats going on in kashmir valley ,indians only muslim majority state.

Muslim majority & still being part of india is an oxymoron.
Any one who thinks otherwise is a dumbfool or a politician.

dats why they r kashmiris and we r called bengalis........jus let it go,you'll never understand the secular bengali mentality.......

 

[Jako]

Individual muslim is loyal to india,but i doubt they would remain loyal if they start to constitute more than 60% of the population.There'll always be tendency to follow islamic way of life rather than staying in a secular albeit hindu dominated country .

If history is anyting to go by,it echos my views.

answer is in my previous post.

 

[Khajur]

dats why they r kashmiris and we r called bengalis........jus let it go,you'll never understand the secular bengali mentality.......

I may not understand secular bengali mentality...on the other hand i surely have read about the riots & communal clashes between hindu & muslim bengalis during partition days.

Similar gruesome atrocities & massacre commited on hindus during liberation war in 71.

Rapidly dwindiling population of hindus over the yrs in Bangladesh also an indiacation of socalled secular bengali mentality remain largely confined to the indian Bengal side.

 

[Jako]

Sir,i am talking about recent history..like...from da 80s......compare wb with da rest of da indian states and u r gonna find it quiet contradictary.........also communal people people like u will surely be amazed by seeing da extent of good relations betwn da indian and bangladeshi bengalis inspite of a bloody history.......bengalis wdnt do anything like what, some kashmiris, are doing in name of religion.......nor wd they give up their brotherly relations with bd people........thnx

 

[TopCat]

hey dude it's the other way around.Look at the map and see who is bigger and has the greater power.India like I said many times has to make some initiatives first.

India will never open up as they take Bengali mingling with suspicion. We are yet to arrange Football matches between two Bengals as Central govt's reluctance on this issue. India is a Big country but not Bengalis in India, so Its BD's responsibility to open up more to the Bengalis living in India.

 

[TopCat]

I may not understand secular bengali mentality...on the other hand i surely have read about the riots & communal clashes between hindu & muslim bengalis during partition days.

Similar gruesome atrocities & massacre commited on hindus during liberation war in 71.

Rapidly dwindiling population of hindus over the yrs in Bangladesh also an indiacation of socalled secular bengali mentality remain largely confined to the indian Bengal side.

Bengalis lived for 1000s of years with communal harmony, first between Hindus and Buddist second Hindus and Muslims. We lived together, faught together prospered together as Bengalis. It is the recent history when society contaminated by the influence of Greater Indian communal sentiment, which you are trying to promote here.

 

[Straight]

I may not understand secular bengali mentality...on the other hand i surely have read about the riots & communal clashes between hindu & muslim bengalis during partition days.

Similar gruesome atrocities & massacre commited on hindus during liberation war in 71.

Rapidly dwindiling population of hindus over the yrs in Bangladesh also an indiacation of socalled secular bengali mentality remain largely confined to the indian Bengal side.

......If you may trust, Jako is right about the relationship among Bengali-speaking people which is humane---irrespective of religion---in the light of the state of affairs in Bangladesh.

Your point regarding dwindling % is thought-provoking. I, too, can not deny few incidences of past atrocities on Hindus in the name of Islam by Muslims--
which was against the principle of Islam itself, and therefore deplorable. But, there had been no such case within last 25 years in my area---I can vouch for that. If such an event even goes to ensue, minimum 100 (religious) Muslims will come forward to prevent it at the peril of their own lives.

Before that also the relationship was cordial despite sporadic incidences. Some migration of Hindus were due to that---I can not deny either. But, most migrations as well were caused by misunderstanding as the result of propaganda or false hope of golden life that Hindu India offered. Or maybe other reasons.

Most of my beloved teachers were Hindus but I am proud of them and of their affection towards us. Before my SSC exam, I had pox---a vicious disease of those times. Even own relatives used to give you a wide birth---lest they are inflicted. My Hindu teacher came to see me, and encouraged me. Why not shall I stand against death for him should he / his family / his properties were attacked by a rioter ?

Yet, one day he left for India---allegedly persuaded by his son who thought life will be golden in WB. Later we knew that my teacher died with broken heart that this migration was in vain, and he missed all that were his world and the respect he commanded back at home.

One of my senior brothers became Secretary of Bangladesh Govt. He went to Kolkata on an official trip. His counterparts back in WB asked whether he wishes to visit any place. A chauffeured car is ready. He produced an address some 60 miles away from Kolkata where his school teacher is known to live. He and his wife bought some gifts including kitchen provisions required to cook a day’s meals. His wife wanted to cook, and feed the boy-hood teacher and his family.

They found the teacher and his wife in a small house of 2 rooms---all children grown up and married & working away in other far places. “Sir, it is that small plant you nursed in years so & so. I came so that you can now have a look at the tree”---Secretary told. All 4 of them wept together for sometime. Then he asked : “Sir, how really are you ?” The teacher replied with tears in his eyes: “A guest is a guest is a guest”.

I decline to elaborate.

 

[Jako]

......If you may trust, Jako is right about the relationship among Bengali-speaking people which is humane---irrespective of religion---in the light of the state of affairs in Bangladesh.

Your point regarding dwindling % is thought-provoking. I, too, can not deny few incidences of past atrocities on Hindus in the name of Islam by Muslims--
which was against the principle of Islam itself, and therefore deplorable. But, there had been no such case within last 25 years in my area---I can vouch for that. If such an event even goes to ensue, minimum 100 (religious) Muslims will come forward to prevent it at the peril of their own lives.

Before that also the relationship was cordial despite sporadic incidences. Some migration of Hindus were due to that---I can not deny either. But, most migrations as well were caused by misunderstanding as the result of propaganda or false hope of golden life that Hindu India offered. Or maybe other reasons.

Most of my beloved teachers were Hindus but I am proud of them and of their affection towards us. Before my SSC exam, I had pox---a vicious disease of those times. Even own relatives used to give you a wide birth---lest they are inflicted. My Hindu teacher came to see me, and encouraged me. Why not shall I stand against death for him should he / his family / his properties were attacked by a rioter ?

Yet, one day he left for India---allegedly persuaded by his son who thought life will be golden in WB. Later we knew that my teacher died with broken heart that this migration was in vain, and he missed all that were his world and the respect he commanded back at home.

One of my senior brothers became Secretary of Bangladesh Govt. He went to Kolkata on an official trip. His counterparts back in WB asked whether he wishes to visit any place. A chauffeured car is ready. He produced an address some 60 miles away from Kolkata where his school teacher is known to live. He and his wife bought some gifts including kitchen provisions required to cook a day’s meals. His wife wanted to cook, and feed the boy-hood teacher and his family.

They found the teacher and his wife in a small house of 2 rooms---all children grown up and married & working away in other far places. “Sir, it is that small plant you nursed in years so & so. I came so that you can now have a look at the tree”---Secretary told. All 4 of them wept together for sometime. Then he asked : “Sir, how really are you ?” The teacher replied with tears in his eyes: “A guest is a guest is a guest”.

I decline to elaborate.

sir,most of wat you say is correct,i respect your mentality........but da refugees then are indians now.........one of my frnd whose grandparents are from bd,during da partition(i cannot recall whethe pre or post 1971),had a pact with a muslim here dat,once they interchanged countries they will occupy each others houses,coming here they were shocked to see a one storeyed small house which awaited them in bardhaman in exchange for their bunglow.........they lived a painfull life here,but today he supports the decsion which his grandparents took then.........i assume u understand why...........there is a para of flourishing bengalis here(5 min bus from my house) named 'sarat colony' which constitutes of bengali refugees,who later prospered in india........thnx