It Begins: US Starting the Baluchi Insurrection

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Pakistan will eventually break apart in several states, and it can not be blamed on any foreigners. The only ones to blame are the Pakistanis themselves and the leaders they've chosen. Pakistanis willingly cooperate with the Americans on raping their own country for some extra cash, where on earth did you think this would lead you to? You helped create Taliban to get some control in Afghanistan, instead they ended up raping Pakistan sideways everyday. You allow foreigners to train terrorists at Iran's border to come and kill innocent people in Iran, and instead you created a stronger enemy that wants to separate parts of Pakistan.... was it worth it?

Honestly Pakistan is not livable anymore, even in the time I lived there it was barely livable... now it's just a horrible nightmare with people being killed at an average of 10 per day.

At least the slave nation of India gets something in return for their slavery and actually manages to push through some of its wants. What does Pakistan get? Some USD they print with their printing machines, and in return you get bombed daily, invaded, parts of your land are are in their possession to train more terrorist that in return will rape you even more.

I saw Pakistan for the last time in about 20 years ago.... since then not a day has gone by that it has not become a worse place to live... That place is bound for implosion soon.

What was the point of the bolded statement ? Care to elaborate ?



Hope it wasn't due to frustration at India's vote against Iran at the IAEA ....

 

[LURKER]

@simorgh who's slave India is actually ?? USA ? RUSSIA? we r not a superpower niether r we anyone's slave living on donations and nor r we some quarrelsome nation like Iran who is hellbent on making enemies and threatening to wipe countries off the map

 

[wmdisinfo]

How I wish some senior members of PDF take note and realise the truth... Let us hope Pakistan comes out of the poisonous cocoon it has weaved around itself that not just is a pain to live within but a pain for the ecosystem.

lol keep on dreaming until u wake up and monster pakistan is at ur doorstep

 

[Simorgh]

What was the point of the bolded statement ? Care to elaborate ?



Hope it wasn't due to frustration at India's vote against Iran at the IAEA ....

No hard feelings what-so-ever. It's an honest opinion and I don't mean to offend either Pakistani or Indian sense of honor. Here is my reasoning, though you'd wish you hadn't asked, for why Pakistanis and Indians have much less to be proud of than you might think:

Pakistanis and Indians have been indoctrinated by the English during the colonial times, they still have that colonial slave way of thinking. You guys have English as your official language. Speak to a random Pakistani/India and he'll at the very least mix languages while talking, if he doesn't fully talk to you in English to begin with. Your militaries even parade in colonial clothing. Your people look up to the English. The English come and separate 'Pakistan' from India, and you people still fight each other like dogs till this day. Your people spend billions on buying foreign weapons, from people who don't even want you to advance in the first place. Your people have become the cheap labor to which unwanted labor are outsourced to, and you love it to.

I can go on for very long with this. But suffice it to say that the capitalists have for a very long time been busy splitting this world in consumers/labor and producer/develop nations, do you want to take a wild guess at which one India/Pakistan is and which on US/EU is?

Both nations have a whole lot of potential though... but that potential is not tapped. I'll give you something else to ponder on too. India will never become a super-power, in time, if it continues being a good boy, it'll be something like an upgraded Saudi-Arabia. And that is only because you do have indigenous development going on, even though it's minuscule in capita sense.... as opposed to the whole Arabian Peninsula where indigenous development is non-existent.

If it wants to be a super-power, it needs to at least take China's approach, aggressive development in tech, economy, military and other advancements.

 

[Areesh]

So was East Pakistan. Adding the 'disputed territory' tag won't give any added advantages

Since you want to compare Baluchistan with EP why not make the proper comparison with aspect. You know complete comparison would be destructive for your dreams.

 

[Paan Singh]

lol keep on dreaming until u wake up and monster pakistan is at ur doorstep

 

[Spring Onion]

Pakistan will eventually break apart in several states, and it can not be blamed on any foreigners. The only ones to blame are the Pakistanis themselves and the leaders they've chosen. Pakistanis willingly cooperate with the Americans on raping their own country for some extra cash, where on earth did you think this would lead you to? You helped create Taliban to get some control in Afghanistan, instead they ended up raping Pakistan sideways everyday. You allow foreigners to train terrorists at Iran's border to come and kill innocent people in Iran, and instead you created a stronger enemy that wants to separate parts of Pakistan.... was it worth it?

Honestly Pakistan is not livable anymore, even in the time I lived there it was barely livable... now it's just a horrible nightmare with people being killed at an average of 10 per day.

At least the slave nation of India gets something in return for their slavery and actually manages to push through some of its wants. What does Pakistan get? Some USD they print with their printing machines, and in return you get bombed daily, invaded, parts of your land are are in their possession to train more terrorist that in return will rape you even more.

I saw Pakistan for the last time in about 20 years ago.... since then not a day has gone by that it has not become a worse place to live... That place is bound for implosion soon.

For those who are used to live under Khuminis indeed Pakistan is not livable for you because Pakistan is much more free than your Iranian khuminied tyrant state.

 

[Spring Onion]

All the Khalistanis are in Pakistan.You are free to give them Lahore,Multan and Lyallpur.

You ignorant about your own affairs look within and also a peep into UK and Canada you may find all your Khalistanis vibrantly working there

 

[Pioneerfirst]

People think its very easy to seperate balochistan,I say its really hard.
1.Iran has a part of balochistan,if pak loses its balochistan then there will be threat of Iran losing too.So Iran will never be interested.
2.Balochistan is home to many ethnic groups.Pasjtuns are in large numbers and they will always support Pakistan and there is no problem in Pashtuns area of Balochistan.
3.Balochistan is not Bangladesh it is connected with rest of Pakistan so strtegecally it is really hard.
4.Baloch are in good number in rest of Pkistan e.g karachi is home to million,Sindh districts are home to million more,DG khan and Rajanpur of Punjab are too historically balochistan so home to Baloch people.
5.Many of Sardars are in favour of Pakistan.Just Barahamdagh Bugti,and few marris are against which have support in youth.

Only prob is US and RAW in Afghanistan.history has shown whenever India had presence in Afghanistan Balocjistan had been disturbed.

 

[Nononsense]

It's good there are as many Pashtuns in Balochistan as there are Balochis, who are fiercely patriotic towards Pakistan. Remember, even the capital of Balochistan Quetta is a Pashtun town. Pakistan won't let go off Balochistan, it just won't be happening, no matter what others might try to do.

No body with sane mind would support civil war in Pakistan as it would have spill over effect , even if India is not involved.

However reg. "Quetta having more Pastuns", remember Lahore had more Hindu merchants and Sikhs, to the ratio of 60:40.
But that was a then .. situation is very different in Pak.
Maximum I see Baluch movement will result in some compromise and some Autonomy, like what Scotland/ Ireland is to England

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

it would be counter productive of US and india to think about breaking pakistan. we dont want balkanisation of pakistan. who wants 4-5 fresh nuclear armed staes on its border. the consequences wd be devastating for india. even america would be under threat.

both indian and US govt realise this. but the problem is do pakistanis themselves realise that they r much more closer to implosion? i dont think they do. thats why we syill se people in denial mode. some are busy propogating conspiracy theories regarding death of OBL. rather then face the problem head on, people r still living in denial.

i see pakistanis ask more question abt indian army chief remark then about intelligence failure of ISI.

this is a golden opportunity for people of pakistan to control army/ ISI/civilian leadership. the problem is they are still living in denial mode.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

They will have to go over 180 million bodies to separate Balochistan from Pakistan.

I believe the US is at it.

They require to do so for strategic reasons.

1. Box Iran

2 TAPI

3. Get rid of the Chinese from Gwadar so that:
(a) Chinese cannot do electronic surveillance of US activities in the Middle East and Iran.
(b) No port for Chinese to move trade, oil or gas from the Middle East and Africa to China from Gwadar.
(c) No IPI.

 

[Nononsense]

Pakistanis and Indians have been indoctrinated by the English during the colonial times, they still have that colonial slave way of thinking. You guys have English as your official language. Speak to a random Pakistani/India and he'll at the very least mix languages while talking, if he doesn't fully talk to you in English to begin with. Your militaries even parade in colonial clothing. Your people look up to the English. The English come and separate 'Pakistan' from India, and you people still fight each other like dogs till this day. Your people spend billions on buying foreign weapons, from people who don't even want you to advance in the first place. Your people have become the cheap labor to which unwanted labor are outsourced to, and you love it to.

I can go on for very long with this. But suffice it to say that the capitalists have for a very long time been busy splitting this world in consumers/labor and producer/develop nations, do you want to take a wild guess at which one India/Pakistan is and which on US/EU is?

Had you been in front of me , I would have disagreed
However i have no shame on internet to agree that you are right. We do have colonial hang over. & yes most of our new gen. IT / Back office guys are doing , low value chain work, but that is fast changing.

But when you compare with Iran & Turkey, remember that you were never ruled for 200 yrs. & did not start your country with $ 40K
India got 50K, shared 10 K with Pakistan, to start 2 countries.

Vast majority of mainland India were poor, actually very poor.
To some extent true with Pakistan as well.
India chose democracy (true democracy).. and closed economy and developed Industries

Where as Pakistan chose to take aid from day 1. Maybe they did not have patience.
Both Nations started with heartburn of partition and issue of Kashmir.

I think if you consider all this .. India has done fairly well. but still 20 yrs behind west and 10yrs behind China . But then . there is no race.

 

[Simorgh]

For those who are used to live under Khuminis indeed Pakistan is not livable for you because Pakistan is much more free than your Iranian khuminied tyrant state.

What does that even mean? Is this supposed to insult me? It's sad, for you, that you resort to insulting behavior, simply because you don't like what I have to say.

I lived Clifton Karachi, and by the grace of God, we had it financially very good. There are many reasons of why I consider Pakistan unlivable. Hygiene is one of the less important and easily fixable reasons. For example, the only time we ate outside food, if the first time we became ill to the point that I almost died. This is not an exaggeration, I really did almost die.

The environment and infrastructure is the next reason. The very environment doesn't look the same as you'd experience in a 'healthy society'. The air itself seems contaminated and doesn't have clarity. The infrastructure, just everywhere holes in the ground, or something wrong with it... if you're not careful you might fall into one and you'd be happy if someone see you fall in... because with all that noise around you... your call for help might never be heard. Not to mention the street floods that regularly happen each time there is rain... and the holes in the streets that you don't see due to that.

In 'my time' an occasional robbery, some above average killings here and there, corrupt police and very regularly kidnapping of children was the height of our worries... these days from our friends in Pakistan we hear they're even afraid of getting out of their houses. Women stay at home... if you walk outside with your mobile, you might be robbed at gun point, people get killed left and right. In fact, there is this one person I know, a Pakistani man who a year ago went to Pakistan to visit his family. His wife called him to ask how he is an such, do you know what the man said? I haven't been outside in 20 days... I'm waiting for my departure time to arrive and get the hell out of this country. This is just one example, incidentally I know more Pakistanis and even more stories... but I think you already know yourself better... you just think you can fool people.

I have been to 11 countries, and it's very easy for me to compare Pakistan on my list. I put Pakistan on the eleventh spot, with Indonesia on the tenth. Don't think of it as a small step to reach Indonesia... it's going to take Pakistan a lot to even reach Indonesian standards, which I already consider low.

Now take the above in whatever way you want... not in the least bit am I trying to insult anyone... these are my experiences and my opinion and the reason I share it is to wake you guys up from this dreamland you've put yourselves in... This dreamland where you think that buying more arms, and building more nuclear bombs will in any way better your country. Do you think keeping this bombs is as free as just stocking some boxes in a garage? It costs England 2.3 billion euro every year just to stock their weapons, and they don't even make them... they just store and maintain them.

 

[khanz]

balochistan will always be part of pakistan u guys tried it before and have always failed with pashtunistan it got destroyed by the locals themselves they tried it again with balochistan and pakistan literally dropped a mountain on them.