Istanbul Armenian MP: China developed 3 times more in 10 years and passed Turkey

[bsruzm]

Turkish defence industry is only now maturing

Don't let some troll discourage you

 

[UKBengali]

Tell me when that happens, I don't see Turkey can have a bigger share in the world arms market, but I m very confident that China will, just like our phones in barely a decade from non existance to world dominatio, China's military industry also develops in leaps and bounds which starts to make US lose a lot of sleep. You talked a lot but I don't see much actions, tell me when Turkey becomes your country's main arms provider, until then whatever you say is just hot air.

How did you figure this out?

The deals with Pakistan in 2018 were worth many billions of US dollars and the one with Qatar this year is worth around 1 billion US dollar.

Stuff that Turkey is coming out with is simply cutting-edge and very competitive with the West.

Also remember that a lot of Muslim countries will buy Turkish products over other sources as long as they meet the price/performance ratio of other sources.

 

[beijingwalker]

How did you figure this out?

The deals with Pakistan in 2018 were worth many billions of US dollars and the one with Qatar this year is worth around 1 billion US dollar.

Stuff that Turkey is coming out with is simply cutting-edge and very competitive with the West.

Also remember that a lot of Muslim countries will buy Turkish products over other sources as long as they meet the price/performance ratio of other sources.

We have figures coming out every year and we can check, China sells way more weapons and everything to the Muslim countries than Muslims countries to each other added up together, religions are never a key factor in business world.

 

[Khan_21]

No need to be modest.

China is the richest country in the world in terms of GDP when adjusted for price levels. US still has far higher accumulated wealth though than China.

N Korea is not a good example as it's military tech is pretty low. Both Pakistan and Qatar only buy top of the line weapons these days and they have both given ringing endorsements to Turkish military technology.

Unlike USSR, Turkey is producing cutting-edge tech by only spending 2% of GDP on defence - USSR was at around 12-14% of GDP.

China's PPP and Nominal per capita are 5 times lesser than US. Overall does not matter. India's economy is now equal to UK and France but its per capita is even lower than african countries and is one of the poorest countries. Income levels are determined by per capita not by overall economy.

Turkey's PPP per capita is ahead of china by quite some margin.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Well I did not exactly half did I?

Anyway both Pakistan and BD are not exactly buying Chinese hardware for the quality now.
Pakistan gets it's weapons on soft loans and BD just wants cheap hardware that is reliable.
Saying that Chinese weapons are improving rapidly right now and the JF-17 performed very well against India last month.

Pakistan is spending many billions of dollars on Turkish ships and helicopters purely based on quality. The Chinese Z-10 was rejected in place of the Turkish T-129 and that should say something.


Turkish defence industry is only now maturing and a much more economically stronger BD will be in a position to buy from them in the future.

Exactly.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tf-x...rcraft-projects.256669/page-181#post-11245973

I even believe that BD will become one of the biggest markets for Turkish defense products in the future.

In addition, I am truly convinced that BD and TR are going to form many JVs. It's a perfect match if you think about it.

 

[Menthol]

Dude...


PPP is a better indicator of living standards:

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2018/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2008&ey=2018&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=60&pr1.y=12&c=924,186&s=PPPPC&grp=0&a=

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Currency fluctuation is normal and in time it will readjust.

Turkey is doing just fine.

China USD 18000
Turkey USD 28000

I wonder if this accurate?

I saw many countries GPD per capitalism PPP is up to 3x to 4x, while China lower than 2x.

 

[beijingwalker]

Many eastern Chinese cities and provinces have GDP per capita over 20000 or even 30000 dollars, the reason China's overall per capita GDP is only around 10000 dollars is the sheer size of the population, one fifth of whole humanity, no one had never done this feat of making these many people live a decently wealthy life, and also the fact that China has vast barren uninhibited lands in Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia where the living conditions are relatively much worse off than east part of China due to the harsh enviornment.

 

[Beast]

For your ignorance, it is going to be replaced by TEI's TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine.

LOL.. this is just a lab test running on table. No where it will be ready soon to fit on helo and not to mention operational ready. Do u know what is operational ready? That means extensive testing with the whole helo going for high attitude, low attitude, dry weather, hot weather and clock thousands of hours under all kind of possible wartime scenario and passed it before calling it operational.

Just when u thought everything is ready then there is the mass production problem. Prototype engine are using made manual and non mass production CNC methood to slowly fine tune to your requirement. You need to come up with an effective method to ensure quality control even under mass production.

Even the most problem free development of aero engine will take 3-5 years from lab running to mass operation equipped of arm forces. Until now, we only see Turkey turboshaft running on lab test. And Turkey is novice when comes to producing high power turboshaft. You expect Turkey to have problem free development? If Turkey is able to get these turboshaft operation after 7 years, it is already considered a miracle.

 

[beijingwalker]

Turkey's total GDP is smaller than some Chinese provinces, it's much easier to develop a small country than a huge continental size one, the smaller you are , the more likely you can be rich, that's why most city states are very rich in the world, but the down side is smaller countries are hard to become world powers due to their small size and population.

 

[Beast]

China USD 18000
Turkey USD 28000

I wonder if this accurate?

I saw many countries GPD per capitalism PPP is up to 3x to 4x, while China lower than 2x.

Absolutely not accurate. A simple calculate of population vs economy size will give u accurate GDP. China is renown with highest PPP.

How did you figure this out?

The deals with Pakistan in 2018 were worth many billions of US dollars and the one with Qatar this year is worth around 1 billion US dollar.

Stuff that Turkey is coming out with is simply cutting-edge and very competitive with the West.

Also remember that a lot of Muslim countries will buy Turkish products over other sources as long as they meet the price/performance ratio of other sources.

LOL.. Many turkish stuff heavily depend on Western sub critical component. Like engines and weapon system. Without these , turkish weapon are nothing. FOr example their TA-129, the powerful turboshaft are from american. Can it fly without it? MOst of the missile, tanks still need to import critical parts from Germany or US to be completed. THese western countries do not have very stable relationship with Turkey.

 

[Menthol]

Absolutely not accurate. A simple calculate of population vs economy size will give u accurate GDP. China is renown with highest PPP.

Based on your observation, how much China GDP should be?

 

[Beast]

Based on your observation, how much China GDP should be?

What the Turkish MP says is correct.

 

[Menthol]

What the Turkish MP says is correct.

Sorry, I mean in PPP.

GDP per capita in PPP.

 

[Beast]

Sorry, I mean in PPP.

GDP per capita in PPP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

 

[Agnihotra]

I don't think top 3 exporters can be dismissed as minucule as you claimed.




Don't fudge numbers in your head, if you really love Turkish weapons, why didn't your country buy almost all your weapons from Turkey? Your army is like a second PLA.


'Around 35% of China’s arms supplies went to Pakistan between 2013 and 2017, followed by 19% to Bangladesh. Dhaka procured 71% of its arms from China over the five-year period, and Myanmar 68%.'

https://scroll.in/latest/871743/chi...to-pakistan-bangladesh-and-myanmar-says-study

It's Muslim brotherhood thing, you won't understand.