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New thread. Let's make it sticky, please. Here's my choice of lead article:

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It’s About the Settlements, Stupid
December 17th, 2013 - 8:33 am

Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria, the misnamed occupied territories, are not the obstacle to peace between Israelis and Palestinians. They are the acid test of peace. To argue that peace is conceivable unless the bulk of the settlements remain in place constitutes stupidity or hypocrisy. Leave aside the issue of whether Jews have the right to live in the historic homeland of the Jewish people. Ignore the fact that the settlers live overwhelmingly on what was waste land and turned into gardens, vineyards, and industries which have uplifted the lives of Palestinian Arabs more than all the aid that has passed through (or rather stuck to) the fingers of the kleptocrats of the PA. Leave aside also Israel’s requirement for defensible borders: that is a critical issue but not identical to the continued presence of settlements.

Accepting the settlements is the sine qua non of any viable peace agreement. It does Israel no good to defend Israel’s right to exist but to condemn the settlers, as does Alan Dershowitz, not to mention the leaders of liberal Jewish denominations.

I believe in land for peace. That is a tautology: In territorial disputes the two main variables always are land and peace. But that implies more land for more peace and less land for less peace. The Palestinian Arabs had an opportunity to accept an Israeli state on just 5,500 square miles of land in 1947, and refused to do so. The armistice lines of 1948 left Israel with 8,550 square miles, and the Arab side refused to accept that. In 1967 Israel took an additional 5,628 square miles of land in dispute under international law; Jordan does not claim it, and no legal Arab authority exists to claim it. It is not “illegally occupied.” It has never been adjudicated by a competent authority.

To demand the 1948 armistice lines (the so-called 1967 borders) is to refuse any penalty for refusing to make peace in the past. That is the same as refusing any peace at all. Wars end when one side accepts defeat, and abandons the hope of restoring the status quo ante by force of arms. 1947 was a catastrophe (“Nakba”) for the Palestinian Arabs, to be sure, but it was a catastrophe of their own making; until they accept at least some degree of responsibility for the catastrophe, they will not be reconciled to any peace agreement. That is precisely what Palestine’s negotiator Saeb Erekatmeant when he eschewed any recognition of Israel as a Jewish nation-state because “I cannot change my narrative.” The “narrative” is that the Jews are an alien intrusion into the Muslim Middle East and eventually must be eliminated by one means or another.

The Palestinian Arabs are a people in decline, and the vehemence of their leaders reflects the dimness of their future. It is noteworthy that Secretary of State John Kerry continues to talk of a “demographic time bomb” threatening Israel, even though the data show that the Jewish population between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is increasing faster than the Arab population, as former Israeli diplomat Yoram Ettinger observes. That’s based on undisputed data; in fact, Palestinian population data are inflated by an enormous margin, as a 2006 study by the Begin-Sadat Center at Bar-Ilan University demonstrated:

[The Palestine Central Bureau of Statistics] projected that the number of births in the Territories would total almost 908,000 for the seven-year period from 1997 to 2003. Yet, the actual number of births documented by the PA Ministry of Health for the same period was significantly lower at 699,000, or 238,000 fewer births than had been forecast by the PCBS. … The size of the discrepancy accelerated over time. Whereas the PCBS predicted there would be over 143,000 births in 2003, the PA Ministry of Health reported only 102,000 births, which pointed to a PCBS forecast 40% beyond actual results.​

The hold of traditional Muslim society on young Palestinian Arabs, especially young women, is deteriorating: as they gain access to secondary and tertiary education, young Arabs have fewer children and more careers. And the most effective agency for the emancipation of young Arab women is the settler movement. Ariel University across the so-called Green Line is full of young Muslim women in headscarves studying computer science, and the leaders of the Ariel community–Haredi Jews–work with local Arab leaders to recruit talented students.

There is a parallel to what I called the “peace of the aging” in Ireland. The Irish got older. The drunken IRA killers I met in Belfast in 1970 as a student journalist had no intention of making peace. They were having too much fun at war. By 1996, when former Sen. George Mitchell presided over the Good Friday Agreement that formally ended the low-intensity civil war in Northern Ireland, those who were left had families and mortgages.

Distribution of Irish Population by Age (UN)

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By 2040 the Palestinian Arab population will have far fewer young people and far more middle-aged people.

Distribution of West Bank Arab Population by Age (UN)

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The Irish no longer care. They are neither Catholic nor nationalistic. The IRA thugs of 1970 came from four-child families. Today the Irish have fewer than two children on average. Let the matter simmer for another twenty years, and the Palestinian Arabs will look more like the Irish of 1996 than the Irish of 1970. At that point, the “narrative” will change, because no one will care about the old “narrative.”

In the meantime the Israeli settlers have built a garden and a workshop where before there were bare rocks, and thriving communities that are integral parts of Israeli society. It takes longer to get crosstown in Manhattan in traffic than it does to drive from the center of Tel Aviv to Ariel, the largest town in Samaria. This is yet another accomplishment of Jewish ingenuity and industriousness, and it is (or should be) an inspiring example to all who hope for a better life for the peoples of the Middle East. We will know that the Palestinians want peace when they admire rather than abhor this effort.

The utopian delusions of the Obama administration, the hypocrisy of the world, and the betrayal–yes, I think that is the right word–of Israeli interests by the liberal American Jewish denominations have put Israel in a painful situation. The threat of economic sanctions from Europe or reduced American military support if Israel refuses to swallow the poisoned bait are not a trivial threat. As Caroline Glick writes today:

With Kerry poised to shove his lethal parameters down our throats, parameters that will require Israel to irrevocably accept terms of peace that will destroy the country, it is obvious that Netanyahu needs to adopt a longer-term strategy. Our goal cannot be limited to waiting out Obama. Our goal must be to extricate Israel from the two-state trap.

Yes, Israel will pay a huge price for jumping ship. For 20 years, non-leftist Israeli leaders have been trying to go along to get along with the Left, and the Americans and their ever-escalating demands. But Kerry’s obsessive harping, and his insistence on pushing forward with his disastrous framework deal forces our hand.

Either we pay a huge price now, or accept our destruction within five to 15 years.
Ms. Glick is Israeli, and has a right to urge a particular course of action for her country. I am American, and direct my comments instead to my liberal Jewish co-religionists: Your support for the Obama administration and your betrayal of Jews on our front line in Judea and Samaria is a wicked and disgraceful thing. We must summon all of our strength to prevent this administration from punishing Israel for refusing to commit suicide.

As a religious Jew, I believe that Jews are obligated to settle our historic homeland, but I also believe that the preservation of Jewish life takes precedence. If it were possible to achieve a durable and robust peace by abandoning the settlements I would support it. But that is a delusion: we will make ourselves immeasurably less secure by abandoning the settlements than by holding fast to them.

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Didn't read the crap and, from what I know about Solomon, there's no reason to - he knows little of the region and will post the most defraud BS as long as it flatters Israel.

Anyway, regarding Israel's "struggle" for peace, here we have it - Israel's just killed its third Palestinian in 48 hours, this in the midst of the "peace process", for the crime of trying to reclaim their own lands, which Israel, in a a admitted bid to push Gaza to a humanitarian crisis, has gobbled up to set up a "buffer zone".

Not only do Palestinian deaths climb up during Israel's "struggle for peace" talks, but also arbitrary imprisonments, land theft and home demolitions.
 
Israel and peace are two opposite terms, please solomon stop jocking, it's no more fun now---Pakistanis won't change their opinion about israel, it will be as it was a Terrorist state from the beginning !
 
Israel and peace are two opposite terms, please solomon stop jocking, it's no more fun now---Pakistanis won't change their opinion about israel, it will be as it was a Terrorist state from the beginning !

Israel is Cancer tumor should be clean of Qods.
 
Didn't read the crap and, from what I know about Solomon, there's no reason to - he knows little of the region and will post the most defraud BS as long as it flatters Israel.

Anyway, regarding Israel's "struggle" for peace, here we have it - Israel's just killed its third Palestinian in 48 hours, this in the midst of the "peace process", for the crime of trying to reclaim their own lands, which Israel, in a a admitted bid to push Gaza to a humanitarian crisis, has gobbled up to set up a "buffer zone".

Not only do Palestinian deaths climb up during Israel's "struggle for peace" talks, but also arbitrary imprisonments, land theft and home demolitions.
Solomon is a sly Israeli sympathizer. He will manipulate, revise and twist logic to make Jews as the victim. He forgot to mention the ongoing genocide committed against Palestinians where Jewish control mainstream media will never broadcast.
A big one finger salute to Solomon2.
 
End of these rats is soon.
U know what does this fu mention, he mentions beacause Prophet Solomon [SA] had kingdom we jewish must have kingdom in Muslim countries.

Cool story bro, been hearing that story for decades now. The only thing you run is your mouth.
 
Solomon is a sly Israeli sympathizer. He will manipulate, revise and twist logic to make Jews as the victim. He forgot to mention the ongoing genocide committed against Palestinians where Jewish control mainstream media will never broadcast.
A big one finger salute to Solomon2.

End of these rats is soon.
U know what does this fu mention, he mentions beacause Prophet Solomon [SA] had kingdom we jewish must have kingdom in Muslim countries.

Cool story bro, been hearing that story for decades now. The only thing you run is your mouth.

We clean u jews from Qods.
 
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End of these rats is soon.
U know what does this fu mention, he mentions beacause Prophet Solomon [SA] had kingdom we jewish must have kingdom in Muslim countries.



We clean u jews from Qods.

Show me an example of where that happened in real life (besides your wet dreams)
 
U mad bro?

End of these rats is soon.
U know what does this fu mention, he mentions beacause Prophet Solomon [SA] had kingdom we jewish must have kingdom in Muslim countries.



We clean u jews from Qods.

Let's see how you gonna destroy the Jews :lol:
 

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