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Israel's atrocities in Gaza prompt unprecedented political fallout

"Carnage" in Gaza – "the killing of children and the slaughter of civilians". Not the words of a Palestinian spokesperson but rather French Foreign Minister [URL='http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=718110']Laurent Fabius. Australia's FM Julie Bishop condemned what she called "shocking" and "indefensible" incidents, with "hundreds of innocent people" killed.
Just two examples of how Israel's strongest allies have criticised the conduct of 'Operation Protective Edge' in unprecedentedly harsh terms. In the UK specifically, there has been an undeniable sea-change in the way that self-declared 'friends' of Israel have drawn a red line – adding their voices of criticism to more vociferous condemnation heard at numerous, large-scale demonstrations.

More on this in a moment. For now let us recap the devastation visited upon the Gaza Strip where, in the words of Human Rights Watch, Israel has killed "very large numbers of civilians" with "advanced weapons". In the most recent update, Gaza's Ministry of Health reported a death toll of 1,893 Palestinians, including 430 children. In one single F-16 strike on July 30, 19 children were killed. A further 9,805 Palestinians have been wounded, including almost 3,000 children. At least 122 families have lost three or more family members in the same attack, killing a total of 652 civilians in those strikes alone.

Many of the wounded are suffering from serious burns, or face life-long disabilities (physical as well as mental). In a fenced-in, blockaded territory, Israel's attacks displaced almost 30 percent of the population. Israel has destroyed or severely damaged more than 10,000 housing units - many more have sustained less serious damage.

Shops, mosques, government buildings, all lie in ruins – the power plant is out of action, and 134 factories were destroyed. A low-end estimate cost of the damage is $5 billion. The health sector is in a state of emergency, while Amnesty International yesterday released evidence of the Israeli military conducting "deliberate attacks against hospitals and health professionals". Nor were journalists immune: 13 Palestinian media workers were killed during the course of the attack.


The evidence of atrocities is mounting. One of the defining horrors of this attack has been the targeting of family homesclose to 1,000 homes have been destroyed or severely damaged by Israeli airstrikes. Reporting on the issue, the Associated Press said that the Israeli military did not respond to repeated requests "to explain in detail why even one of [the homes] was targeted".


Earlier on in the operation, Israeli NGO B'Tselem noted how the Israel military itself had "acknowledged" conducting attacks that were "illegally aimed at homes that were not military targets". A senior officer, commenting on the bombing of a senior al-Qassam Brigades figure's house, said: "You call it a home, we call it a command centre and a military post for all intents and purposes".

As Israeli human rights lawyer Michael Sfard put it, the Israeli military's "combat doctrine...redefines what constitutes a legitimate target for attack" so that it includes "houses belonging to Hamas commanders and operatives" (it should be noted homes have also been hit lacking even this 'link').

Another example of Israel's war crimes – the intense and indiscriminate attack on Rafah on August 1, when the Israeli military killed an estimated 130 Palestinians, mostly civilians, after soldier Hadar Goldin was feared captured. Haaretz referred to "dozens of innocents killed" in a "massive use of force" – another item reported "the demolition of houses with bulldozers and very aggressive artillery, aerial and tank fire". The Givati brigade responsible is commanded by Ofer Winter, who had told his soldiers prior to the ground invasion they were "engaged in a war to 'wipe out' an 'enemy who defames' God."

Then there is the devastation of Shuja'iyya, when IDF officers boasted of "taking off the gloves" and tanks received orders "to open fire at anything that moved". A brutal attack which, in the words of Israeli analyst Ron Ben-Yishai, was the very "essence of the deterrence" sought by Israel in its battering of Gaza. In Khuza'a, Israeli forces fired on and killed fleeing civilians, with a "furious assault" that left "whole streets flattened" and "its nine mosques...in pieces". And so it goes on.

A report in Haaretz a week ago said that more than 30,000 artillery shells had landed in Gaza, in addition to the then-4,000 "targets" struck by airstrikes. It is vital to recall, when considering the bigger picture of Israel's military operations, that the army's own legal advice strips civilians of their protected status, in what has been described as "a 'targeted assassination' of the principles of international law".

Meanwhile, Israel is preparing for the anticipated legal ramifications of its war crimes – a reasonable expectation given the calls already made by the likes of Amnesty International for an arms embargo, as well as the UN Human Rights Commission inquiry.

According to the Israeli media, for domestic consumption officials describe the damage done to Gaza "as the main deterrent" – but "play down this claim in the international arena", as they are "aware the destruction will have serious political ramifications". On July 10, a military source claimed that when "Gaza residents see the great damage to the Strip", it "will speak for itself".

The Israeli military has already established a team "in case the army is accused of war crimes" consisting of senior army officials, as well as representatives of the Foreign and Defense Ministries. Their remit also includes "organizing a diplomatic and public relations offensive".

They will have their work cut out. In recent weeks, Israel's image has taken a battering in Britain. The public has taken a clear stand on what it thinks of the Gaza attack, while politicians and pundits from both the Right and centre-left have condemned the killing of Palestinian civilians. Palestine has shaped the domestic political agenda in a way perhaps never seen before.

'Tory war over Gaza', ran a front page headline in The Times, in the aftermath of Sayeeda Warsi's resignation. A self-defined pro-Israel Conservative MP spoke out against the "swift, and terrible, elimination of so many Palestinian lives, homes, hospitals and schools". Newspapers have focused on the arms trade, as campaigners and senior politicians alike call for an embargo.

From celebrity tweets to Jon Snow's emotional broadcasts – this summer would appear to be a watershed moment in how Israel is perceived, and treated, in the UK. No wonder that the Israeli embassy has almost begged for help in its embattled propaganda drive, while the country's defenders issue desperate-sounding "choose which side you are on"-style pleas

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In the end Israel won.

Destroyed the entire fu<king strip and only lost 63 soldiers, probably committed war crimes but who gives a fu<k?

While Hamas continues to play the stupid Saddam Hussein style card of claiming they have plenty of more rockets.

The US Public's perception of Hamas and Palestinians is no different than before.

Europe banned protests, "Muslim" World is applauding Israel.
 
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In the end Israel won.

Won what?

Destroyed the entire fu<king strip and only lost 63 soldiers, probably committed war crimes but who gives a fu<k?

You?

While Hamas continues to play the stupid Saddam Hussein style card of claiming they have plenty of more rockets.

Hamas knows what it has. It is only defending the Palestinian people and struggling for their rights after Gaza was attacked.

The US Public's perception of Hamas and Palestinians is no different than before.

US public perception is very different. Americans under 30 years of age are very supportive of the Palestinian plight. Polls aren't even telling the truth, but that statistic is according to a recent poll. US government stance has nothing to do with perception. It's about interests and there is too much of a large Jewish influence in the US which makes it impossible to change stance on Israel.

Europe banned protests, "Muslim" World is applauding Israel.

France banned one protest, the rest went on and many protests took place in Europe. 'Muslim World' by that you mean Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and UAE? What do you want us to do about that? The people can't change anything, eventually they will though.
 
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Won what?

Tunnels, Damaging Hamas/IJ/AQ/ Infrastructure


I actually do care about innocent people who are killed for mercilessly, whether by Hamas or IDF. And I hope allot more people do also. But the fact of the matter is Israel isn't going in front of the ICC, neither is Hamas.

The only group that lost were the civilians on both sides.

Hamas knows what it has. It is only defending the Palestinian people and struggling for their rights after Gaza was attacked.

So did Saddam, yet he continued to boast how he could wipe away entire American Divisions. Hamas should have known they weren't going to be able to do much damage to Israel, yet they struck the hornet's nest. Its very David and Goliath, but you can't start B!t<h!ng about how 85% of the dead are civilians when your spending $3million on tunnels that could have been used to make shelters.

While Hamas has been able to increase Israel's causality rate, Israel knows the red lines of how far it can continue Operations in Gaza, until the causalities reach 2,000.

US public perception is very different. Americans under 30 years of age are very supportive of the Palestinian plight. Polls aren't even telling the truth, but that statistic is according to a recent poll. US government stance has nothing to do with perception. It's about interests and there is too much of a large Jewish influence in the US which makes it impossible to change stance on Israel.

85% of probably Americans don't even know geography. The majority of them just believe CNN & Fox News is God's words. American Politicians after getting elected start going to fundraisers for the next election.

France banned one protest, the rest went on and many protests took place in Europe. 'Muslim World' by that you mean Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and UAE? What do you want us to do about that? The people can't change anything, eventually they will though.

Yes, and now those protests will go the same place these people think about Palestine, the back of their minds. While AIPAC continues to promote Israel 24/7/365, #Free Palestine only happens during war time.

2008, 2012, 2014, the next one is in 2015/2016?

The People in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE can't change anything? Pass me some of that pot you got in Michigan.
 
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Tunnels, Damaging Hamas/IJ/AQ/ Infrastructure

How do we get into this discussion of who gained the most militarily in a thread documenting Israeli atrocities? I'm not here to do that. And infrastructure is intact, there is no AQ in Gaza.This article is about global perception and NOT military analysis.

I actually do care about innocent people who are killed for mercilessly, whether by Hamas or IDF. And I hope allot more people do also. But the fact of the matter is Israel isn't going in front of the ICC, neither is Hamas.

And? Did anyone ask for your insight? This thread is meant to document developments.

So did Saddam, yet he continued to boast how he could wipe away entire American Divisions. Hamas should have known they weren't going to be able to do much damage to Israel, yet they struck the hornet's nest.

Wow, you're an idiot. Hamas never declared war on Israel. Apparently you haven't been apparent of the occupation over the past several decades. I'm not here to get into this discussion, go create a thread about it. Even though I can offer rebuttals to your random posts.

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu on CNN told Wolf Blitzer that the invasion of Gaza was a strategy to demilitarize Gaza, explaining the use of force. But it has been quite a robust use of force…Do you think that it is going to succeed, the Israeli strategy?

No, I think he is making a very serious mistake. When Hamas in effect accepted the notion of participation in the Palestinian leadership, it in effect acknowledged the determination of that leadership to seek a peaceful solution with Israel. That was a real option. They should have persisted in that.

Instead Netanyahu launched the campaign of defamation against Hamas, seized on the killing of three innocent Israeli kids to immediately charge Hamas with having done it without any evidence, and has used that to stir up public opinion in Israel in order to justify this attack on Gaza, which is so lethal.

I think he is isolating Israel. He's endangering its longer-range future. And I think we ought to make it very clear that this is a course of action which we thoroughly disapprove and which we do not support and which may compel us and the rest of the international community to take some steps of legitimizing Palestinian aspirations perhaps in the U.N.


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The People in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE can't change anything? Pass me some of that pot you got in Michigan.

What in the world are you talking about mentally unstable man? The citizens can't change anything about the stances of those leaders. They don't support their policies, try reading for once instead of ranting like a rabid dog.
 
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Israel has for a long time not cared about global public opinion.

The only exception, is the public opinion in America, since it is the American superpower that gives Israel the carte blanche to do whatever they want in the Middle East.

Not to mention giving them billions of dollars in American weaponry for free every year. And Iron dome too.
 
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Israel has for a long time not cared about global public opinion.

The only exception, is the public opinion in America, since it is the American superpower that gives Israel the carte blanche to do whatever they want in the Middle East.

Not to mention giving them billions of dollars in American weaponry for free every year. And Iron dome too.

gotta help our boy.
can say the same about China and North Korea.
you all support a tyrant North Korea government.
they wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for China
who is more evil Israel or North Korea??
 
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gotta help our boy.
can say the same about China and North Korea.
you all support a tyrant North Korea government.
they wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for China
who is more evil Israel or North Korea??

LOL yeah, we give the North Koreans food.

And America keeps asking us to cut off their food supply, and starve their regime into collapse. Killing millions of North Koreans in the process.

We said no, not because we care so much about North Koreans (we don't) but to stop the flood of refugees over our border.

Personally I care very little about North Korea, and I despise the Fat Kims. I don't want Chinese money going to North Korea, maybe apart from food aid. The less we have to do with them, the better.

As for what you guys do with Israel, that is none of my concern. It's your money.
 
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Israel has for a long time not cared about global public opinion.

The only exception, is the public opinion in America, since it is the American superpower that gives Israel the carte blanche to do whatever they want in the Middle East.

Not to mention giving them billions of dollars in American weaponry for free every year. And Iron dome too.

American public opinion is changing. Everything else isn't though.
 
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American public opinion is changing. Everything else isn't though.

Seems a bit late for that though.

The key decision makers in America are willing to support Israel with the full force of America's military might.

And frankly, the chances of America no longer supporting Israel are close to zero.

it is what it is.
we are as close as teeth and lips.

Teeth and lips, that is a very interesting turn of phrase on your part. :P

I guess you are referring to relations between China and North Korea.
 
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Seems a bit late for that though.

The key decision makers in America are willing to support Israel with the full force of America's military might.

And frankly, the chances of America no longer supporting Israel are close to zero.

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Bit late for what? American public opinion is slowly changing, that has nothing to do with military support to Israel. Americans aren't willing to use their military might to do everything for Israel. Those are American neo-cons/Zionists.
 
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Bit late for what? American public opinion is slowly changing, that has nothing to do with military support to Israel. Americans aren't willing to use their military might to do everything for Israel. Those are American neo-cons/Zionists.

And they are the key decision makers in America.

As for American people, according to the polls they are more pro-Israel than any other people on Earth.

America doesn't have to use their military might to do anything for Israel, by giving them billions of dollars of free advanced weapons every single year, they have already made them unassailable in the region. They gave them nuclear weapons as well.

And if Israel comes at risk (say from another Iraqi or Iranian nuclear reactor) then America will spring to action again.
 
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