Israeli sources: Iran missile strike a ‘flop,’ with most missing target

[That Guy]

Testing the accuracy of ballistic missiles against stationary targets during such an important and high-profile strike?

That's a pretty strange way to go about it? Testing against stationary targets can be done at any time in their own country, without loss of face.

If they had tested those missiles previously and saw a success rate of 1 out of 7, why on Earth would they use it here?

A controlled environment vs a dynamic one, especially at such long distances, would make such a test a far more reliable way to get data.

There is really no loss of face here, even if Iran exaggerates its claims. No international media outlet is even paying attention here, so Iran isn't too worried about a loss of face.

 

[AmirPatriot]

lol, sometimes? This happens every time I post on anything related to Iran; Even when I give Iran credit, I'm somehow being a hater.

Saying a 1 of 7 (14%) success rate "isn't bad" reads more like damning with faint praise rather than giving credit.

A controlled environment vs a dynamic one

But that is the point, the targets were stationary and not dynamic.

 

[Blue In Green]

lol, sometimes? This happens every time I post on anything related to Iran; Even when I give Iran credit, I'm somehow being a hater.

Thats his personality unfortunately. He has the "give em hell" kind of attitude.

 

[That Guy]

Simple, an enemy gaining better capabilities will not elicit a positive response.

Of course, but the reaction would be different to one that is being shown. Let's not kid ourselves, Israel has used less to create far more fear for its safety.

Considering Israeli "sources" also claimed the strike only Shahab-3 missiles - when in fact most of the missiles weren't even liquid fuelled - I think ignoring Israeli "analysis" is a safer bet than believing a biased source.

They're likely multiple sources, not just one. It's like saying PDF is a united forum, where everyone gives the same opinion, when we know that it isn't true. My analysis, and @Chinese-Dragon 's analysis being different, yet we don't say that mine and his view are that of PDF's official views.

People are just assuming Iran showed all of the footage it captured, or Iran filmed all the strikes.

Perhaps.

 

[Cthulhu]

LMAO. Believe me, If those missile weren't accurate, our mullahs wouldn't put them on a show in Syria so everyone can confirm that they're not accurate.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Testing the accuracy of ballistic missiles against stationary targets during such an important and high-profile strike?

That's a pretty strange way to go about it? Testing against stationary targets can be done at any time in their own country, without loss of face.

If they had tested those missiles previously and saw a success rate of 1 out of 7, why on Earth would they use it here?

That's an example of high IQ I'm jealous.

 

[That Guy]

Saying a 1 of 7 (14%) success rate "isn't bad" reads more like damning with faint praise rather than giving credit.

Maybe I could have phrased it better, but it really is a good result, and will give a lot of data to Iran for further improvements. Iranian missile scientists and engineers are likely to take the data and see what went wrong with the other 6. Remember, even the US has hundreds (if not thousands) of failures, before they get consistent success with their new weapons systems; take the US missile shield program, for example, it has constantly run into problems, but they don't give up, and ignore them, they take the data and improve.

But that is the point, the targets were stationary and not dynamic.

Dynamic doesn't just mean the target itself. Dynamic means things like shifting weather patterns, length of range, tracking at long distances, crossing volatile air traffic (especially considering we're taking about the missiles crossing Iraq, and into Syria).

The type of target used is just one aspect of the whole scenario.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Of course, but the reaction would be different to one that is being shown. Let's not kid ourselves, Israel has used less to create far more fear for its safety.

But Israel got an increase to it's military aid just last year. I hardly think they will be able to pull another one. And in any case, Israel has built up it's main threat from Iran has nuclear weapons, not necessarily missiles, which it has presented as being neutralised with its ABM systems.

They're likely multiple sources, not just one.

All those Israeli "sources" are unnamed. I wonder why...

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

A controlled environment vs a dynamic one, especially at such long distances, would make such a test a far more reliable way to get data.

There is really no loss of face here, even if Iran exaggerates its claims. No international media outlet is even paying attention here, so Iran isn't too worried about a loss of face.

I don't know, there doesn't seem to be much information around. Like you said, the international media hasn't been covering it much for some reason.

 

[That Guy]

I don't know, there doesn't seem to be much information around. Like you said, the international media hasn't been covering it much for some reason.

The reason is quite simple, even if Iran is 100% correct, they're not taking it seriously.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Dynamic means things like shifting weather patterns, length of range, tracking at long distances, crossing volatile air traffic (especially considering we're taking about the missiles crossing Iraq, and into Syria).

All of these can be simulated within Iranian borders.

Iranian missile scientists and engineers are likely to take the data and see what went wrong with the other 6.

If it went wrong. There is no evidence that anything went wrong. Only some nameless Israelis talking to the media.

 

[That Guy]

But Israel got an increase to it's military aid just last year. I hardly think they will be able to pull another one. And in any case, Israel has built up it's main threat from Iran has nuclear weapons, not necessarily missiles, which it has presented as being neutralised with its ABM systems.

Which was an over all decrease, and Israelis were none too happy about it. They've been rumored to be lobbying Trump to over turn Obama's ban on Israel asking congress for more aid.

All those Israeli "sources" are unnamed. I wonder why...

why potentially endanger your sources? Or give them up to rival outlets?

Unnamed doesn't mean untrue, just unverified.

 

[SOHEIL]

You know, every time you reply to me, to criticize my views, you never actually address my points. It seems to me that all you want to do is live in a bubble, where Iran is the greatest at everything, even when it is not.



Why? I live in a technologically advanced developed country, with an advanced professional army, and allied to the most powerful nation on earth. What do I have to be jealous about?

If anything, you seem to be offended that I was even remotely critical of Iran. Why can't you accept the fact that Iran tends to exaggerate its claims?

Years ago you were one of those who called RQ-170 drone in irgc hands a mock up for propaganda !

Remember?

And same about shahed 129 ...

For you everything from Iran is propaganda ... I won't accept anything from peoples like you !

Thats his personality unfortunately. He has the "give em hell" kind of attitude.

You can't see the load of BS ?

 

[AmirPatriot]

Which was an over all decrease, and Israelis were none too happy about it. They've been rumored to be lobbying Trump to over turn Obama's ban on Israel asking congress for more aid.

The Israelis are not happy most of the time, they want to have their cake and eat it... I think they just won't bother with this one. Especially when the media has been so quiet.

Unnamed doesn't mean untrue, just unverified.

And in contentious geopolitical rivalries like Iran-US/Israel, unverified doesn't mean anything to me.

 

[Blue In Green]

I don't know, there doesn't seem to be much information around. Like you said, the international media hasn't been covering it much for some reason.

Thats the strange part. This Iran strike is almost as if it didn't even happen in the Western MSM