Israeli Iron Dome System saves german cruise ship Aida Diva from palestinian rockets

[MarkusS]

The AIDA Diva was leaving the port of Ashdod on monday with 2.700 passengers

Several palestinian rockets were approaching but this Iron Dome system stopped all of them. Parts of the rockets felt on the AIDA Diva. Thanks god nobody was hurt and the ship is undamaged. AIDA canclled all Israel destinations in July and August.

I must say i´m very impressed about this Iron Dome system.

 

[Fukuoka]

MOSSAD false flag

USS liberty ship

Funny how an italian/german hates palestinians and russians and love Israel

 

[MarkusS]

MOSSAD false flag

USS liberty ship

Funny how an italian/german hates palestinians and russians and love Israel

Where did i say i hate palestinians? Where did i say i love Israel? Quote passages where i said this. aif you cant find a quote simply shut up and change your nickname into Carla Bruni.

 

[Hack-Hook]

If anybody managed to hit a moving ship with one of these rockets then they are worthy of a big prize.

This time it's likely the missile was out of the path and gonna to fall in the sea when one of them intercepted by iron dome and get exploded in the air and then one of the derbies fall on the ship.

 

[Leviza]

Yeah and why didnt this so called Iron dome saved mini-india ? looks like this iron dome of yours is racist as well

 

[RFS_Br]

FACT: In 2012, Israel made fantastic claims about the Iron Dome that the Western media eagerly ate up either out of stupidity or pro-Israeli bias. It took an MIT professor, Ted Postol, in possession of a wealth of footage showing the ID in action to change discourse. He concluded in fact that the ID's success rate was about zero. I know this is 2014 but, based on history, we shouldn't assume the ID's performance has changed at all only because the lying Israeli military says so.

 

[MarkusS]

ur a despicable entity u scum. rats infesting Palestinian lands. Hitler should of finished the job. Don't worry you rat. The time will come when the Muslims will finish what hitler started. You're time is running out. Enjoy it while you can Israel as a fake state wont survive for much longer.

I didn't know new zealand is hostile towards Israel. So far they are a close ally. You pay support to israel with your taxes.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

FACT: In 2012, Israel made fantastic claims about the Iron Dome that the Western media eagerly ate up either out of stupidity or pro-Israeli bias. It took an MIT professor, Ted Postol, in possession of a wealth of footage showing the ID in action to change discourse. He concluded in fact that the ID's success rate was about zero. I know this is 2014 but, based on history, we shouldn't assume the ID's performance has changed at all only because the lying Israeli military says so.

If what you say is true, then the logical conclusion is that Hamas is launching rockets that are so ineffective, it takes hundreds or even thousands of launches to kill just one person. If that's the case, why shouldn't Hamas stop firing and sue for peace?

Or more likely, Ted Postol is incorrect.

 

[nomi007]

israeli drama to impress the world

 

[RFS_Br]

If what you say is true, then the logical conclusion is that Hamas is launching rockets that are so ineffective, it takes hundreds or even thousands of launches to kill just one person. If that's the case, why shouldn't Hamas stop firing and sue for peace?

I'm not Hamas, I don't know the answer. My guess is that Hamas knows that Israel can be pressured with something other than a high body count. Israel is a much stronger army - it is expected that the other side will have a higher casualty count (not least because Israel likes inflating it by targeting civilians). Just murdering lots of people won't do - Israel has to be seen as paralyzing the other side, disabling it, forcing it to quiet down - after all, the other side is much weaker. But if Hamas just keeps shooting rockets in retaliation, it will be showing the world that Israel is failing. I think Israelis feel the same way - that's why, in the aftermath of the 2012 "war", a poll showed that a plurality of Israelis refused to identify a winner between Israel and Hamas.

Or more likely, Ted Postol is incorrect.

It's very unlikely that he is, considering that he based his conclusions on footage. And let's not pretend missile shields have a very honorable history behind them - previous models were also touted for miraculous efficiency though these claims ended up demolished by independent experts such as Postol.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

I'm not Hamas, I don't know the answer. My guess is that Hamas knows that Israel can be pressured with something other than a high body count. Israel is a much stronger army - it is expected that the other side will have a higher casualty count (not least because Israel likes inflating it by targeting civilians). Just murdering lots of people won't do - Israel has to be seen as paralyzing the other side, disabling it, forcing it to quiet down - after all, the other side is much weaker. But if Hamas just keeps shooting rockets in retaliation, it will be showing the world that Israel is failing. I think Israelis feel the same way - that's why, in the aftermath of the 2012 "war", a poll showed that a plurality of Israelis refused to identify a winner between Israel and Hamas.


It's very unlikely that he is, considering that he based his conclusions on footage. And let's not pretend missile shields have a very honorable history behind them - previous models were also touted for miraculous efficiency though these claims ended up demolished by independent experts such as Postol.

I suppose it's a psychological victory of sorts for Hamas to be seen continuing to fire rockets at Israel. But meanwhile, Palestinians are dying. I should think that's a more important issue to concentrate on, but it's possible that Hamas sees Palestinian blood as cheap enough to justify such symbolic victories, in which case, how unfortunate the Palestinians are to have Hamas lead them.

As far as Postol, it's hard to say. It's true that the claims of the Patriot missile performance in the Gulf War have permanently poisoned trust in public statements of effectiveness, but on the other hand, is visual analysis enough? Wouldn't radar data be far more accurate?

 

[RFS_Br]

I suppose it's a psychological victory of sorts for Hamas to be seen continuing to fire rockets at Israel. But meanwhile, Palestinians are dying. I should think that's a more important issue to concentrate on, but it's possible that Hamas sees Palestinian blood as cheap enough to justify such symbolic victories, in which case, how unfortunate the Palestinians are to have Hamas lead them.

Gazans will be getting bombed whether Hamas responds or not. Even though the Western media likes to pretend otherwise, and only bother to report on ceasefire breaks if they are by Gazans, Israelis themselves have violated ceasefires numerous times without provocation. It's the same with this latest round of attacks: the Western media likes to pretend it started with the rockets, but it started with Israel was terrorizing the place in the wake of those settlers' abduction. Only then Hamas lashed back. You could say that lashing back may be worse, that it gives Israel to flog Gazans even more, but what's Hamas supposed to do? Let Gazans get bombed and its military credibility with its people, with the lower brass etc, erode? At least with its rockets, Hamas is pressuring Israel in some way, eroding its deterrence, thus being in a better position to extract a ceasefire however badly Israel observes it. A ceasefire is easier to achieve by hurting Israel than by doing nothing. Let's remember that, in the aftermath of the 2012 war, Gazans' lives did improve a bit - even their de facto maritime space was enlarged (though to nowhere close their internationally given rights).

As far as Postol, it's hard to say. It's true that the claims of the Patriot missile performance in the Gulf War have permanently poisoned trust in public statements of effectiveness, but on the other hand, is visual analysis enough? Wouldn't radar data be far more accurate?

No idea, man. I do think that if the IDF was so sure of the Iron Dome's feats, it would itself commission some kind of independent research into its effectiveness, if only to spur more investments into it.

 

[janon]

It's very unlikely that he is, considering that he based his conclusions on footage. And let's not pretend missile shields have a very honorable history behind them - previous models were also touted for miraculous efficiency though these claims ended up demolished by independent experts such as Postol.

If he based his conclusions on footage, then it doesn't matter a whit whether he is an MIT professor or a teenager with a youtube account. Scientific credentials are meant to lend weight to scientific analysis, not to drawing conclusions from video footage.

The facts on the ground speak for themselves - how many rockets have been fired by Hamas? How many enemies have been killed, or how much infrastructure destroyed? If it takes hundreds of rockets to kill one enemy, you can bet that the counter technology is working great. (Or that the rocket shooters are incompetent.)

No idea, man. I do think that if the IDF was so sure of the Iron Dome's feats, it would itself be enabling some kind of research into its effectiveness, if only to spur more investments.

The product is inducted after research, not the other way round. And by the way, the makers of Iron dome have been touting their product across the globe. India was on the verge of buying it too.

 

[RFS_Br]

The facts on the ground speak for themselves - how many rockets have been fired by Hamas? How many enemies have been killed, or how much infrastructure destroyed?

The casualty count in Israel has been low since before there was an Iron Dome. In fact, Israel's casualty ratio to Palestine was far worse in 2012 than in 2009, and in 2012 they had Iron Dome and in 2009 they did not. If the Iron Dome impacted Israeli performance, it was for the worse, at least according to raw casualty count. Body count therefore may not say anything about the Iron Dome's effectiveness - it may be saying a lot more on the relative low quality of Hamas' arsenal. And there was extensive property damage in Israel in 2012, though it was only after the conflict was over that the Israeli media bothered to cover it - until then, it was all about the Iron Dome as the savior. I bet the same is the case now.

The product is inducted after research, not the other way round. And by the way, the makers of Iron dome have been touting their product across the globe. India was on the verge of buying it too.

Well, I can see why do you want to believe in the Iron Dome's success, then.
In any case, most of its funding is of foreign origin (e.g. US government), ans since it's clear "the product" needs improvements and their current funders have no vital interest in it, it'll need committed investors.

 

[janon]

Well, I can see why do you want to believe in the Iron Dome's success, then.
In any case, most of its funding is of foreign origin (e.g. US government), ans since it's clear "the product" needs improvements and their current funders have no vital interest in it, it'll need committed investors.

Except that India decided that it did not suit our needs. So if anything, I should be wanting to believe things against it.

The bigger point is that it is doing what it was meant to do - intercept low quality rockets fired into their small country. I'm not sure how the Iron dome can result in more Israeli casualties in any way - that doesn't make logical sense.

Anyway, if Hamas is so poor at rocketry that they have to fire several hundred rockets to kill one enemy, then they should get rid of their rockets and use bullets. It takes one bullet to kill one enemy, and it costs a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a rocket. (Some of the rockets they fired cost $10,000+.)

Are you saying that Hamas is so clueless and incompetent that they smuggle rockets from friendly nations into Gaza, but then waste all of them? Even the rockets used in WW2 caused plenty of casualties. People only move from a cheaper to a more expensive weapon if the latter provides more benefits. If hundreds of rockets are required to kill one enemy, they would simply stick to bullets, or even swords and knives.

Either they are as stupid as you imply, or Israel is doing something right to counter their rockets. Which is it?