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Israel will be held Accountable for Gaza Attack: Erdogan

I wish the leaders in the Muslim countries would either STFU or do something concrete. This is typical of Muslim leaders to make tall claims and then do nothing. Like the damn Saddam Hussein who was going to start the Mother of all Wars.

I believe we should do what Teddy Roosevelt once said. Speak softly but carry the big stick. If you don't have the big stick then stop speaking and making threats.

Otherwise you look like a clown. We have had our share of Clowns. No more Clowns , Please.
 
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^Turkey means business, you can be sure :)

But Erdogan is certainly a 'typical muslim leader'. Damn you should see Prime Minister Bülent Ecevit's speeches before the Turkish army invade Cyprus. Damn :lol:

The man never ever mentioned a military campaign.
 
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I wish Muslim countries would either STFU or do something concrete. This is typical of Muslim leaders to make tall claims and then do nothing. Like the damn Saddam Hussein who was going to start the Mother of all Wars.

I believe we should do what Teddy Roosevelt once said. Speak softly but carry the big stick. If you don't have the big stick then stop speaking and making threats.

Otherwise you look like a clown. We have had our share of Clowns. No more Clowns , Please.


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Morsi and Erdogan are clowns, not revolutionaries.
 
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Israel is taking advantage of the attention syria receives , who knows , it's possible even the syrian opposition fired into israel deliberately to give israel legitimacy to start the gaza campaign..
 
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Prime Minister Erdogan had done a commendable job in Turkey but talking for the sake of talking is not about to help anyone here. The Palestinians need practical, commonsensical help to build up their state. The only solution is to co-exist with Israel. To that end, Hamas needs to be discouraged from risking the lives of its people in a futile conflict with Israel & encouraged to be seen as a reasonable voice. The present government of Israel has earned a reputation of being extremely unreasonable & rigid but the Palestinians do only damage to their cause with this sort of foolishness. Israel now has both the chance of showing the Palestinians & Hamas its power (as if they needed a demonstration) as well as to be able to argue to the world that the Palestinians are terrorists & that therefore Israel's hardline policies against them are justified.

Stupid, real stupid.
 
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Israel now has both the chance of showing the Palestinians & Hamas its power (as if they needed a demonstration) as well as to be able to argue to the world that the Palestinians are terrorists & that therefore Israel's hardline policies against them are justified.

There has always been a low level tit-for-tat between Israel and the Palestinians, but the conflict was deliberately escalated (assassination of Hamas leader) by Israel for several reasons. Military conflict is an old tactic for Israeli governments to shore up patriotism just before elections (5 of 7 Israeli elections were preceded by IDF ops). Secondly, this is a slap in the face to Obama -- the timing, again, is significant -- to pressure the US to ratchet up its support for Israel. Finally, this is an attempt by Israel to shore up its victim image. Whenever facts about Israel start coming out and world public opinion shifts against Israel, the Israeli propaganda machine kicks into action.
 
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This term is also used for Another Ideological State Created by British just like Israel :p: :rofl:

The creation of Pakistan and Israel is NOT comparable.

Pakistan was created around people who were already living on the land; it was the end of Western colonialism.

Israel was created (mandated) first and the people shipped in afterwards; it is one of the last remaining outposts of Western colonialism.
 
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There has always been a low level tit-for-tat between Israel and the Palestinians, but the conflict was deliberately escalated (assassination of Hamas leader) by Israel for several reasons. Military conflict is an old tactic for Israeli governments to shore up patriotism just before elections (5 of 7 Israeli elections were preceded by IDF ops). Secondly, this is a slap in the face to Obama -- the timing, again, is significant -- to pressure the US to ratchet up its support for Israel. Finally, this is an attempt by Israel to shore up its victim image. Whenever facts about Israel start coming out and world public opinion shifts against Israel, the Israeli propaganda machine kicks into action.

I believe blame to be more equally proportioned (in this case) but even if we accept your point, it still is not a very smart move to take the bait & walk into a trap. The Palestinians stand to lose either way. Allowing Israel to move the argument elsewhere away from their government's cussed behaviour and hardening opinions both within Israel & the U.S. can hardly be called a master stroke.
 
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I believe blame to be more equally proportioned (in this case) but even if we accept your point, it still is not a very smart move to take the bait & walk into a trap. The Palestinians stand to lose either way. Allowing Israel to move the argument elsewhere away from their government's cussed behaviour and hardening opinions both within Israel & the U.S. can hardly be called a master stroke.

Nobody has ever accused Islamic hardliners of favoring brains over brawn.

Having said that, what could Hamas do? Any government would be forced to respond if a foreign entity committed brazen assassination of one of its officials within its territory.

Israel knows that it has unsurpassed advantage both in military and propaganda assets. Israel can get away with things that no one else can, including the US.
 
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Yasar Arafat tried to achieve truce with Israel, numerous times. Hot heads on both sides tried very hard to deny him that.

Palestinian cause was already lost with Arafat's death, all they can ever hope to achieve is to stop the bloodshed. Even a momentary ceasefire is acceptable.

All Hamas' ever achieved is to get more Palestinians killed and bring more destruction to Gaza that's why it's a true genuine terror organisation.

We will eventually establish military presence in Syria and create some serious deterrent that will keep Israel in check.
 
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Yaser arafat died in 2005 , the same way and same year as that bald russian dissent , one could wonder if both were done by israel
 
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A proper response from over reaction from Israel I mean you don`t use airforce against unarmed civilians on ground

A proper response from over reaction from Israel I mean you don`t use airforce against unarmed civilians on ground

Pakistan supports Turkish stance against overreaction and over agressive move
 
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I must say you look at the bigger picture.
I have never seen a more dumb people then the palestinians,instead of accepting the camp david and later agreements to have a own state and later do whatever to whome ever(they would have had a own state own military)they first divide in to fatah and hamas(fight each other)shoot''rockets''to israel in the hope of killing civilians and then expect the world to back them up?
I only feel bad for the innocent palestinian civilians who will die bcs of hamas(the modern taliban )
And Erdogan is just barking as usual(nothing he can and will do)to get the muslim world to say he a good muslim leader.
 
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israel life line is connected to its daddy america without america even india cant do anything about it

as soon as america is broken which is has started to happen, israel wont find his momma to protect to, and you know what will happen then :cry:


israel is sorrounded by muslim countries, what will you expect

it will be slow painful death of an artificial state


If you say muslim countries,it sounds like there is a unity.
You see it as a unity but believe me the arabs will never see you(Pakistan)and us(Turkey)as equals.
Not that i care but thats the reality.
 
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Not that i like Palestinians but israel needs to be dealt with, anyway. With hot headed morons like mahmod abbas leading it hamas will never achieve anything. Even "palestinians" the word sounds funny to my ears. They couldn't even unite under Arafat, what a "nation".

We have won our war of independence in a worse fvcked up situation against bigger and technologically superior enemies. Nothing is an excuse
 
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