Israel to test Arrow-3 interceptor by mid-2011

[FreekiN]

Just wait and see what happens.

Pakistan is located in the land of Khorasan, from where an army will emerge and will destroy Israel and Dajjal....

Army from khorasan, destroying Dajjal and Jews supporting him in the hadith mentioned in Tirmidhi Sharif and in Ahmed. So Israel will never want Pakistan and other countries in the area of Khorasan, that includes Iran, Afghanistan to get strong enough to be able to fight with them....

So you want it or not.. Pakistan will have to get involved in the conflict because it is the army from either Pakistan, Afghanistan or Iran, or all of these countries that will destroy Israel...

Please. This is a defence forum. We discuss facts and debate current affairs, not babble over mythical religions.

Pakistan is not in a logical position to make any unnecessary enemies. If anything, we should befriend Israel.

 

[Vajra_Yuddh]

1) Pakistan Nuclear Assets because now if you visit "Pakistan and Weapons of Mass destruction" page in Wikipedia, Pakistan is busy in building ICBM that will Insha Allah have the Range of 7500-8500 Km. So our Nuclear assets are the biggest threat to Israel...

Any proof that Pakistan is making an ICBM? These are only speculations that the analysis community estimates. Do you think that with so many countries right now around you with their intelligence agencies hawking inside your country, they will let you build an ICBM?

That's the same reason why we are not building one. In order not to create needles hostilities. Please bring a credible proof saying that you are making an ICBM.

Besides, what danger is there for you 7,500-8,500 km away? You still cannot hit anyone in the West; Europe will have its missile shield, US is already impenetrable, Russia is a fortress with S-300, S-400 and S-500 ABMs. Most of your military doctrine is India-centric which is already within your reach.

Making ICBMs will be your wish, but I think your government understands how important it is not to make one. It will be an end to:

1) Economic assistance
2) Development assistance
3) Military assistance
4) Even transfer of civilian hi-tech stuff.

When you have no threat that far away, why waste your already limited resources in making one?

 

[500]

It still exists as a region? where?

Right Here. In fact term "Palestine" is Western-Zionist. Arabs called it Suriya al-Janubiya i.e. Southern Syria.

and Israel was never a state before 1948 so your point is?

No, Israel was a state before 1948. And if you count all Jewish states in this land then there were 3 Jewish states before current Israel.

fact is that a piece of real estate called Palestine inhabited by an indigenous people was overrun by foreign settlers from Europe who occupied it and now calls it Israel. That's enough for me.

Today in Palestine live 12 times more Arabs than when European settlers arrived. And their life standards are higher then of their neighbours.

First Palestinian roots are older than the arab conquest of Palestine and span all the way back to the Canaanites.

First Palestinians, ie. Philistimes were Greek sea people who invaded it in 1st millenium BC. But today Palestinians are not Greek, they are mix of Arab migrants from different countries. Yasser Arafat, father of Fatah was born in Egypt and Sheikh Kassam, who is considered a spirital father of Hamas was born in Syria.

Fact is that jews are the people that have had least control and say in the lands history. For instance Arabs/muslims have controlled Palestine for 1400 years, the claimed jewish kingdom of Solomon lasted how much 73 years?

Israelite conquered most of Holy Land in 1200 BC and their kingdom was destroyed in 586 BC. Independent Hasmonean kindgom lasted for 100 years and another 100 years as Roman protectorate. Thats over 800 years total. Arab conquest started in 636 AD and already in 878 AD they losty control to Turkic Tulunids. If add 100 years of Fatimid rule that gives total less than 350 years of Arab rule. So even Southern Spain was much longer Arab than Palestine.

Don't mix things op, and decide what you want to say. Arabs attacked jews and vice versa in their local areas as the partition plan was not into effect at that time, difference is that arabs did not take over any new territory and was in defence.

1) Partition plan was declared in November 1947 and supposed to come into effect in May 1948.
2) Jews accepted this plan, Arabs rejected and began their attacks.
3) Arab attacks reached peak in March 1948. By that time Jerusalem, the largest Jewish city with 100,000 Jewish population was completely isolated.
4) Thats why Jews started their first major offensive campaign in April 1948.
5) Offensive was successful, but still, by May 1948 Jews controled less than half of territory which was supposed to be their according to partition plan:

6) Then Arab armies invaded and bigger mess began.

Outside arab involvement was as mentioned was mainly after the declaration of independence by Israel.

There was "Army of Salvation" lef by Fawqi al Kawukji and many volunteers.

No it's not about greed, it's about taking back what was not yours to take.
And please don't talk about that greed, as Israhell has illegally annexed and occupied land that makes it 110% larger than was given to it in the partition plan and still doesn't want peace. Even when asked to give back some of the land occupied.

According to Partition Plan Israel was about 13,000 km2 (1.3% of Egypt) as result of the 1948 war it grew to 20,000 km2 (2% of Egypt).

You obviously don't know anything about US aid to Israel. Watch the video and learn.

I prefer official doccuments rather than youtube videos

For example in 2008 total US aid was 49,057 mln
Aid to Middle East and North Africa (Arab states + Israel) - 13,957 mln
Aid to Israel - 2425 mln

http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PNADR900.pdf

That means Arabs got 4.8 times more aid than Israel.

 

[rameez ahmed]

Please. This is a defence forum. We discuss facts and debate current affairs, not babble over mythical religions.

Pakistan is not in a logical position to make any unnecessary enemies. If anything, we should befriend Israel.

please Be clear that this is not a myth.. It will come true because it is the Hadith of Holy Prophet (SA) .. When he have said that, then whether Pakistan is in the position or not, this thing will happen Insha Allah..

This is going to happen and its very near. Probably in the next fifty year. Allah knows best when it will happen but it will happen for sure...

Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan are the only Countries that will destroy the terrorist State of Israel... Please remember that.

 

[rameez ahmed]

Any proof that Pakistan is making an ICBM? These are only speculations that the analysis community estimates. Do you think that with so many countries right now around you with their intelligence agencies hawking inside your country, they will let you build an ICBM?

That's the same reason why we are not building one. In order not to create needles hostilities. Please bring a credible proof saying that you are making an ICBM.

Besides, what danger is there for you 7,500-8,500 km away? You still cannot hit anyone in the West; Europe will have its missile shield, US is already impenetrable, Russia is a fortress with S-300, S-400 and S-500 ABMs. Most of your military doctrine is India-centric which is already within your reach.

Making ICBMs will be your wish, but I think your government understands how important it is not to make one. It will be an end to:

1) Economic assistance
2) Development assistance
3) Military assistance
4) Even transfer of civilian hi-tech stuff.

When you have no threat that far away, why waste your already limited resources in making one?

I saw this on Wikipedia. I have no other reference to it. Yes I may be wrong about it but I don't think Wikipedia will state any info without evidence. the link is below . you can see it....

Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[500]

please Be clear that this is not a myth.. It will come true because it is the Hadith of Holy Prophet (SA) .. When he have said that, then whether Pakistan is in the position or not, this thing will happen Insha Allah..

This is going to happen and its very near. Probably in the next fifty year. Allah knows best when it will happen but it will happen for sure...

Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan are the only Countries that will destroy the terrorist State of Israel... Please remember that.

I affraid we wont come to agreement here. Lets wait when Jesus returns and ask him for judgement.

 

[FreekiN]

please Be clear that this is not a myth.. It will come true because it is the Hadith of Holy Prophet (SA) .. When he have said that, then whether Pakistan is in the position or not, this thing will happen Insha Allah..

This is going to happen and its very near. Probably in the next fifty year. Allah knows best when it will happen but it will happen for sure...

Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan are the only Countries that will destroy the terrorist State of Israel... Please remember that.

Did you join this website to spread this nonsense?

 

[!!craft!!]

I saw this on Wikipedia. I have no other reference to it. Yes I may be wrong about it but I don't think Wikipedia will state any info without evidence. the link is below . you can see it....

Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dude please relax .. try to understand Freekins point of view.. . but this aint the place to discuss religion .. please stick to facts or there will be other creatures emerging from here called trollers please do not misinterpret holy quran to make your point. Islam never teaches aggression .you a re making a laughing stock of our religion...hope you understand

 

[cabatli_53]

@500

Is there any 3D or prototipe picture of Arrow-3 or It is an upgraded version of older Arrow series ? What is the contribution of Raytheon with it ? As far as I know, Raytheon has also included into development of this system...

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

We Indians should start thinking of an Indian name for it

Thats not required.

US did not allow Israel to sell the Arrow 2 missiles to India.

I doubt US will change its stance now considering both are competitors for Indian defence market.

 

[!!craft!!]

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@500

Is there any 3D or prototipe picture of Arrow-3 or It is an upgraded version of older Arrow series ? What is the contribution of Raytheon with it ? As far as I know, Raytheon has also included into development of this system...

video link
Israel News - US & Israel To Develop Modern Arrow 3 Missile Defense System To Counter Regional Threats | Infolive.tv

 

[laiqs@mi]

Did you join this website to spread this nonsense?

He is not spreading nonsence you are A nonsense.
He is quoting Hadith and you are arguing. may be you are not a muslim IF .. then mind your own business..
and this is a defence forum and we have seen fashion and other threads as well so shut your mouth ...

 

[laiqs@mi]

On the authority of Thawbaan (May Allah be pleased with him), the Messenger of Allah said:
"If you see the Black Banners coming from Khurasan go to them immediately, even if you must crawl over ice, because indeed amongst them is the Caliph, Al Mahdi." [Narrated on authority of Ibn Majah, Al-Hakim, Ahmad]

Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "(Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khurasaan.No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Baitul Maqdas - Jerusalem) where they will erect their flags."

Sahih Muslim Hadith 7034 Narrated by Anas ibn Malik
Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls

 

[500]

@500

Is there any 3D or prototipe picture of Arrow-3 or It is an upgraded version of older Arrow series ? What is the contribution of Raytheon with it ? As far as I know, Raytheon has also included into development of this system...

Here is 3D:

Arrow-3 is developed by IAI in cooperation with Boeing. Basically Arrow-3 should do the job of SM-3 but it will be much cheaper.

RAFAEL together with Raytheon are developing lower layer defence missile David's Sling aka Stunner.

David's Sling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cabatli_53]

Here is 3D:

YouTube - Arrow 3 Demo

Arrow-3 is developed by IAI in cooperation with Boeing. Basically Arrow-3 should do the job of SM-3 but it will be much cheaper.

RAFAEL together with Raytheon are developing lower layer defence missile David's Sling aka Stunner.

David's Sling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Great capability indeed. Low and Medium altitude missiles are Ok but Long range interceptors are something like a new World to discover in terms of air defence missile technologies. Their working mechanizm is totally different than lower range equivalents.

At first look, Arrow-3 missile looks a littile bit bulky than THAAD and SM-3. Do you know the reason of it ?